So me and my buddy driving his STI was just playin around with this poor 06 civi. After 3 races from a roll the SI knew the STI would and is always going to eat him alive, so he pulls up next to me in my SS/SC. We raced 2 times. First from a dig, he smokes his tires through second, and by that time I was GONE!!!. So he roles up next to me complaining blah blah blah...I race from a 30 mph start, we both down shift, and guess what...I'M GONE AGAIN. No time for his little V-TECH to kick in, and if it did, it would not have made a difference. Another kill for the SS/SC!!!

 

Good kill

 

good kill. Those things are easy to beat. I raced one twice beat him by 4 cars first time and about 2 2nd time and this was on the 1/8th mile.

 

hey man, sorry i didnt show up sunday. i'm a dummy and totally forgot about daylight savings time.

 

hey man, some people will get offended if you use the word "retard" on here, i don't want a moderator after you so just be careful what you say thanks

nice kill, sadly i think this thread will turn into a huge chevy vs honda debate

 

good kill!

 

Nice kill! there are pretty easy to beat. My girl has one, its quick, but not quick enough. I beat it with my slipping clutch...from a dig and destroy it from a 40 roll with a head start. HAHAHA I'm gonna have to get her some upgrades.

 

It's all good we all over slept. You better come next week though!!! You got my number hit me up later. Bring friends.

Everyone else can check out our sunday drive video's at myspace under the member name shaun singer. Let me know what you think.

 

Nice kill man.

Those 06 Si's can't touch the SS S/C

 

hmmm maybe da guy didnt kno how to drive, ive beaten my boy's MKV gti by half a car b4and those things will eat da ss/sc........but dat was from a dead stop though

 

Thank you for completely butchering the english language

 

Stock for stock the SS/SC would rape an 06 Si. So that must mean it would murder the GTI!

 

the SI is no match stock for stock, ive beatn the same guy with a black one so many times its not even funny, i havnt seen him in a while, i wanna run him with my stage 2 and other goodies to make him question his purchase lol.

 

id be willing to bet the GTI guy didnt know how to drive.....

 

eat up SS S/C????? I would love to see it, a car that has lil less hp and weighs a lil more. ????????

I think they are a very good match, stock for stock can't see a GTI smoking (eat up) an SS S/C.

 

yea, I doubt that an SI or a GTI for that matter would come close to a ss/sc! I'm willing to bet the guy in the GTI didn't know how to drive cause they are rated at the same HP but the GTI has a **** load of more torque than the SI and guess what buddy, TQ wins races.

 

For the Nth time horsepower is more important then torque unless we are talking about tractor pulls.

 

Don't forget about pulling a boat!

 

ha! who are you kidding! here's my point proven. I don't mean to magazine race, but this is a really good article that proves that torque is gonna be the winner.

Car and Driver, March 2006 edition. pg. 69 Si VS GTI

Si weighs almost 400lbs lighter than the GTI. they both have the same hp. Si should win right? NO, the Si lacks 70ft./lbs of tq. That's why the GTI ran a 14.9 and the Si ran a 15.1
Both at the same 95mph. BECAUSE Tq got the GTI there quicker. So for the millionth time, TQ wins races, HP wins dyno competitions.

you got a lot to learn my friend.

 

It's quite simple...hp = tq x rpm, so if you've got one car making 100 tq at say, 4000 rpm, and another making 200 tq at the same rpm, at that point in time, the 2nd car is making double the power of the first. So what if they have the same peak hp? By the time both cars are making peak hp, the 2nd car will be pulling away due to the extra tq available at a lower rpm. No doubt the Honda is a screamer when it kicks into Vtec, but that first 2/3 of the rpm band may as well be turbo lag.

 

All torque lets you do is take advantage of gearing. Look at the new Audi GT2 car, like 700hp and I think 1500ft/lbs. and it is ripping apart everything in GT2 because it has very tall/crazy/expensive gearing.

Really though are you going to base your whole argument off of a magazine and .2 second of a difference.

http://vettenet.org/torquehp.html

 

thank you tomtwtwtw, that sums it up nicely. and to give an example, in that same magazine test, the GTI was over .5 sec faster from 5-60, was 8 sec faster from just 30-50mph and was over 7 sec faster from just 50-70mph. now if TQ isn't clearly the winner, then what is? I doubt you have any type of reasonable arguement for that comparo because there really isn't any other explanation.

If you do have an explanation, please let us all know how a car with 197hp and weighs 3220lbs could beat another car with the same hp and 400lbs lighter in the quarter mile, 0-60, 5-60, 30-50, and 50-70. GUESS WHAT? the ONLY explanation is TQ my friend. So don't tell me TQ doesn't matter. Cause it does.

 

Read the article I posted and stop babbling.
Gearing and a lil thing called a turbo (= larger area under the curve) might equate to that whopping .2 of a difference.

 

you can't be serious!!!! You are going to say it's all in the gearing!!!! You just said it yourself: "Torque lets you take advantage of the gearing." and that's why tq is a factor in racing, not just tractor pulling.

babbling, ha! I not only stated the quarter mile .2 difference, but I also stated the HUGE gaps in the rolling starts where TQ won! READ MY whole post before YOU start babbling.

I read that and he states over and over again that TQ is the "all important factor". So once again, how does TQ not win races?

 

Just finished reading that article...very informative, good find.

His last statement though, "It is better to make torque at high rpm than at low rpm, because you can take advantage of *gearing*." still isn't 100% true. If you make all your torque at the top of the RPM band and very little up to that point, it's no better than having torque early on and then having it fade at the end. You do not take advantage of gearing with torque, but rather you take advantage of torque with gearing.

Comparison again between a 2.0 n/a and a 2.0 f/i. The n/a will benefit most from a closer ratio, 6-speed because that type of gearing takes advantage of the high torque peak and narrow powerband. The 2.0 f/i is just fine with your average 5-speed, because there is more torque across a broader powerband. In the end, horsepower is not important. It's just a number that represents how much torque an engine makes at a specific time.