06SS/SC

Regular Calibers, just like regular Cobalts, are terribly ugly! CSRT's look pretty nice, just like SS/SC's and TC's. IMO

Southtown57

Yeah I have to agree regular cobalts are not the greatest either. I think I just don't like the whole hatch concept. I have never been a fan of the Mazdaspeeds because they are a hatch too. Performance wise the CSRT-4 rapes though.

FutureEcotecOwner

LMFAO at all of these "FORMER" SS/SC owners hating on the new and improved SS/TC, and saying their precious little CSRT-4's are so much greater. How much money goes into making a CSRT-4 run 10's, and make over 500whp? A stage 1 CSRT-4 is running 12's, a tune only SS/TC can run that with the right driver. If you wanna debate some **** like this go over to your precious CSRT-4 website and talk about it.

ChriSS/SC

Here's my race with one.. It's towards the end..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ_9JioyjxM

drew1991sf

i already posted the race chris lol
see page 1

drewbroo

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I Know all the SRT fanboi's are hating, but you are 100% accurate.

SRT4 with a tune only VS SS/TC with tune only SS/TC>SRT4
Also how much power are the SRT4 guys making with the stock turbo? Stock intercooler? And without a Clamp?

Now for ultimate power, the Non DI vehicle will not win out until they figure out what to do with the fueling issues. (Even though someone just posted up that hahn just helped a turbo swapped SS/TC to 405+WHP)

And all around the minivan will lose if a corner presents itself. If I wanted a fast straight line car, I would get a goat or a SC/Cobra. Dodge is also crap for reliability. I saw a new challenger SRT8 in a parking lot the other day waiting on a tow because his ignition decided not to work.

Dodge does not believe in making a great all around car other than the ACR models. (And the viper) They just produce a turd and put a shitton of horsepower behind it. In the end its just a fast turd, that looks like a turd.

berto

exactly
i like the neon body

RuSSo-29

Lol tho's of us that own them know that sexying isn't always fast.

I'd agree about dodge not being the best but you say it cuz a car needed a new ignition? lol

I owned a SS/SC, and have driven the SS/TC.... and I loved the **** outta my Cobalt. Had I not crashed it i'd still have/love it today. The best thing about it was the handle on it. Total and complete confidance in the tunrs more so from what I saw then the 350's would inspire in there drivers...

With that said....

PPL have needs.... I needed space in the trunk / backseat and i'm not sure if you guys noticed, thats one of the cobalt's major fails. The opening for the cobalt can't fit **** in it. And the back seat... ha! I wouldn't put my Mother in law back there! The CSRT has a TON of trunk space and a super huge backseat. So as an everyday car its much more simple for me to have it then a Cobalt.

And the base models of both the cars suck! I wouldn;t own either one of them in base form. However in SS/SRT trip both have good power. And when you look at the aftermarket for both cars there really isn't a good way to compair them... SS's can go get a tune and call it a day. CSRT's don;t have any "Tune". They have to go FIC. And if you were to look at the HP levels ppl can get with both cars its no question the CSRT can make more power! I'll take the power with a bunch of trunk/backseat space anyday.

And as for looks, I know the CSRT isn;t for everyone, THATS ANOTHER REASON MOST OF THE CSRT GUYS GOT THEM. I have seen just 1 other CSRT since I bought mine, and a few other SS's.... there not for everyone and thats part of the cool of it.

There should be no question the Cobalt would out handle the ***** of this car but str8 line would be a differnet story. Once again, ppl buy cars for more then just power... Like the fact I can fit 5 ppl in my car and still throw some **** in the trunk to drive down the shore with.

1BADSS/SC

About 3k. Not joking either.

19k, and running strong. Not ONE problem. My LSJ was in and out of the shop countless times by this milage. Not to mention both my parents cadillacs are always breaking. How can GM justify their high end "luxury" models being ****? They cant, their cars are garbage. Ford and Dodge FTW. GM FTL.

Hell, even when I had my crappy 94 escort with 140,000 miles on it, it went into the shop for something major ( head gasket resurfaced ) only once in the 40,000 miles I drove it. I sold it for $300 @ 180,000 miles. My parents blazer and suburban were in and out of the shop numerous times. I used to make fun of them all the time because they thought Ford was crap.

so, out of the 5 GM cars we all have had, all of them were problematic. out of the 3 Fords, and 1 dodge Ive had, the GM I owned was still in the shop more than all those vehicles combined. Thats just sad.

crypticscifer

Wait young grasshopper

drewbroo

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it costs much more than 3K to get a CSRT4 into the 10's. You may spout off your statistics, but here is an example. My car (SS/TC) 19K miles, not in the shop once. My friend who has a Magnum SRT8, just had 4K worth of work done not covered by his warranty at 36,612 miles. Not to mention it was parts he had replaced under warranty 10K miles ago.

My VW service managers Charger RT. Everything that was not merc built is literally falling apart on the thing. Not to mention the shitty gas mileage all dodges get. The NSRT4 was acceptable, but the CSRT4 is not a very good replacement. They should have waited, and just did the avenger SRT4.

If you needed for space then you should have got a used Jeep SRT8, they handle just as good, and have more space. I had a calibur sxt one day as a rental, and it was the biggest peice of junk I have ever driven. Also was getting 23-25MPG on the Hwy with its shitty CVT transmission that felt like crap.

If you want to see praises on your turbo'd turdbox, go over to the SRT forums.

1BADSS/SC

How would you know? Should I list the parts and prices?

RT stage 2: $1700
CAI: $100
Catless DP: $290
Wideband: $250
Aero: $225
Intercooler: $500

And there you have it. All the parts needed to have a 10's capable car that traps 130 mph.

OK. So I point out 5 GM cars that fail, and u point out 2 dodge cars. Seems Dodge and Ford still have a +3 score. Hmmm.

You cant compare a regular caliber to the CSRT. The CSRT is a completely different car in every way, shape and form. In fact, the only similarities are the exterior looks, and thats about it. Obviously u dont have a clue what youre talking about, so I GUESS Im not surprised that what youre spouting off is completely inaccurate. That would be like saying the TC is crap because the ls sucks *****. And quite honestly, the ls is more similar to the SS than the caliber is to the CSRT. So yea, u dont have a clue at all. And the SRT8 doesnt handle as good as the CSRT. The CSRT can corner harder, gets better gas milage, and has more power/weight.

As for this statement, I am on both these forums and the SRT forums. I was here first, and I am entitled to stay. If u dont like it, TOUGH *******.

drewbroo

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You are a tool, where is this 10 sec turd that has these mods?

Capable and doing 10's are 2 different things.

And the CSRT4 sucks, I can name broken shitty dodges driven by mopard douches all day long, I just would rather not waster my time.

RuSSo-29

1st off.... are you retarded??? My car cost 19K and I avg 28mpg city/high more highway then city.

That SRT8 is over $30K, and my friend who has one if he drived it like a grandma gets 15mpg... Don't be stupid and every again compair the 2.

1BADSS/SC

Awww.... Are u mad the CSRT has made more power and broken 11's WITHOUT TUNING SOFTWARE when the SS hasnt?

Would you like a tissue for your tears?

Look at you. "The CSRT sucks!" yet it has gone farther than ur precious TC. Youre acting like a typical fanboi that most people have labels cobalts "ricers" for. Get over your TC and realize you really dont have a clue about the competition. Being a newb is one thing. Being a ******* fanboi ricer is never acceptable.


he knows nothing about Dodge. All he knows is SS/TC. He is in SS/TC land with all the other fanboi fairies. It is protected by an inpenitrable force field powered by a ricer generator that has NAWS stickers on it which grant all the SS/TC's in the land 10000000 hp.

RuSSo-29

You don't like the CSRT and thats fine. I don't give a **** that you think it sucks and if the whole forum didn't like it or thinks it looks like a brick. Its fast, gets the job done and I don;t ahve any problems with it.

Mike09SS

dude it doesnt suck. The only reason I didnt buy the srt4 was because im not a huge fan of the look...but it really isnt all that bad anyways. ive been in his car and it moves out very well. I am racing him on thursday i believe and im pretty confident im not only going to lose, but lose by a couple of car lengths. Its nicer on the inside than the sstc and an all around more practical car. Sounds better to.


btw if a car is capable of a 10 second pass, then its a 10 second car. Just because someone cant drive, doesnt make it a slower car than it really is. an sti is a low 13 second car stock, but youd never know that by going to the track where people are running 14's all day long with them. Dont be ignorant.

RuSSo-29

Lol True. I forgot the LNF Coablts became the new "GTO's". Forgot the LNF was gods gift to 4bangers...

1BADSS/SC

This is the reason I like the LSJ guys more than the newbie SS/TC owners. The LSJ guys have been around, know their ****, and are down to earth. SOme of these TC guys drive me nuts.


I forgot to call Jeremy : /

on my lunch I am though. I will post back in here with his response. I think Chris is going to romp all of us... Im pretty sure hes going to beat me by AT LEAST 3 cars. Hes pretty damn quick.

Mike09SS

great =(...my cars slow as ***** now =(

1BADSS/SC

LOL. As far as the racing goes, WERE ALL going to be slow as ***** compared to Chris. I still cant wait to see how the old fatty holds up to him though.

drewbroo

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are you guys done patting each other on that back?

The reason why I say the SRT4 sucks it because its not a good all around car. There are cobalts that are not on CSS.net. And other cars that are faster than the CSRT4 and SS/TC. I own 2 other cars that are faster than my SS/TC, but I don't parade around on the COBALT ss website talking about how much better my other cars are than my cobalt.

The SRT4 guys think they have an 04 cobra or something. THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT IMPRESSIVE.

RuSSo-29

we don;t parade around wither. WE DO TRY AND DEFEND OURSELVES WHEN GUY'S WHO THINK THEY HAVE THE BEAT QUALITY COMPACT CAR ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH BASHES OUR CAR THO.

I'm wondering if you think the cobalt is that much better quality then the Caliber? Like do you really think the cobalt is made all that much better?

And the TC guys seems to think they all drive 04 GTO's.... LS1's = God's Motor... some how the TC guys feel LNF = God's 4banger motor....?

1BADSS/SC

I bought it for straightline, therefore this is not necessarily true.

Impressive is relative, just like perception of choice. Impressive to me is 570 whp on stock internals. Impressive to me is 433 whp /533 wtq on stock compressor wheel housing. The CSRT is everything I wanted in a sport compact.

Cheap
Easy to mod
Easy to make reatrded power
Good straightline performer
Best DD for the price and features

What u percieve as good isnt what everyone percieves as good. You need to realize this, or be prepared to be called out on it.

RuSSo-29

Pat's on the back....





I guess were not done....