SS S/C vs EVO MR
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Since when was a roll race not a recognizable form of racing? Apparantly all of you hardcore drag guys forgot about the LeMans circuit, the GrandAm cup, the Rolex Sports car series, F1 racing, and NASCAR, all of which start their races from a(dare I say), roll. And since when was hammering the throttle and shifting in a straigh line "true" racing? Holy hell my grandmother can do that, and she's in her mid-70's. A "true" race is a competition of speed, endurance durability, and driver's skill, which is demonstrated more on a closed circuit road course. I on't care if the OP raced the EVO from a roll, or a dig(Good win, BTW), throw both the cars on a closed circuit road course, and lt them duke out a few laps, then we'll know who the better racer is.
Here, let me go ONE PAGE BACK and copy this answer for you
I was waiting for this ricer excuse 
NASCAR is an endurance race over 500 miles. The person with the single fastest lap time does not always equal the winner. So...unless the cobalt and MR were racing for an endurance race of 500 miles or so, then you can't compare them. Nice try!
NASCAR is an endurance race over 500 miles. The person with the single fastest lap time does not always equal the winner. So...unless the cobalt and MR were racing for an endurance race of 500 miles or so, then you can't compare them. Nice try!
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From: Goodfellow AFB, TX
Yes, you can compare them, without doing 500 miles or so. The road course, not circle track, forces driver's ability to come to forefront. If the driver of the EVO can't drive as well as the driver of the cobalt, it will show very quickly, and vice versa...HP be damned if you can't control it efficiently. How long do you want to argue this?
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Hey hey hey, don't disrepect F1 by putting it in the same paragraph as N****R. And F1 is also standing start.
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I've seen F1 go from a rolling start as well...Personally, I hate NASCAR, no point to a circle. I stick the GrandAM and F1 races, and the drags. I just included Nascar in case someone else decided to call me out on not including it, just tryin to cover the whole spectrum
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Yes, you can compare them, without doing 500 miles or so. The road course, not circle track, forces driver's ability to come to forefront. If the driver of the EVO can't drive as well as the driver of the cobalt, it will show very quickly, and vice versa...HP be damned if you can't control it efficiently. How long do you want to argue this?
You missed my point. The reason the rolling start in NASCAR doesn't matter is because of the distance involved.
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I've seen F1 go from a rolling start as well...Personally, I hate NASCAR, no point to a circle. I stick the GrandAM and F1 races, and the drags. I just included Nascar in case someone else decided to call me out on not including it, just tryin to cover the whole spectrum
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From: Hubert NC
lol what you all arent understanding just like an sti they have the OPTION and yes the option to change their ratio from 90-10 90% in the rear to 10% in the front or make it all 100% thats up to them so honestly that bullshit that your calling about awd and their drivetrain loss is a bunch of bullshit
Why would a 35+ vehicle race a 20+ vehicle thats whats unfair, as your paying 15 grand more for the car + insurance and then the mods to make your car respond better is so much better than any cobalt and their tuning and such....
A dig, track racing, a roll race, drifting around street corners or up parking garges, autocrossing ARE ALL CONSIDERING RACING...Either way let me ask you this you think its honestly that hard to launch a fwd car or any awd car, i can tell you rite now that i think that from a dog has alot more things to consider in a race, as we all know this..... But street racing does the same as you are racing from a roll at high speeds YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING same as doing it at the track
Why would a 35+ vehicle race a 20+ vehicle thats whats unfair, as your paying 15 grand more for the car + insurance and then the mods to make your car respond better is so much better than any cobalt and their tuning and such....
A dig, track racing, a roll race, drifting around street corners or up parking garges, autocrossing ARE ALL CONSIDERING RACING...Either way let me ask you this you think its honestly that hard to launch a fwd car or any awd car, i can tell you rite now that i think that from a dog has alot more things to consider in a race, as we all know this..... But street racing does the same as you are racing from a roll at high speeds YOU NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING same as doing it at the track
To the OP, good kill. If they come a knockin, rock'em.
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^hahaha I didn't even is that post. Even if that was true STi's can only manually preload 40/60. And he obviously doesn't understand AWD systems, becasue any AWD car with an LSD center diff can split 0/100 or 100/0 if one end of the car has no traction. It's only the preload that varies.
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To all that says AWD is king because you hit the gas and go like hell, go drive something other then a POS that has *****. It IS NOT that easy and you CAN STILL spin alot. Sure it is easier to HAVE traction, but it takes the same amount of skill to launch as a FWD or RWD car.
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No, racing from a dig requires a LOT of skill and practice, unless you happen to drive a car that can't spin it's tires at all? It's not just mash and go in most cars. Holy crap, who let you out from under your rock? So yes, you can race while rolling, however skill? 0. No worry about spin, nothing.
p.s. Your "crazy" joke was not funny at all.
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From: LongIsland
If you assume that the O.P has a 265 whp cobalt and the evo mr he raced had 285 Awhp and the cobalt won the race by one car length by turning the cobalt into an AWD vehicle you would one be adding more weight to the cobalt so now instead of about 3000 pounds stock lets say now its like 3200 with out driver. Than now you have to figure in your new drive train loss on that 265 whp so now your down to more like 250 WHP. even if you turned a 300 whp cobalt into am awd vehicle it might have the same whp as the evo now but cause of the added weight it would still come up short.You'd lose that argument any way you slice it. you should have said make the evo FWD and it would eat the cobalt digs or rolls that would have made more sense cause one its weight would decrease and two and power he was putting down to the ground would increase since theres less drive train loss. You don't seem like a fanboi so just be more careful with your reckless statements.
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when i race i do it to see which car is faster, not which car can get better traction. thus the reason roll racing is the best way to find the faster car. i noticed the only people who are saying roll racing is stupid are the people with slow cars who dont have traction issues like us with fast cars.
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Not sure if someone owned you for this statement yet so i'll add my two cents....
If you assume that the O.P has a 265 whp cobalt and the evo mr he raced had 285 Awhp and the cobalt won the race by one car length by turning the cobalt into an AWD vehicle you would one be adding more weight to the cobalt so now instead of about 3000 pounds stock lets say now its like 3200 with out driver. Than now you have to figure in your new drive train loss on that 265 whp so now your down to more like 250 WHP. even if you turned a 300 whp cobalt into am awd vehicle it might have the same whp as the evo now but cause of the added weight it would still come up short.You'd lose that argument any way you slice it. you should have said make the evo FWD and it would eat the cobalt digs or rolls that would have made more sense cause one its weight would decrease and two and power he was putting down to the ground would increase since theres less drive train loss. You don't seem like a fanboi so just be more careful with your reckless statements.
If you assume that the O.P has a 265 whp cobalt and the evo mr he raced had 285 Awhp and the cobalt won the race by one car length by turning the cobalt into an AWD vehicle you would one be adding more weight to the cobalt so now instead of about 3000 pounds stock lets say now its like 3200 with out driver. Than now you have to figure in your new drive train loss on that 265 whp so now your down to more like 250 WHP. even if you turned a 300 whp cobalt into am awd vehicle it might have the same whp as the evo now but cause of the added weight it would still come up short.You'd lose that argument any way you slice it. you should have said make the evo FWD and it would eat the cobalt digs or rolls that would have made more sense cause one its weight would decrease and two and power he was putting down to the ground would increase since theres less drive train loss. You don't seem like a fanboi so just be more careful with your reckless statements.
Next time keep your two cents...I gotta enough change!!
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You drive an automatic so I don't think your opinion on the matter has any relevance.
You're still not understanding. If the launch was all that mattered, then why would any road races even exist? Shouldn't they know the winner within the first 1000' of the race if racing at speed isn't real?
p.s. Your "crazy" joke was not funny at all.
You're still not understanding. If the launch was all that mattered, then why would any road races even exist? Shouldn't they know the winner within the first 1000' of the race if racing at speed isn't real?
p.s. Your "crazy" joke was not funny at all.
As for the launch and the first 1000', some cars have better top end, some better low end. So, if it's close by 1000', then the last 420 feet still matter. If it's not close, then the last 420 feet probably won't matter. A roll race tests one thing and one thing only, top end. Sorry kiddos, but roll racing is not a sanctioned sport ANYWHERE and as such, is NOT a viable means of racing. If the NHRA starts making rolling start rules and tracks, then I'll buy into it.
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AAAAND again, stupidity steps in. I have an auto in one, and a stick in the other car, idiot.
As for the launch and the first 1000', some cars have better top end, some better low end. So, if it's close by 1000', then the last 420 feet still matter. If it's not close, then the last 420 feet probably won't matter. A roll race tests one thing and one thing only, top end. Sorry kiddos, but roll racing is not a sanctioned sport ANYWHERE and as such, is NOT a viable means of racing. If the NHRA starts making rolling start rules and tracks, then I'll buy into it.
As for the launch and the first 1000', some cars have better top end, some better low end. So, if it's close by 1000', then the last 420 feet still matter. If it's not close, then the last 420 feet probably won't matter. A roll race tests one thing and one thing only, top end. Sorry kiddos, but roll racing is not a sanctioned sport ANYWHERE and as such, is NOT a viable means of racing. If the NHRA starts making rolling start rules and tracks, then I'll buy into it.
and last time i checked, roll races usually start at 35-40ish MPH not 80 so your top end statement is invalid.
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there's nothing wreckless about it...YOU misunderstood what I meant. I wasn't speaking as if both cars were AWD. I was speaking as if roles were reversed completely. SO, if you don't understand what someone wrote, just ask! Its easier trust me Next time keep your two cents...I gotta enough change!!
Next time keep your two cents...I gotta enough change!!
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From: Newport News, VA from Pittsburgh, Pa
No you don't get it if roles were reversed cobalt would be a 250awhp car and evo would be a 300 fwhp car. cobalt still would get a loss. Seems to me like you have a ton of loose change but what your saying still doesn't add up to make any cents. <-- yes that is a play on the word sense..........
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From: Virginia
So...look at your keyboard. See the 4 next to the three? So I hit the wrong button. You can't be so stupid as to not think "Hey, maybe that's a typo). BTW, check the OP...they were on a..wait for it..highway, and they took off from 55 MPH in second. Who are you, the AWDStylez or whatever his name is? If so, you should read up before you jump back in to these arguments again.