06SS/SC

Ok crewcheif, you are right. IMO, having been in an STI with that much power, it isn't an ideal car to want to drive on a DD basis. There are plenty of people that do it, I'm just not one that wants to do it right now. Just to info you, there are also plenty that run 10's on pump 93 also. Also your statement about half as fast on the street is incorrect--the correct statement is "not as fast".

Great point!!!!

amxguy1970

Didn't know run flats were considered slicks?

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/12/05/1...-on-run-flats/

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/25/o...nd-quarter-mi/

Not to mention there will be more Vipers there, and it isn't if but when the ZR1 finally hits the 10's. No tires needed...

I agree, half as fast was just an exaggeration but you get the point. So many of them claim 6XX hp or something but are upper 4XX when not on race gas and high boost.

IMO a STI isn't a good DD no matter what the HP. I looked at them before my goat and that was the hardest riding car ever (more so then a Z06). Horrible sightliness with the big wing and front scoop, and when doing a semi hard brake test every crack in the road translated to ABS kicking in. That car is best suited as a short road course or auto X car on the weekend where its suspension and all wheel drive can shine (it handled awesome!).

Tyler

sundevil07

iTrader: (1)

that is impressive, but come on man 10.98 and 10.92?? thats barely a ten second slip. if they wouldnt have taken a **** before those passes they would be 11 seconds. Those are two consistently low 11 second cars

06SS/SC

I agree, half as fast was just an exaggeration but you get the point. So many of them claim 6XX hp or something but are upper 4XX when not on race gas and high boost.

IMO a STI isn't a good DD no matter what the HP. I looked at them before my goat and that was the hardest riding car ever (more so then a Z06). Horrible sightliness with the big wing and front scoop, and when doing a semi hard brake test every crack in the road translated to ABS kicking in. That car is best suited as a short road course or auto X car on the weekend where its suspension and all wheel drive can shine (it handled awesome!).

Tyler[/QUOTE]

I drive mine everyday on RCE yellow springs and it rides great. Yes, your gonna feel bumps, but that is mainly due to the tires that come stock on them. They are some of the stiffest tires I've ever been on. I've been in several goats and they ride pretty nice but they aren't "Cadilac like" either. I'll give it to you, the wing does block a little viewing in the back but it isn't horrible like my old SS/SC was. The hood scoop doesn't cause any issues at all. The worst cars for seeing out the front window were firebirds and camaros.

I don't know what you are refering to about the brakes, (6 piston front brembos, 4 piston rear brembos) that is 20 pistons of supreme stopping power! Look up the braking performance for STI's; there aren't many car's that can stop faster. I've never had my ABS kick in on a dry or wet road, ever. The only time it did was on summer tires driving in the snow, which completely sucks and should never be attempted!!

All in all it has (so far) been the best "well rounded" car I've ever been in. Handling is great, it's quick, rides fine, looks good, interior quality is good, trunk space is huge, gas mileage isn't too bad, and it's a beast in all weather conditions.

I would still like to own a goat too!

firemanfrank

I've been posting trying to find out if anyone from css.net was in that vid. Thought it would have been in the "Video" or "Drag Racing" section.

Anyways, so that's your Balt and you're from Ct.?

As of yet, I haven't met up with any stock SS/T's in my area to see how my GMPP S2 + 0 fairs up against them on the road (my "same Day/Same Dyno Test" thread showed hp was very close).

SLoW LT1

No. its my car

firemanfrank

Ok, glad I can put a CSS.net name to the car in the vid!

Nice vid too.

Next time your in the LVD area, let me know. Maybe we can do some side-by-side vids for Streetfire.

SLoW LT1

yeah, i will let you know.

what do you drive?

firemanfrank

I've got an 07 SC Stage 2 (no other mods)

Here's the CSS thread where I did a same day/same dyno of my car vs. a stock SS/T:

Images/Video from today's "Stage 2 SC vs. SS/T" dyno face off
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/images-video-todays-stage-2-sc-vs-ss-t-dyno-face-off-56k-think-again-118151/

And a video of that session on Streetfire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V0nqBrmgxQ

SLoW LT1

where are you from?

simpleman68

Looks like all had a good time. A little tripod action for the next outing and you're all set.
The DA was damn good that day too.
Scott

firemanfrank

Upstate NY, tri-city area. About 35 miles west of LVD.

amxguy1970

I drive mine everyday on RCE yellow springs and it rides great. Yes, your gonna feel bumps, but that is mainly due to the tires that come stock on them. They are some of the stiffest tires I've ever been on. I've been in several goats and they ride pretty nice but they aren't "Cadilac like" either. I'll give it to you, the wing does block a little viewing in the back but it isn't horrible like my old SS/SC was. The hood scoop doesn't cause any issues at all. The worst cars for seeing out the front window were firebirds and camaros.

I don't know what you are refering to about the brakes, (6 piston front brembos, 4 piston rear brembos) that is 20 pistons of supreme stopping power! Look up the braking performance for STI's; there aren't many car's that can stop faster. I've never had my ABS kick in on a dry or wet road, ever. The only time it did was on summer tires driving in the snow, which completely sucks and should never be attempted!!

All in all it has (so far) been the best "well rounded" car I've ever been in. Handling is great, it's quick, rides fine, looks good, interior quality is good, trunk space is huge, gas mileage isn't too bad, and it's a beast in all weather conditions.

I would still like to own a goat too![/QUOTE]

I wasn't saying they were lacking in the performance area, I was just talking about with the road I was on and the stiffness of the suspension that the ABS was kicking in while I was trying to slow the car some what hard. It was a rougher road and the suspension wasn't allowing the tires to stay in contact the whole time with the road. I know that car can stop being fairly light with those brakes on it!

STI's and EVO's are awesome on short tight tracks and auto cross tracks, they would be great cars to have to drive those on the weekends. Me, I would probably rather take the regular WRX with some mods for daily driving and keep the STI as a track queen.

Tyler

firemanfrank

If AWD STi's and Evo's are considered awesome on short tracks, then by comparison ... FWD only Cobalt SS's must be spectacular.

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Combined 3 Year List "C&D Lightning Lap"

1. 2:45.9 - 2008 Mosler MT900S
2. 2:48.6 - 2008 Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR
3. 2:54.6 - 2008 Ferrari 430 Scuderia
4. 2:55.6 - 2008 Nissan GT-R
5. 2:58.2 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
6. 3:00.7 - 2005 Ford GT
7. 3:01.1 - 2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06
8. 3:01.2 - 2008 Chevrolet Corvette Z51
9. 3:01.6 - 2006 Dodge Viper SRT10 Coupe
10. 3:01.8 - 2007 Porsche 911 GT3
11. 3:03.6 - 2007 Chevrolet Corvette C6
12. 3:04.0 - 2008 Cadillac CTS-V
13. 3:04.5 - 2007 Lotus Exige S
14. 3:04.6 - 2007 Audi R8
15. 3:05.6 - 2008 BMW M3
16. 3:05.8 - 2007 Porsche 997 Turbo
17. 3:05.9 - 2007 Ford Shelby GT500
18. 3:06.5 - 2008 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG
19. 3:09.2 - 2006 Lotus Elise
20. 3:09.3 - 2006 Chevrolet Corvette
21. 3:09.5 - 2006 Porsche Cayman S
22. 3:10.0 - 2006 BMW M6
23. 3:10.5 - 2007 BMW 335i Coupe
24. 3:11.0 - 2007 Ford Shelby GT500
25. 3:11.2 - 2007 Audi RS4
26. 3:11.7 - 2007 BMW Z4 M
27. 3:12.5 - 2006 Nissan 350Z Track
28. 3:13.0 - 2008 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Turbocharged
29. 3:13.3 - 2008 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR
30. 3:13.5 - 2006 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution MR
31. 3:13.7 - 2008 BMW 135i
32. 3:14.0 - 2008 Lexus IS F
33. 3:14.6 - 2008 Audi S5
34. 3:15.0 - 2008 Honda S2000 CR
35. 3:15.7 - 2007 Pontiac Solstice GXP
36. 3:16.0 - 2007 Mazda Speed 3
37. 3:16.3 - 2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8
38. 3:16.6 - 2008 Lotus Elise SC
39. 3:17.5 - 2008 Infiniti G37 Sport
40. 3:18.2 - 2006 Dodge Charger SRT8
41. 3:19.0 - 2006 Mazda RX-8
42. 3:19.0 - 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
43. 3:20.6 - 2006 Chevrolet Cobalt SS Supercharged
44. 3:20.8 - 2008 Dodge Caliber SRT-4
45. 3:20.9 - 2006 Ford Mustang GT
46. 3:21.8 - 2008 Volkswagen R32
47. 3:22.9 - 2007 Mini Cooper S
48. 3:24.8 - 2008 Honda Civic Mugen Si
49. 3:25.1 - 2006 Volkswagen GTI
50. 3:26.5 - 2006 Honda Civic Si
51. 3:26.6 - 2008 Volvo C30 T5 Version 2.0
52. 3:29.3 - 2006 Mazda MX-5

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simpleman68

Of course, you realize there's a huge difference in the track ability of an awd vehicle.
I also don't like the fact that many of these races were not done under controlled/similar Circumstances.
Scott

firemanfrank

I suppose anything is possible. But there are only so many 3rd party tests like the one C&D did that I can use for reference.

Whatever the case, you gotta admit the Balt did pretty well!

simpleman68

Yes it did, and I was really pleased to see that.
My mother's side were all factory workers from Flint MI. Worked for GM, Fisher Body, and Buick their entire lives until retiring. Nice to see we are making stuff, aside from trucks that is worth buying.
The Vettes also rocked that list for a fraction of the cost of their competitors.
Scott

firemanfrank

Wow, a whole bunch of your family were GM workers? You do that too?

Yeah, some people give a ton of grief over US vs. Foreign built cars, but we've come a heck of a long way over the years. My car is over 2 years old and the only major problem was the dealer had to replace my clutch assembly a few months after I bought it (all taken care of under warranty). No major problems since then.

So my Balt doesn't have a walnut dash with fine leather inserts. LOL It also doesn't cost 50k, and it can keep up with vehicles twice it's price. Same for the Vette and it's competitors.

simpleman68

They were all GM factory workers. I have a construction company and also a brokerage that markets imported/specialty foods.
My little LS has almost 120k on the clock and never a major issue. My friends Hondas and Toyotas have had more problems.
Scott