evilgoat

Hey folks i just came from the bar near my house had 2 whiskey and this dude walked in and said nice SRT-4 you have outside. I said yeah it does the job (I finished my drink) and he bought me another whiskey (Cool guy) he said he has a Srt-4 as well and we BS for a bit til we hit the topic about the New Turbo Cobalt SS. He said that he is looking for one to spank it (His car is stockish but a CAI). I told him that ive heard many people have mad respect for those new balts and that he will have his hand full against the newr SS.
he said that he is confident that the NSRT-4 have the SS/TC covered stock for stock. He brough the argument that the SRT-4 has gone high 13s stock and the balt just got low 14s but trapping about the same.

My logic tells me this:
NSRT-4 around 220-230fwhp at 29000lbs = high 13s at best
Cobalt SS/TC 230-240fwhp at around 29000 (not sure) = low 14s I think the SS/TC is way better capable than that. At least high 13s just like the NSRT-4 with a good driver.

Im not a fanboy at all so i dont give a damn but id like to hear some non-bias opinions even though that is gonna be tough

scottw03

29000lbs, WOW those bitches are heavy.

I think you meant 2900lbs.

As for the track times, please. That just means what the car it self can do. That doesn't even take into account the average driver of the car.

Example: stock SRT-4 should be able to run a 13.8-13.9 at the track. Then how come with S1, AGP wga, and MM I was in the 14's? Because of driver skill. I sucked. Took me awhile to get used to the car and drop the times quite a bit.

You could have a guy that drives a mid to low 13 second car and still be beat by a low 14 second car, just because the 14 second driver is a better driver. They launch the car better with less wheel hop or spin and hold their own through the shifts. While the mid to low 13 second driver is spinning the tires, getting wheel hop so having to back off the gas and all the while the 14 sec car is pulling away.

It is a drivers race when it comes to stock vs stock SS/TC and SRT-4. Now what may give the TC a leg up is that they come with WOT shifting built in. That can make a decent difference in a race. I have seen where I have dropped .3 or more at the track just by WOT shifting my car and not WOT shifting the car.

evilgoat

we all know that these car dont drive by themselves, i should have mentiong with equal drivers which car has the edge. Either way that dude is gonna have a rude awakening. BTW that WOT shifting feature is preety sick i may get one.

scottw03

Get the WOT shifting or a SS/TC? WOT shifting contact N2MB for the WOT Box. Love mine.

Equal drivers, I think, the SS/TC will have a slight advantage over the SRT-4. Not much and I think if it pulls away it will be very slow. The power numbers are not much different between the two.

evilgoat

i agree with your statement. hoq muxh u paid for yoiur wot box, that would probably be my next mod after a aereforce gauge!!!

Im really impressed with Turbo SS, im glad GM did the right thing and put this car to the market. Its gonna be fun to run one modified to see how fast they really are

M1kl0

i raced an nsrt4 with a strut bar and from a 20 roll we were head to head and from a 40 roll he jumped in front about a car and i started to reel him in but he stopped before i could get to his front fender.

basically the nsrt4 and ss/tc are the same with different advantages


when i drive it feels that 2nd gear pull isnt that great, it only pulls great a second after u punch it while in 1st gear you get full boost. 2nd gear takes a little to kick in

FiscalFizz

Its called having a turbo lol

I heard 2nd gear pull in the SS/TCs are freaking AMAZING and I cannot wait to break my ride in and try... ONCE I GET IT ( being built this week coming up)!

M1kl0

ya the pull is amazing!....for second gear. it just takes a bit to kick in

steddy2112

iTrader: (1)

Stock NSRT-4s all day from a roll.

FiscalFizz

turbo lag.

evilgoat

Is there any turbo balt owner that would like to have some fun with a few skittles in Boyton beach, Delray beach, Boca Raton area let me know

Perfect.disguise

I remember you telling my you wanted the stage 2 ecu..No-lift shift is programmed in it right?

evilgoat

nope, No staged SRT4 has that features. It has to be an aftermarket one like the one you know

Perfect.disguise

This is Stage 1 haven't looked at rest..Is it not the same?


SRT-4 Stage 1 Kit

The Stage 1 Turbo Kit for the SRT-4 Boosts power to 240 hp and 260 ft-lbs of torque.
Components:
Stage 1 PCM
(4) 577cc/min fuel injectors (for 2003 kit only)

Calibration Features:
Increased WOT and part throttle boost
Improved turbo responce
Boost hold feature suring WOT shifts
Enhanced 1st gear boost schedule for a high-performance launch
More aggressive exhaust note during deceleration

evilgoat

to be honest i did not know stage 1 pcm can do alll that **** lol, stage II increases the redline to 7k i think and it gives the ability to run higher octane mod (HOM) which makes more power and u also get turbo toys which gives you great power adder too

Super_SS

gimmie some slicks, i'll get my s1, wga, fmic, tbe, srt into the 12's easilyyyyyyyyy

scottw03

I bought it when it was about $300. The price they have now $129 for one option and $189 for both (WOT box and 2 step) is awesome.


I hate to go against a fellow SRT-4 owner, but you are wrong.

The Stage kits do have the no lift feature. However it does not work as well as the SS/TC or the WOT box. It is the boost hold feature that they say the PCM's have.

Actually it is a 6500 rpm redline for both S2 and S3, S1 has a 6250 rpm redline.

evilgoat

hey u should know that better, i nver took my sweet as time to read all that **** lol. i still want a stage II computer, but i read that u also need sensors and other crap so i think i will pass

steddy2112

iTrader: (1)

The NSRT-4 Mopar stage kits are so awesome.

I wish any Cobalt would have gotten stage kits that were that cool.

S3 is pretty cool though, you have to admit.

Super_SS

for the price of the stg 3 from mopar, u can get a bigger turbo and make about 60whp more

steddy2112

iTrader: (1)

I was referring to the SS's S3.

scottw03

LOL. Yeah S2 is pretty cool. I love mine. Yes, you need a 3 bar MAP and TIP sensor to make it work. You would also need larger injectors as well otherwise you would be running the stock/S1 injectors to max potential all the time.

S3 is pretty awesome. For a completely plug and play 315 to 360 whp, it can not be beat. Zero tuning required.

But like one of the other guys said, for about the same $4000 you can get a 50 trim setup and make about 60 whp more. That is without the porting, cams, etc... to support it.

Perfect.disguise

50 trim? Haha I think he already knows..

CBodnar

agp kit for the nsrt-4 i'd say is the best for the money