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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:28 PM
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2.4 SS v. 03-04 Civis Si v. MazdaSpeed Protege'

I went out huntin the other night (Saturday night)..nice cool weather, 1/4 tank of gas windows down re-loading the 80s and enjoying the weather. I was lookin for something to peak my interest and help me waste this last 1/4 tank of gas.

Well it took a little while of cruising around, but I eventually happened upon a 03-04 Civic Si and a MazdaSpeed Protege with what sounded like both had exhausts. They obviously knew each other and were runing down 70 West near New Stanton. I jumped in behind them, cut off the driving lights and stayed back as they played accelerate and slow games with each other oblivious to the fact that I was there.

Finally as traffic cleared, open highway was before us. I clicked on the driving lights (as a little "it aint no ordinary Cobalt" battle sign ) and swooped in for a little rumble. I ran up on the civic, the driver bailed over to the right lane and let me pass. I layed some wood to it so he could hear I was in the mood to tango and the Injen CAI off the Jersey barrier got his attention as I blew past the Mazdaspeed then civic respectively. They fanned out behind me as if to check with one another and confirm ..."yep that sucky ass Cobalt guy just did a fly by on US..?"

One one thousand...two one thousand..ta dah...Yep here they come. So the civic comes up first, slows beside me and his passenger leans out and shakes his head and yells "Dude your car is &@$*&$" I say yeah probably so... but it's faster than that "Japanese Suppository...!!" His face shrinks into bitter beer face ..he ducks back in the window...and the civic driver nails it. I am waiting in 3rd and punch it also. He momentarily makes alittle bit of a fender lead and then I come charging right on by into 4th and all the way through and into 5th. By then I had about 4-5 car lengths in front.

The MazdaSpeed was right behind us... so me thinks...hmmm this might be good. I tap the brakes and all three of us slow. The civic now jumps in behind me and the Mazdaspeed comes up for a swing. He both look over ( he looks SO serious..I almost giggle) But he honks three times and we're off. Neck and neck until about top of 4th then I start walking. Did I mention I LOVE the VECTOR ECM..!! The top end is getting stronger day by day. Seems like the cool weather and ECM really helps the car on the top end and this is only the 3rd time I've driven it since it went in.... By 5th I have a car on him and he gives up.

We exchange and he slows to draw along side civic boy.. I turn off make a u'ey and head home listenen to 80s.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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nice kills man. These 2.4 guys need to get that vector tune they are crazy not too. It really wakes the car up.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:57 PM
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nice kills man. These 2.4 guys need to get that vector tune they are crazy not too. It really wakes the car up.

Wakes it up like a quadruple espresso vodka shot with a twist of RedBull.
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 10:58 PM
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Wakes it up like a quadruple espresso vodka shot with a twist of RedBull.

wow... i need one of those then! lol how much are they
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Old Apr 16, 2006 | 11:46 PM
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Nice kills! My friend with an 04 si is gonna be pissed when I show him this! haha, good job.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 12:48 AM
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good race and very entertaining
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 12:58 AM
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heh, the last Mazda Speed Protege I raced was midly boosted with three pages long of things he has done to the car, he said he beats Cobalts all the time, I told him to prove it at the light. Needless to say that I put 4 cars on him by the time the race was over and his face was priceless. He goes what do you have done to that thing? I said in my reply "Bone Stock" (I was at that time) and he was so sad. I then proceed to ask him what model is raced because he said none of them had the kind of spoiler I have and told me a few sedans and a LS Coupe
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:03 AM
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Nice!
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:05 AM
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yeah so im gonna have to call BS
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
yeah so im gonna have to call BS
why? they are rated stock for stock to have the same crank HP & wheel HP... if the protege only had exhaust and this guy had a vector tune it's VERY believable. Most Mazada Speed Proteges only ran a mid to high 15 anyways. What makes it NOT believeable? The fact one is turbocharged and the other is N/A?

The Mazdaspeed was the worst Turbocharged car ever designed by Mazda. Need some lookup you can find it here http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123630321 can't even handle more then 10PSI (4 more over stock) without blowing a hole in the motor or dying. What is amusing is reading about BrianMP5T on the thread of his same fate. Because of the poor design stock they are only limited to 6 1/2 lbs of boost on a 2.0 motor which is lucky to hit over 100whp on motor. The other 70whp comes from the boost hence it making 170HP.

Get your facts right... there is 05-06 N/A 2.4 SS's that run low 15's ... Mazdaspeed got owned by a better driver and car.

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdaspeedprotege.html

MazdaSpeed Protege 03-04 Models

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 1,991 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - unknown
highway - unknown

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent twin trapezoidal link
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 170 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque : 155 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm

Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 6.9 sec.
0-ź mile : 15.4 sec @ 91.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.89 g

Curb Weight : 2844 lbs
Overall length : 174.6 in.
Wheelbase : 102.8 in.
Overall Width : 67.1 in.
Height : 55.3 in.

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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 01:44 AM
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You go out hunting for races in Greensburg......and you find them....WTF

i do that all the time, and can't find ****! Let me know when your going "hunting" and i'll tag along, I never get lucky enough to find good races
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 07:32 AM
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i was talking about the si
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
i was talking about the si
Well the SI isn't any better. It's a high 15 second car. I believe the lengths that were placed on it. the damn thing ain't no torque monster and for it to take 8 seconds to do a 0-60 that's pretty bad...
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
i was talking about the si

bwahahhhahah. You would you Honda guys... . Ever driven one? Its not fast dude. Not like your RSX. Really it was a fair run and he simply lost. No punch in that car what so ever. I started pulling from the moment I floored mine. Sorry you have to CALL BS ..but I guess I can't make you believe it.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by fastSS06
You go out hunting for races in Greensburg......and you find them....WTF

i do that all the time, and can't find ****! Let me know when your going "hunting" and i'll tag along, I never get lucky enough to find good races

It takes a while Dave. But you eventually find something...
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sneaky
why? they are rated stock for stock to have the same crank HP & wheel HP... if the protege only had exhaust and this guy had a vector tune it's VERY believable. Most Mazada Speed Proteges only ran a mid to high 15 anyways. What makes it NOT believeable? The fact one is turbocharged and the other is N/A?

The Mazdaspeed was the worst Turbocharged car ever designed by Mazda. Need some lookup you can find it here http://www.msprotege.com/forum/showt...hp?t=123630321 can't even handle more then 10PSI (4 more over stock) without blowing a hole in the motor or dying. What is amusing is reading about BrianMP5T on the thread of his same fate. Because of the poor design stock they are only limited to 6 1/2 lbs of boost on a 2.0 motor which is lucky to hit over 100whp on motor. The other 70whp comes from the boost hence it making 170HP.

Get your facts right... there is 05-06 N/A 2.4 SS's that run low 15's ... Mazdaspeed got owned by a better driver and car.

http://www.modernracer.com/mazdaspeedprotege.html

MazdaSpeed Protege 03-04 Models

Engine : 4 cylinder, turbocharged, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 1,991 cc
Valve : 16 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual
Fuel economy : city - unknown
highway - unknown

Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson strut
R - Independent twin trapezoidal link
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs

Horsepower : 170 hp @ 5500 rpm
Torque : 155 lb-ft @ 4500 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm

Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 6.9 sec.
0-ź mile : 15.4 sec @ 91.0 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.89 g

Curb Weight : 2844 lbs
Overall length : 174.6 in.
Wheelbase : 102.8 in.
Overall Width : 67.1 in.
Height : 55.3 in.
so your assumption is that you cant run more than 10 pounds on a stock block protege...thats why they make reflashes and intercooler kits for the miata and protege...to net them an easy 240whp...

hah the ss/sc makes 205 rated crank hp on a maxed out m62....think about it...i make more hp on vacuum
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
so your assumption is that you cant run more than 10 pounds on a stock block protege...thats why they make reflashes and intercooler kits for the miata and protege...to net them an easy 240whp...

hah the ss/sc makes 205 rated crank hp on a maxed out m62....think about it...i make more hp on vacuum

I am pretty sure I was there when a stage 3 intense kit dynoed 275 whp and 275 torque

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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by fastSS06
You go out hunting for races in Greensburg......and you find them....WTF

i do that all the time, and can't find ****! Let me know when your going "hunting" and i'll tag along, I never get lucky enough to find good races
Not that my 2.4 is anything special... but I'd be up for looking around any time you wanna cruise around Greensburg. Hit me up on aim when you wanna go around sometime... ppazz13.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
hah the ss/sc makes 205 rated crank hp on a maxed out m62....think about it...i make more hp on vacuum
Here we go again, I'll be right back with the popcorn...
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
so your assumption is that you cant run more than 10 pounds on a stock block protege...thats why they make reflashes and intercooler kits for the miata and protege...to net them an easy 240whp...

hah the ss/sc makes 205 rated crank hp on a maxed out m62....think about it...i make more hp on vacuum
Have you even seen the 20+ stock dyno charts proving the cars make arond 210 TO THE WHEELS STOCK

And this MAXED out M62 People Have run 2.6" pullies @18-20lbs of boost.

So yea don't make a remark about our cars unless you do a little research before hand.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
so your assumption is that you cant run more than 10 pounds on a stock block protege...thats why they make reflashes and intercooler kits for the miata and protege...to net them an easy 240whp...

hah the ss/sc makes 205 rated crank hp on a maxed out m62....think about it...i make more hp on vacuum
um people are breaking **** at 10PSI on a crap motor before something goes.. notice there is only a few people running more then that it's because they spent the coinage to go to 240whp + so **** doesn't break, seems most of them are scared to run more then 10 PSI because they know what is going to happen, again who cares.

who cares if you can run that same HP as we do in your RSX, you have to wind up that rubber band to about 8-9k to get peak power where we only have to do it at 3k less. It's a car, not a god damn crotch rocket.

That's like the other day some clown on woodward goes "OH yeah? My RSX Type S can go 9k"

I told him ya that's nice.... I can spool quicker and be ahead of you every gear of the way by the time you make ample power in every gear.

Yes Siiiiiiiiiiiiir, VTAK right here at it's finest! Nothing better then going at mach speed at 9k of revving power. All HP no torque. It's no wonder the race is already determined from a dig before I hit 2nd gear.
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by korax123
Have you even seen the 20+ stock dyno charts proving the cars make arond 210 TO THE WHEELS STOCK

And this MAXED out M62 People Have run 2.6" pullies @18-20lbs of boost.

So yea don't make a remark about our cars unless you do a little research before hand.
m62 cannot push 18-20 pounds of boost...thats m90 terrirtory...only way you could is if you maxed out the blower and ran stock intake/exhaust/raceheader ...even then you might see 15 pounds
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Old Apr 17, 2006 | 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sneaky
um people are breaking **** at 10PSI on a crap motor before something goes.. notice there is only a few people running more then that it's because they spent the coinage to go to 240whp + so **** doesn't break, seems most of them are scared to run more then 10 PSI because they know what is going to happen, again who cares.

who cares if you can run that same HP as we do in your RSX, you have to wind up that rubber band to about 8-9k to get peak power where we only have to do it at 3k less. It's a car, not a god damn crotch rocket.

That's like the other day some clown on woodward goes "OH yeah? My RSX Type S can go 9k"

I told him ya that's nice.... I can spool quicker and be ahead of you every gear of the way by the time you make ample power in every gear.

Yes Siiiiiiiiiiiiir, VTAK right here at it's finest! Nothing better then going at mach speed at 9k of revving power. All HP no torque. It's no wonder the race is already determined from a dig before I hit 2nd gear.
its amazing how these torqueless monsters get better 1/4 times than you...on street tires...
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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 09:52 PM
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i think import tuners (such as the RSX community) are upset because, not only do our cars perform better, but their girlfriends prefer the backseat of our cobalts over the RSX's

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Old Apr 24, 2006 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FastFrontier17
yeah so im gonna have to call BS
Well what do you know, look at the car in your sig...

THe 03-04 Civic Si's are only 160HP, and some extremely pathetic amount of torque. The 2.4 SS is 170HP stock, so with the ECU upgrade, it could easily destroy an Si, just as GTP did. Most Si's can only run high 15's stock anyway, you could probably hang with one with just a 2.2 Cobalt with I/E.

I guess Hondas can't lose though because they have VTAK bitches!!!!
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