The last GTO / Cobalt thread got locked after 16 pages that made me feel like I was reading a transcript of grade school children debating physics. Some people just get their ego way too wrapped up in their cars. While the concept of that is somewhat distressing, the end results can be good for a laugh.

There are a few Stage 2 SS/SC 'Balts around here, or at least that is what they claim. From any speed they get steadily pulled on. The same holds true for the stock LS1 GTO's that I have played with before, although the pull is slightly less. I would conclude from this that a standard Stage 2 SS/SC is on par with a stock LS1 GTO. With other supporting mods (like syP has), I would give the SS/SC the edge.

Before all of the GTO owners here get their panties in a wad, try to understand something. An SS/SC has to be at least Stage 2 to seriously entertain the notion of beating a stock GTO. We know that, and they know it too. There are SS/SC's here that can probably beat stock LS2 GTO's too. However, I have noticed that the SS/SC community seems to be rather realistic about their car. They consider us to be a measuring stick for where they are with modding. That, in itself, illustrates that they respect the GTO. They know that the GTO is in a different league stock for stock. I'm sure they also know that the GTO is still in a different league modded for modded.

Disclaimer: I'm not asking this question to be a dick, or shake my e-dick at you, it's a legitimate question. Are there any SS/SC's that are in the range of a forced induction GTO?

 

bless your heart

 

Give it a few months. We've got a few Turbo cobalts popping up soon that should be pushing low 12's and 11's when all is said and done. 06blackg85ss is still working on his turbo conversion, and I believe he will be shooting for the higher power numbers.

The other guys all seem to be going after the more humble 350-400 range which, depending on suspension/transmission mods, will be easily in the mid 12's...

 

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I figured that they had to be out there, but I was thinking that you guys started running into the limits of the stock blower before you were in that range. It's good to hear that some turbo conversions are in the works. 350-400 in a platform that light should be mid 12's as worst case scenario, but I guess it will probably highlight the traction issues of FWD even more.

I'm also anxious to see what some of these twin turbo GTO's start putting down at the track. Those guys are seeing good dyno numbers at least.

 

doubtful. unless you found someone with a turbo swap and alot of mods to support it. or maybe an engine rebuilt for n2o

 

Great post. I was beginning to wonder about GTO owners. It seemed as if all the tools that used to drive T/A's had converted over to GTOs. While there are the occasional idiot Cobalt owners (as with any car), I believe that about 95% of them would agree w/ everything you said. Thanks.

 

The GTO gets a lot of grief from "enthusiasts" on the internet. With an IRS and 400hp, it's a difficult car to launch. Inexperienced drivers post lackluster 1/4 mile times with it, and it leads everyone to believe that the car is slow. Because some people get their ego wrapped up in their cars, this leads to the existence of GTO apologists. I don't really like seeing fellow GTO owners parading around like cocky jackasses. It makes us all look bad, and it's just a damn car. If a car defines someone, they should seriously consider re-evaluating their identity.

 

Yeah... Jason hunt drives it... it runs 7's!

 

stry... we catch alot of grief because people look at the car and call it a grand prix or something..

a stage 2... from a roll or dig?... i still think they would never catch up from a dig due to the jump on launch... thats on a stock ls1 atleast..

and asking about forced induction...

theres a ls1 with a procharger running around here... he cant launch for ****.. but from a roll... forget about it

 

I'll be sure to race it when I see him driving around in it. Shouldn't be hard to miss that particular Cobalt. I'd swap his 1450hp 2.16L for my 6.0 any day of the week.

 

good post, i love the gto's i have not had the pleasyre of racing a 6.0 yet but i hope to soon i just hope he is stock

 

Yes, I've heard all of the Grand Prix and bloated Cavalier jokes before. To make matters worse, it was from people driving mid-90's Civics and the like. Not that I have a problem with Civics (or any car really), but they aren't exactly the pinnacle of styling refinement. It doesn't bother me. People usually bash someone that has something they wish they had. Personally, I like the looks of a 2-door Grand Prix GTP.

I can see a Stage 2 pulling a stock LS1 GTO from a roll. I imagine it would definitely pull one if it was Stage 2 with supporting mods like the guy in the previous discussion. Unless the LS1 GTO owner brought his A-game, I can see one running him down from a dig too.

I've driven a few Maggie Goats before (all autos), but never a Goat with a centrifugal blower or turbo. I think the Maggie Goats are harder to launch too, but I doubt you can launch any of them well with anything less than a good set of DR's.

 

instant boost ftw

 

his is a procharged, A4.. stock everything else on the engine.. not putting down impressive numbers either... 370ish... i ran him at the flashlight drags last week.. jumped out hard on the launch.. but once he caught traction and got up into his rpm range.. he had a fender on me when we shut down... i imagine if it was a 1/4 mile instead of an 1/8th mile he would have put atleast a car on me

 

Don't you have one of the faster SS/SC's, or do I have you confused with someone else?

Race a stock and modded one if you can. I like egging cars that I know are faster into a race, just to watch them move. I know I'm not competition for a C6 Z06, but I won't hesitate to harass one until he blows me off the road. Then again, that's also how I got my Aston Martin kill.

 

yeah i have a pretty quick one lol. i only see a few 6.0's around me and never when im in my balt.

 

What was his baseline? I think stock LS1 GTO's average 285-305rwhp, but don't quote me on that. I guess 370rwhp is a good improvement either way, but that's a lot of money spent to be able to edge out stock or mildly modded LS2's. I guess I'm just used to seeing dyno posts from the Procharger guys that are mad if they lay down more than 500rwhp.

 

80 at the wheels with only a procharger is great. if he actually runs some supporting mods he will get some good numbers not that 370 is bad

 

I have that problem too. Cars worth racing are rarely spotted when in my GTO. Every other car is something I'd like to race when I'm in my girlfriend's car though. I almost never see other GTO's.

 

yeah the cars i have raced i have faied well against but most were stockish. the fastest one was the tbss he was amazd i beat him on a toasted clutch.

 

Indeed. I guess most of the GTO guys do the supporting mods first, so I'm used to seeing those numbers. What are you laying down in your SS/SC?


Although the TBSS is slower than my car, it's more fun to drive and definitely more practical. You could build one of those into the ultimate sleeper. Was the one you raced AWD?

 

yeah he was awd tuned,cai,heatsoak mod for his tranny and i think that was it he was cutting 13.4's i believe he is a vendor on the forum. we went from 35 to 70 and i was 2 cars out on the burnt clutch he could not believe it

 

im gonna have to give you props on this post. but you are leaving some stuff out. mainly the fact that you seem to be talking of roll racing only. i happen to spend a lot of time at the local track here, and have noticed a few trends with both the ls1 and ls2 gto's. the best time ive seen a stock ls1 gto run at the track (its only a 1000 foot track) is 11.50. pretty quick for a stock car, and have not seen any other modded cobalts run anywhere near that. now ive seen stock ls2's anywhere from 11.8's-10.8's (the 10.8 i saw run, might have been slightly modded). this just goes to show me that their times largely depend on the driver (imagine that), as do most cobalts.

the only gripe i have is that the GTO community seems to think there cars are God's greatest gift to man kind. i had a video of me racing my friends stock ls1 posted up over there (i didnt post it though) and they all called bs on the video because i put a couple lengths on him froma dig on the street. all the facts were stated and they were told of my times vs. his times at our local track. my best at the time was 11.37 and his was 11.53, and they still said we rigged the race, ,and made up all kinds of excuses. overall they were complete douchebags, and have had a grudge with the majority of gto's since.

 

give me a few months after i get my 04 gto and put some mods ill give you a video of a stage 2 cobalt vs the gto, the 04 gto's are not pigs at all there about as fast as a mustang mach 1 so if you think a stage 2 cobalt would pull on a mach 1 your nuts