Cobalt LT vs Rx-8
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An rx8 with no torque murders a Mustang GT around a road course. Not only that, but they're capable of mid 14 second 1/4 mile times. I could list 10 cars off the top of my head that make TWICE the torque of an RX8 and run slower times.
Sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with people who have the thought process of a kindergardener. Those numbers were representation of peak tq with a typical power curve for those given numbers.
Car B slaughters the **** out of Car A because it makes TWICE as much POWER with FOUR TIMES less TORQUE.
Where was all the torque in that race?!?
Sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with people who have the thought process of a kindergardener. Those numbers were representation of peak tq with a typical power curve for those given numbers.
Car B slaughters the **** out of Car A because it makes TWICE as much POWER with FOUR TIMES less TORQUE.
Where was all the torque in that race?!?
.... i am going to have to agree with him on this one with respect to the rx8 being a shitbox in the acceleration performance department... the car makes little to no torque... which is why it isn't that quick compared to alot of other cars... it makes it's power too late in the power band... and yes torque is what gets the car going... mathematically they are inversely proportional yes... .. and well the rx8 beating other cars with more torque on a road coarse has more factors involved like how heavy it is... it's weight distribution... suspension... tires... , driver skill, method of driving the axels and etc. and it murders a mustang GT because a mustang GT is a POS with a solid rear axel and handles like a sack of potatoes... there is exceptions to every statement of course and more torque than HP doesn't always mean faster and you do make some good points ... but again in the end the lack of torque is what makes that rx8 a POS in the acceleration department and any review you read on this car will state that. also keep in mind that a car with less torque could have less traction issues which means it gives it a bit of an advantage given it's disadvantage in the torque department...but again it's all relative to the application and the setup of the vehicle being used.... that being said... torque and HP are dependant on each other... you can't have one without the other... and again the ratio of HP to torque is depedant on the application intended. If they wanted the RX* to be an awesome car from every standpoint they should have found a way to produce more torque without needing the 9,000rpm redline to do it because by the time you hit that... the race is over.
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An rx8 with no torque murders a Mustang GT around a road course. Not only that, but they're capable of mid 14 second 1/4 mile times. I could list 10 cars off the top of my head that make TWICE the torque of an RX8 and run slower times.
Sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with people who have the thought process of a kindergardener. Those numbers were representation of peak tq with a typical power curve for those given numbers.
Car B slaughters the **** out of Car A because it makes TWICE as much POWER with FOUR TIMES less TORQUE.
Where was all the torque in that race?!?
Sorry I didn't realize I was dealing with people who have the thought process of a kindergardener. Those numbers were representation of peak tq with a typical power curve for those given numbers.
Car B slaughters the **** out of Car A because it makes TWICE as much POWER with FOUR TIMES less TORQUE.
Where was all the torque in that race?!?
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The RX8 will still beat a **** load of cars with twice as much torque in a straight line.
It's possible to have a car that makes 1,000 lb/ft of tq be slower than a car that makes 100 lb/ft.
Is it possible to have a car that makes 1,000 hp be slower than a car that makes 100hp?
It's possible to have a car that makes 1,000 lb/ft of tq be slower than a car that makes 100 lb/ft.
Is it possible to have a car that makes 1,000 hp be slower than a car that makes 100hp?
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The RX8 will still beat a **** load of cars with twice as much torque in a straight line.
It's possible to have a car that makes 1,000 lb/ft of tq be slower than a car that makes 100 lb/ft.
Is it possible to have a car that makes 1,000 hp be slower than a car that makes 100hp?
It's possible to have a car that makes 1,000 lb/ft of tq be slower than a car that makes 100 lb/ft.
Is it possible to have a car that makes 1,000 hp be slower than a car that makes 100hp?
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You can't move a car without powaaaa.
If applied to bikes, Harleys would smoke liter bikes in the 1/4 mile because they have more torrrrrrrrqueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Isn't the old value on measuring how one car will do vs another car HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT and not tq to weight? **** if we did tq to weight a cummings turbo diesel would slaughter a Zr1!
If applied to bikes, Harleys would smoke liter bikes in the 1/4 mile because they have more torrrrrrrrqueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Isn't the old value on measuring how one car will do vs another car HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT and not tq to weight? **** if we did tq to weight a cummings turbo diesel would slaughter a Zr1!
The RX8 wasn't made to go fast in a straight line. I almost bought one, When I drove it didn't seem all that gutless it wasn't an auto and was actually pretty quick granted not as quick as my car. I kinda wish I woulda bought it. Very nice ride IMO.
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thats reatarded...clearly by the calculation CAR B will have a higher HP output because of RPM......but at the same time its a terrible statement...because measuring torque at 2 different rpm pts doesn't mean ****...
what if car A can have an RPM of 10k as well what is its TQ value?
how quickly does a cars power drop off? power numbers don't mean ****...you need a whole sheet to get a better idea and thats why you have HP and TQ
if you are saying that those are MAX torque values of the car...which a car that makes max torque ***AFTER 5252 rpm is just wrong because it drops of as RPM increases...
TQ makes you go
HP keeps your going
***Torque curves and HP curse CROSS at 5252...so that means TQ has to be higher before 5252 and lower after than the HP curve
what if car A can have an RPM of 10k as well what is its TQ value?
how quickly does a cars power drop off? power numbers don't mean ****...you need a whole sheet to get a better idea and thats why you have HP and TQ
if you are saying that those are MAX torque values of the car...which a car that makes max torque ***AFTER 5252 rpm is just wrong because it drops of as RPM increases...
TQ makes you go
HP keeps your going
***Torque curves and HP curse CROSS at 5252...so that means TQ has to be higher before 5252 and lower after than the HP curve
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thats reatarded...clearly by the calculation CAR B will have a higher HP output because of RPM......but at the same time its a terrible statement...because measuring torque at 2 different rpm pts doesn't mean ****...
what if car A can have an RPM of 10k as well what is its TQ value?
how quickly does a cars power drop off? power numbers don't mean ****...you need a whole sheet to get a better idea and thats why you have HP and TQ
if you are saying that those are MAX torque values of the car...which a car that makes max torque ***AFTER 5252 rpm is just wrong because it drops of as RPM increases...
TQ makes you go
HP keeps your going
***Torque curves and HP curse CROSS at 5252...so that means TQ has to be higher before 5252 and lower after than the HP curve
what if car A can have an RPM of 10k as well what is its TQ value?
how quickly does a cars power drop off? power numbers don't mean ****...you need a whole sheet to get a better idea and thats why you have HP and TQ
if you are saying that those are MAX torque values of the car...which a car that makes max torque ***AFTER 5252 rpm is just wrong because it drops of as RPM increases...
TQ makes you go
HP keeps your going
***Torque curves and HP curse CROSS at 5252...so that means TQ has to be higher before 5252 and lower after than the HP curve
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You can't move a car without powaaaa.
If applied to bikes, Harleys would smoke liter bikes in the 1/4 mile because they have more torrrrrrrrqueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Isn't the old value on measuring how one car will do vs another car HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT and not tq to weight? **** if we did tq to weight a cummings turbo diesel would slaughter a Zr1!
If applied to bikes, Harleys would smoke liter bikes in the 1/4 mile because they have more torrrrrrrrqueeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Isn't the old value on measuring how one car will do vs another car HORSEPOWER TO WEIGHT and not tq to weight? **** if we did tq to weight a cummings turbo diesel would slaughter a Zr1!
but again...to make power you need torque...
but then again it all goes to engine performance...how quick does the torque die off how high do you rev the engine, because i don't think harleys rev to 10-12k like a sport bike(i know nothign about bikes, but that is my assumption)
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yes you are correct here...
but again...to make power you need torque...
but then again it all goes to engine performance...how quick does the torque die off how high do you rev the engine, because i don't think harleys rev to 10-12k like a sport bike(i know nothign about bikes, but that is my assumption)
but again...to make power you need torque...
but then again it all goes to engine performance...how quick does the torque die off how high do you rev the engine, because i don't think harleys rev to 10-12k like a sport bike(i know nothign about bikes, but that is my assumption)
But, but but, "torque wins races".
Now who do you agree with?
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Thanks!
I guess we both need to keep telling ourselves that we know more than Carrol Shelby, or was it Enzo Ferarri who said it?
Bah who cares! It's wrong! ahhahaha
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Mathematically speaking neither exist without the other. You can rearrange the equation to prove that either can't exist without the other. But what it all comes down to is the other factors... what type of car it's in... if it's in a heavy car torque is the main concern to get the weight going... if it's a light car then torque isn't needed as much. either way you can make a car with less torque or more torque faster or slower than the other car by changing outside factors. it's mathematically impossible to say that one is better than the other because they again both depend on each other and are directly proportional. EG power drill... you need torque for that tight screw and can't do it with high rpm's so you adjust it with the torque settings on it which changes the gear ratios giving it an advantage... and so it's slower... but high rpms can screw something in alot faster but only if it is physically able to.... so as you can see it is dependant on the application... one can screw something in faster than the other but only if the outside factors allow the other one to do so.
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Mathematically speaking neither exist without the other. You can rearrange the equation to prove that either can't exist without the other. But what it all comes down to is the other factors... what type of car it's in... if it's in a heavy car torque is the main concern to get the weight going... if it's a light car then torque isn't needed as much. either way you can make a car with less torque or more torque faster or slower than the other car by changing outside factors. it's mathematically impossible to say that one is better than the other because they again both depend on each other and are inversely proportional. EG power drill... you need torque for that tight screw and can't do it with high rpm's so you adjust it with the torque settings on it... and so it's slower... but high rpms can screw something in alot faster but only if it is physically able to.... so as you can see it is dependant on the application... one can screw something in faster than the other but only if the outside factors give the other one the advantage.
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Mathematically speaking neither exist without the other. You can rearrange the equation to prove that either can't exist without the other. But what it all comes down to is the other factors... what type of car it's in... if it's in a heavy car torque is the main concern to get the weight going... if it's a light car then torque isn't needed as much. either way you can make a car with less torque or more torque faster or slower than the other car by changing outside factors. it's mathematically impossible to say that one is better than the other because they again both depend on each other and are inversely proportional. EG power drill... you need torque for that tight screw and can't do it with high rpm's so you adjust it with the torque settings on it which changes the gear ratios giving it an advantage... and so it's slower... but high rpms can screw something in alot faster but only if it is physically able to.... so as you can see it is dependant on the application... one can screw something in faster than the other but only if the outside factors allow the other one to do so.
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Two cars, geared appriopriately, same weight, same consistant curves reletive to their power.
Car A: 200hp 400tq
Car B: 400hp 200tq
Car B is making twice as much power, with half the tq. It's going to murder car A.
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