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Old May 8, 2009 | 10:55 AM
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SS/SC vs. SRT-4

Ran a Neon SRT-4 last night with a ported turbo, bigger intercooler, wastegate, intake (I think) Diablo tune, and magnaflow 3" exhaust. He said he was spiking to 20-22 psi and holding 18-20 psi. starting at 60 and went to about 115. He put 1 1/2 cars on me. I was very suprised. I have OTT Stage 1 and an intake. My iat2 was 150 after the run. So, going to re-run him once my heat exchanger is on. His car really looked good though. That's all.

BTW, this was on a closed road with no traffic
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:20 AM
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Nice death!! Were you surprised you lost, or surprised you lost by only 1 1/2 cars? He is probably putting down somewhere near 270-280whp depending on the tune and how much boost he is actually holding. I would think that is enough power to beat you by more, but I dont know how much power you're making.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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Nice death!! Were you surprised you lost, or surprised you lost by only 1 1/2 cars? He is probably putting down somewhere near 270-280whp depending on the tune and how much boost he is actually holding. I would think that is enough power to beat you by more, but I dont know how much power you're making.
Suprised I only lost by that. Thought I would lose by a lot more. I've hears he is over or around 300. I just know, I want his car..

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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:32 AM
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Suprised I only lost by that. Thought I would lose by a lot more. He is over or around 300 he thinks. I just know, I want his car..
If he says he is pushing that much power, than I'm surprised you hung with him at all. He should have put quite a few lengths on you, especially from a roll. Do you know what kind of #'s you're putting down?
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Hmmmmm, wonder what the 'ol skittle would have to say about a TVS....haha

Great run though. When they swap to bigger turbo's they can be nasty. Buddy of mine has one that is just over 400fwhp on a gt35 turbo.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 2006RedCobaltSS
Ran a Neon SRT-4 last night with a ported turbo, bigger intercooler, wastegate, intake (I think) Diablo tune, and magnaflow 3" exhaust. He said he was spiking to 20-22 psi and holding 18-20 psi. starting at 60 and went to about 115. He put 1 1/2 cars on me. I was very suprised. I have OTT Stage 1 and an intake. My iat2 was 150 after the run. So, going to re-run him once my heat exchanger is on. His car really looked good though. That's all.

BTW, this was on a closed road with no traffic
Sounds like he was lying about the turbo.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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If he says he is pushing that much power, than I'm surprised you hung with him at all. He should have put quite a few lengths on you, especially from a roll. Do you know what kind of #'s you're putting down?
Everyone says my car is a freak. I'm sure a few of the STL guys will come in and comment. with I have pulled a 2.8, 60's heat exchanger, trifecta tuned, and intaked SS/SC by 1 to 2 cars before when I only had OTT Stage 1. I don't know where my AFR is. Dyno numbers, not sure, I'd say around 250 maybe.

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Sounds like he was lying about the turbo.
He's not lying. I know that for a fact. He is once of the honest SRT-4 guys haha. He was extremely suprised I was that close.

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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 2006RedCobaltSS
Everyone says my car is a freak. I'm sure a few of the STL guys will come in and comment. with I have pulled a 2.8, 60's heat exchanger, trifecta tuned, and intaked SS/SC by 1 to 2 cars before when I only had OTT Stage 1. I don't know where my AFR is. Dyno numbers, not sure, I'd say around 250 maybe.



He's not lying. I know that for a fact. He is once of the honest SRT-4 guys haha. He was extremely suprised I was that close.
Just because you think he is honest doesnt mean he really is, just throwing that out there. There is a pretty big difference in power #'s between you 2, either he is lying or he messed up shifting.

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Hmmmmm, wonder what the 'ol skittle would have to say about a TVS....haha

Great run though. When they swap to bigger turbo's they can be nasty. Buddy of mine has one that is just over 400fwhp on a gt35 turbo.
Wonder what a TVS guy would say to a 50 trim, or stage 3?? There is a guy here who goes to the local 1/8 mile and he has stage 3 and bolt ons and he runs deep into the 7's in the 1/8 mile.

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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureEcotecOwner
Just because you think he is honest doesnt mean he really is, just throwing that out there. There is a pretty big difference in power #'s between you 2, either he is lying or he messed up shifting.



Wonder what a TVS guy would say to a 50 trim, or stage 3?? There is a guy here who goes to the local 1/8 mile and he has stage 3 and bolt ons and he runs deep into the 7's in the 1/8 mile.
I'll have someone that knows him better step in later. He has known him for a while. Just to put a factor into it, I put 6 cars on a SS/TC with exhaust. Since you have one, I just wanted to show a comparison with my car. This was from a 40 to 130.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:46 AM
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^wow 6 cars is a lot
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 2006RedCobaltSS
I'll have someone that knows him better step in later. He has known him for a while. Just to put a factor into it, I put 6 cars on a SS/TC with exhaust. Since you have one, I just wanted to show a comparison with my car. This was from a 40 to 130.
I will try and compare something too, which is gonna be hard, LOL. From a 40 roll my 05 Mustang GT stayed right with or barely pulled on an SRT-4 with exhaust, DP, intake, tranny and motor mounts, and wastegate. My SS/TC pulled my 05 Mustang GT from a 40 roll by about 5 cars up to 100mph. An exhaust only SS/TC is like racing a stock SS/TC due to the learn down feature. My intake and tune SS/TC is far different from a stock one.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Srt-4 > Ss/sc
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by FutureEcotecOwner
I will try and compare something too, which is gonna be hard, LOL. From a 40 roll my 05 Mustang GT stayed right with or barely pulled on an SRT-4 with exhaust, DP, intake, tranny and motor mounts, and wastegate. My SS/TC pulled my 05 Mustang GT from a 40 roll by about 5 cars up to 100mph. An exhaust only SS/TC is like racing a stock SS/TC due to the learn down feature. My intake and tune SS/TC is far different from a stock one.
Understood, and I was saying this because your car wasn't bought tuned, so I'm sure you know what a stock one is like.. And I have also beat a '05+ GT before. New ones don't impress me as much as 4v's. Not ragging on them, just saying.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 11:58 AM
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Understood, and I was saying this because your car wasn't bought tuned, so I'm sure you know what a stock one is like.. And I have also beat a '05+ GT before. New ones don't impress me as much as 4v's. Not ragging on them, just saying.
Before my tune on my SS/TC it couldnt beat my 05 GT from a dig or roll, but my GT isnt stock either. The only 4v's that are worth anything are 03/04 Cobras and the 03/04 Mach 1's. With my mods I have now I can beat Mach 1's. The 3v is really a good engine and takes to mods very well. Intake/tune on a 3v nets around 25-30whp, which is more than what it nets on any other Mustang, besides the GT500. I'm sure your SS/SC could take a stock 05+ GT from a roll with ease, but from a dig you might have a hard time putting the power to the ground.

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Srt-4 > Ss/sc
SS/TC > SRT-4 > SS/SC

Wait til my Brother sees this, LOL!!! He knows I love him and I'm just messing around!!

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Old May 8, 2009 | 12:04 PM
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I'm probably going with the stage kit mainly for warranty issues-sounds like I might need that and then some if we ever meet up. 6 cars=dayum! Have you done any weight reduction mods?
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[QUOTE=FutureEcotecOwner;3843154]Before my tune on my SS/TC it couldnt beat my 05 GT from a dig or roll, but my GT isnt stock either. The only 4v's that are worth anything are 03/04 Cobras and the 03/04 Mach 1's. With my mods I have now I can beat Mach 1's. The 3v is really a good engine and takes to mods very well. Intake/tune on a 3v nets around 25-30whp, which is more than what it nets on any other Mustang, besides the GT500. I'm sure your SS/SC could take a stock 05+ GT from a roll with ease, but from a dig you might have a hard time putting the power to the ground.

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I know it had exhaust. Don't know about anything else. It was just a random highway run. I have run at the track yet on the new set-p with my car, but I have run a 13.90 at 104. I think I will be in the 106 area now. I know a lot about mustangs. I had an '87 notch with a 306, ported e7's, lakewood springs, subframe connectors (Kenny Brown I think) and the bottle. 11.7's with a 1.4 60'. Also, the '99 and up cobra after the fix aren't bad platforms. The only difference between them and the Mach is the straight axle.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 12:11 PM
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[QUOTE=2006RedCobaltSS;3843197][QUOTE=FutureEcotecOwner;3843154]Before my tune on my SS/TC it couldnt beat my 05 GT from a dig or roll, but my GT isnt stock either. The only 4v's that are worth anything are 03/04 Cobras and the 03/04 Mach 1's. With my mods I have now I can beat Mach 1's. The 3v is really a good engine and takes to mods very well. Intake/tune on a 3v nets around 25-30whp, which is more than what it nets on any other Mustang, besides the GT500. I'm sure your SS/SC could take a stock 05+ GT from a roll with ease, but from a dig you might have a hard time putting the power to the ground.


I know it had exhaust. Don't know about anything else. It was just a random highway run. I have run at the track yet on the new set-p with my car, but I have run a 13.90 at 104. I think I will be in the 106 area now. I know a lot about mustangs. I had an '87 notch with a 306, ported e7's, lakewood springs, subframe connectors (Kenny Brown I think) and the bottle. 11.7's with a 1.4 60'. Also, the '99 and up cobra after the fix aren't bad platforms. The only difference between them and the Mach is the straight axle.
1.4 60" is one hell of a launch. I thought that was impressive in my AWD Syclone
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Old May 8, 2009 | 12:14 PM
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[QUOTE=2006RedCobaltSS;3843197][QUOTE=FutureEcotecOwner;3843154]Before my tune on my SS/TC it couldnt beat my 05 GT from a dig or roll, but my GT isnt stock either. The only 4v's that are worth anything are 03/04 Cobras and the 03/04 Mach 1's. With my mods I have now I can beat Mach 1's. The 3v is really a good engine and takes to mods very well. Intake/tune on a 3v nets around 25-30whp, which is more than what it nets on any other Mustang, besides the GT500. I'm sure your SS/SC could take a stock 05+ GT from a roll with ease, but from a dig you might have a hard time putting the power to the ground.


I know it had exhaust. Don't know about anything else. It was just a random highway run. I have run at the track yet on the new set-p with my car, but I have run a 13.90 at 104. I think I will be in the 106 area now. I know a lot about mustangs. I had an '87 notch with a 306, ported e7's, lakewood springs, subframe connectors (Kenny Brown I think) and the bottle. 11.7's with a 1.4 60'. Also, the '99 and up cobra after the fix aren't bad platforms. The only difference between them and the Mach is the straight axle.
There are other things in the engine that are different between the 2 I believe, and stock for stock the Mach is faster. From my personal experience, the 05+ GT's run around 13.6-13.7 stock, but I have seen 13.2-13.3 out of them with really good drivers stock. And I've also seen a few crack 12's with just intake/tune on stock tires.
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SS/TC > SRT-4 > SS/SC

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[QUOTE=FutureEcotecOwner;3843238][QUOTE=2006RedCobaltSS;3843197]
Originally Posted by FutureEcotecOwner
Before my tune on my SS/TC it couldnt beat my 05 GT from a dig or roll, but my GT isnt stock either. The only 4v's that are worth anything are 03/04 Cobras and the 03/04 Mach 1's. With my mods I have now I can beat Mach 1's. The 3v is really a good engine and takes to mods very well. Intake/tune on a 3v nets around 25-30whp, which is more than what it nets on any other Mustang, besides the GT500. I'm sure your SS/SC could take a stock 05+ GT from a roll with ease, but from a dig you might have a hard time putting the power to the ground.



There are other things in the engine that are different between the 2 I believe, and stock for stock the Mach is faster. From my personal experience, the 05+ GT's run around 13.6-13.7 stock, but I have seen 13.2-13.3 out of them with really good drivers stock. And I've also seen a few crack 12's with just intake/tune on stock tires.
I have seen that. I'm not saying they are slow. I just have my favorites. Probably due to my neighbor have a 500+ WHP '03. Changed the way I look at them. He traded is '06 with every option and 3,000 miles on it in for the Cobra. I'm pretty sure on svtperformance.com there is a bolt on '05 running low 12's. He may be on DR's but not sure.
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SS/SC TVS > stock SS/TC > SRT-4 > SS/SC
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SS/SC TVS > stock SS/TC > SRT-4 > SS/SC
Umm they're all FAIL
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Old May 8, 2009 | 12:27 PM
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this thread is full of teh funniez. your friend's ported stock turbo skittle should be over 300whp with the mods he has and that tune. he should've pulled on you way harder than 1 1/2 cars. and i call bs on you beating a new SS/TC by 5 cars that's like you saying your as quick as a tuned SS/TC. stock vs stock SS/TC=SRT-4 > SS/SC. i don't wanna hear about the one glory pass about that guy who ran a 13.56. most SS/TC drivers aren't gonna run that and a 13.6 for the skittle well most SRT-4 drivers aren't gonna run that. From a roll Ian's SRT-4 > the Mustang and that's seriously what i think though. just boost the Mustang and it's over.
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Old May 8, 2009 | 12:27 PM
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I was gonna get an 03/04 Cobra, but there werent very many around here and the ones that were had way too many miles, was beat to death, or was too expensive. I bought my 05 in 2006 with 12k miles on it for 22k. I found one 03/04 Cobra for that price, but it had like 100k miles on it, which is a no thanks. I know of a few 05+ GT's on Mustangforums.com who have ran 12's with just intake/tune on stock tires, and with bolt ons, tune and DR's some are deep into the 12's.
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Umm they're all FAIL
Your face is FAIL
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