View Full Version : JBP Vortex Eq. Length SS Header


JBP
10-21-2006, 10:28 PM
For those that have been following our header design and testing will be happy to know that production is just around the corner. A completed header is now available for view both in person at the JBP showroom or on the website in the Cobalt/Redline (http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/PartList.php?catId=39&catName=Exhaust&subCatId=223&genId=4&genName=Cobalt/Redline) section.

Please note that the header is not yet available for purchase until testing has been complete. So far, with current testing, (without tooting our own horn), all we have to say with regards to our header is WOW! :cool:

Dyno's coming soon!

BooSSted
10-22-2006, 12:50 PM
Looks amazing. I don't think I could bring myself to spend $900 on a header though ($789 + tax)

Is there any chance of the price coming down (alot). I know there is a ton of craftsmanship into that piece but I don't see the gains being worth the money.

hornetracer8
10-22-2006, 01:07 PM
Wow that is one sick looking header!! Let me wipe off the drool.... But as stated above I could not see diving $800 for a header..

Don't get me wrong that is a great piece and someone spent a lot of time on it..

Vette Jr.
10-22-2006, 01:24 PM
that is the craziest header ive ever seen

p7x
10-22-2006, 01:32 PM
Mother of GOD, for that price and design its better come with a blow job!!!

Looks good :twothumbs but LOL I am curious of fitment!

Shortbus
10-22-2006, 01:37 PM
Looks nice.

sethallen
10-22-2006, 01:37 PM
are ur prices listed in canadien?

2K5SS/SC?
10-22-2006, 01:40 PM
Can someone post pics on the ss.net gallery? I can't access JBP as it's blocked to me.

BooSSted
10-22-2006, 05:46 PM
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/4/0/1/1/jbp_vrthdr_ct.jpg

JCswoosher2
10-22-2006, 06:39 PM
yeah that is freaking cool as crap. but not $800 cool

CobaltSS422
10-22-2006, 06:42 PM
So is that considered a long tube header but made into a shorty? That is sick!!

Shortbus
10-22-2006, 07:07 PM
It does look nice, but i dont think i would spend 800$ on a header, not trying to bash, but i would like to see dynos compared to other headers out there, that are half the price.

JBP
10-22-2006, 08:09 PM
Guys, I love the fact that everyone is justifying the looks of the header. But believe me when I say that I spent a lot of time making this header work, not just look good. The sound is unbelievable. Its pretty much like nothing I've heard from an SS.

Also, I'm not the least bit surprised that people are doing double-takes at the price. The price was actually cheaper before, by about $100CDN a couple months ago. I had to raise it because the manufacturing cost was too high, we were paying ppl to buy `em. :)

I wish I could lower the price, but, such is the way w/costing. We'll try to do it differently Anyways, this header is essentially a long-tube header that fits into the stock location with a minor modification to the cylinder head and you can bolt up aftermarket exhausts. There's still enhancements to do to the unit we're using in testing (to squeeze every last ounce of power). I want to get at least 20~25WHP off a stock engine w/intake & exhaust only.

Vette Jr.
10-22-2006, 08:12 PM
that sounds pretty awsome

John
10-22-2006, 08:17 PM
mev id like to come take a look at this header some time this week is that possible

i got about 700 buck lying around in a change jar

hehehehe

JBP
10-22-2006, 10:00 PM
mev id like to come take a look at this header some time this week is that possible

drop by anytime....

cvenom2122
10-22-2006, 10:05 PM
i like it alot! if you can get respectable numbers ill sell all my 3 headers to peeps on forums and get that :twothumbs

CobaltSS422
10-23-2006, 12:54 AM
20-25hp from your header? that's awesome. Is there a down pipe your producing with this to match?

It looks mean as hell and im sure it performs that way too. If this header will put out about that much power the price is worth it. There other headers only make 7-10hp and they range from 299-499

HackAbuse
10-23-2006, 01:06 AM
http://cobaltss.net/gallery/files/4/0/1/1/jbp_vrthdr_ct.jpg

That picture just gave me a stiffy, the only way this thing could be better is if it was chrome plated

Gory
10-23-2006, 04:40 AM
Chrome lame :thumbsdow stainless is the shit nice looking header.

player_1
10-23-2006, 10:22 AM
Hey Mev just remember that you promised me the next header.
then I'll have the complete 3" JBP exhaust header, downpipe, & Cat. back. :twothumbs

distillion
10-23-2006, 11:42 AM
thats a sick lookin header.

Acidangel_5.0
10-23-2006, 11:48 AM
Guys, I love the fact that everyone is justifying the looks of the header. But believe me when I say that I spent a lot of time making this header work, not just look good. The sound is unbelievable. Its pretty much like nothing I've heard from an SS.

Also, I'm not the least bit surprised that people are doing double-takes at the price. The price was actually cheaper before, by about $100CDN a couple months ago. I had to raise it because the manufacturing cost was too high, we were paying ppl to buy `em. :)

I wish I could lower the price, but, such is the way w/costing. We'll try to do it differently Anyways, this header is essentially a long-tube header that fits into the stock location with a minor modification to the cylinder head and you can bolt up aftermarket exhausts. There's still enhancements to do to the unit we're using in testing (to squeeze every last ounce of power). I want to get at least 20~25WHP off a stock engine w/intake & exhaust only.


and what type mod to a cylinder head is "minor", elaborate please

2K5SS/SC?
10-23-2006, 11:56 AM
and what type mod to a cylinder head is "minor", elaborate please

That's what I'm wondering. I didn't like the sound of that at all. If you make 25whp on a stock motor from this header without tuning from HPT and I don't have to modify my head, you can have my cash straight up. If not, CTI it is. :cssNET:

2fastSS
10-23-2006, 11:58 AM
hey mev was wondering if your gonna make this header to fit into a 2 1/2 downpipe to bolt up to my corsa exhaust??

If so ill pay the money i like quality products

JBP
10-23-2006, 01:38 PM
Hey Mev just remember that you promised me the next header.
then I'll have the complete 3" JBP exhaust header, downpipe, & Cat. back.

Ed, you know I always look after you and yes, you are first in line. Just have to figure out this production thing along with all the other 50,000 things going on. Two weeks / header isn't gonna cut it.


and what type mod to a cylinder head is "minor", elaborate please

Seriously, It's really nothing. It's better to mention it then to have a customer receive the product and not have it fit just right. All you have to do is remove about ⅛" of material to clearance one of the primaries. The interference is from one valve cover bosses on the cylinder head. When one of the members here pays me a visit, I'll show `em and I guarantee you they'll say "oh, thats it??", and in retrospect, they'll say, "It really fits good!" (seeing as we have Victory's block at our disposal and he's opening avenues for everyone..)

Chrome lame stainless is the shit nice looking header.

yeah you don't chrome stainless... thats just sacrilige. It's a corrosion resistant metal that doesn't require any coating.

JBP
10-23-2006, 01:41 PM
hey mev was wondering if your gonna make this header to fit into a 2 1/2 downpipe to bolt up to my corsa exhaust??

If so ill pay the money i like quality products

Sorry, forgot about this question...

Hmm, I'll have to think about that. Our dump is 3.0" so, I'd have to do a special run of 2 1/2" flanges... It's a possibility..

CTCOBALTSSS
10-23-2006, 01:55 PM
Wow guys. that's one serious header. Good job! :twothumbs

http://www.jbodyperformance.com/new/images/jbp_vrthdr_ct.jpg

2fastSS
10-23-2006, 02:22 PM
make it happen and ill buy it

CobaltSS422
10-24-2006, 01:06 AM
if this thing makes 20-25hp.. i'll buy one... is there a DP to go alonhg with this header?

Brandon97Z
10-24-2006, 09:02 PM
I agree if it makes 20+ whp its worth it. And wouldn't mind having a 2.5" collector

Vette Jr.
10-24-2006, 09:09 PM
will this header have enough air-flow to be compatibe with those running large amounts of boost (20psi+)

CobaltSS422
10-25-2006, 12:25 AM
will this header have enough air-flow to be compatibe with those running large amounts of boost (20psi+)


Yea.. will it, will it?!? So curious.. and if that's 20hp just on a stock motor, that's sick! Us modded guys will be even more.

JBP,
I can't get over how sick that header looks. Long tubes crammed into stock sized manifold. I'm assuming we can purchase any DP that goes from 3" collector to 2.5" to fit to aftermarket exhausts. It seems most of the headers have a 3" collector

lsjwannabe
10-25-2006, 12:30 AM
very nice looking header i am very interested in numbers.

JBP
10-25-2006, 01:35 AM
will this header have enough air-flow to be compatibe with those running large amounts of boost (20psi+)

I believe you are asking if our long header will have the ability to flow without choking? Well, there's several comparisons that you can make with this header to somewhat answer the question in relation to existing headers and the stock manifold.
- The entire header is equal length. Nothing like this exists.
- The primaries are all tuned to an engine that will be modified with a 3.0" intake, and 3.0" exhaust at sustained response from 3000-stock redlined.
- Each primary is 1 5/8". Large in comparison to stock.

It's with these points that one can begin to see where this header may be beneficial to them.

if this thing makes 20-25hp.. i'll buy one... is there a DP to go alonhg with this header?

That's what were trying to squeeze. We'll see when we go testing in a week or so.

And wouldn't mind having a 2.5" collector

Seems like a lot of ppl want a 2.5" collector. This would really hinder flow as we have a special design inside the collector to promote flow for a 3.0" collector. Worst comes to worst, you might have to buy a JBP down pipe. :lol:

bamfnss
10-25-2006, 02:45 AM
hmmm.so damn tempting

1gmfanatik
10-25-2006, 02:50 AM
I second that..

2fastSS
10-25-2006, 02:52 AM
so your saying that the header is 3inch and then you can get your downpipe that will go from a 3.0 to 2 1/2 so it will fit into my corsa exhaust??

JBP
10-25-2006, 07:02 AM
so your saying that the header is 3inch and then you can get your downpipe that will go from a 3.0 to 2 1/2 so it will fit into my corsa exhaust??

Correct.

2K5SS/SC?
10-25-2006, 07:15 AM
I think the header should come with the downpipe, and be available separately if people want to go that route. $800ish for a header and downpipe that makes 20-25whp would be worth the money in my eyes.

1gmfanatik
10-25-2006, 07:17 AM
Damn..if this all works out, all I will have to do is come up with a decision on a good cat-back..I wonder what shippin on this to jersey would be??

JBP
10-25-2006, 09:08 AM
I think the header should come with the downpipe, and be available separately if people want to go that route. $800ish for a header and downpipe that makes 20-25whp would be worth the money in my eyes.

Would be nice to offer the header, downpipe and catback for $800, but it isn't feasible.


Damn..if this all works out, all I will have to do is come up with a decision on a good cat-back..I wonder what shippin on this to jersey would be??

We offer a 3.0" catback that we made specifically for our header flange (which is exactly like the stock flange). Check it out on our website in the exhaust section.:cool:

DWK5150
10-25-2006, 09:16 AM
When will these be avaliable?

2K5SS/SC?
10-25-2006, 09:20 AM
Would be nice to offer the header, downpipe and catback for $800, but it isn't feasible.

Oh, I'm just talking the header and downpipe for $800. :) I already have a 2.5" cat back exhaust, as do most people on here.

There should be two downpipe options, one that tapers out at 2.5" to meet up with most catbacks. Another to meet up with peoples 3" cat backs. Most of the other companies are offering these downpipe options, and in would be in your best interest to fit more applications with just a minorc hange to the downpipe. :twothumbs

shcwv
10-25-2006, 01:26 PM
Guys, I love the fact that everyone is justifying the looks of the header. But believe me when I say that I spent a lot of time making this header work, not just look good. The sound is unbelievable. Its pretty much like nothing I've heard from an SS.

Also, I'm not the least bit surprised that people are doing double-takes at the price. The price was actually cheaper before, by about $100CDN a couple months ago. I had to raise it because the manufacturing cost was too high, we were paying ppl to buy `em. :)

I wish I could lower the price, but, such is the way w/costing. We'll try to do it differently Anyways, this header is essentially a long-tube header that fits into the stock location with a minor modification to the cylinder head and you can bolt up aftermarket exhausts. There's still enhancements to do to the unit we're using in testing (to squeeze every last ounce of power). I want to get at least 20~25WHP off a stock engine w/intake & exhaust only.


I dont think he plans to get 20-25 just from the header. if you read carefully it says "i want to get at least 20-25 hp on a stock engine with intake and exhaust only." well a exhaust could mean a header, downpipe, race pipes, and a catback. if that is what he means that could get expensive for 25 hp in my opinion. sorry if i took what u said wrong and that is not what you meant.

vandy0419
10-25-2006, 01:53 PM
I'd like to see the dyno...but with a car that has a smaller pulley (for the LSJ guys). Preferably a car with a 2.8", stock exhaust. Most people are doing pulleys before exhausts anyways. Also, why so many wanting 2.5" flange? Most donwpipes are 3" at the top and 2.5" at the outlet so it is only what the inlet of the downpipe that matters.

2K5SS/SC?
10-25-2006, 02:02 PM
I'd like to see the dyno...but with a car that has a smaller pulley (for the LSJ guys). Preferably a car with a 2.8", stock exhaust. Most people are doing pulleys before exhausts anyways. Also, why so many wanting 2.5" flange? Most donwpipes are 3" at the top and 2.5" at the outlet so it is only what the inlet of the downpipe that matters.

I'd be will to test a dyno it on my car for a cut on the price! :twothumbs I want a 2.5" outlet on the downpipe to connect to my exhasut, I don't want a 2.5" collector. :cssNET:

RpSS4844
10-29-2006, 05:17 PM
When will these be avaliable?


ditto? any ideas yet guys?:poke:

GSoccer24
10-29-2006, 05:45 PM
damn it's like 4 times as much as most other headers, maybe if it were like 2 times as much because its twice the gains...but 4 times as costly...damn

looks sick and all but i don't think i could justify it, a stage kit from Cobalt-Addiction of the same price would do so much more performance wise.

Killa SS
10-29-2006, 05:59 PM
Sick ass lookin hear but for the price i could get a stage kit and push more power then wut it will give me. Deff. need a price drop or a DP with it. No Cat with 3"in inlet/outlet

BooSSted
10-29-2006, 06:38 PM
So go buy your stage kit, then come back and buy this and add another 20 hp on top of your stage kit.

Killa SS
10-30-2006, 11:59 AM
So go buy your stage kit, then come back and buy this and add another 20 hp on top of your stage kit.

im savin to install that in the spring. i doin full exhaust first then uppin the boost. so im lookin at headers right now. and these would be perfect. but so expensive!!!! grrr. o well. looks like i'll just have to save up a lil bit more.

GSoccer24
10-30-2006, 12:31 PM
So go buy your stage kit, then come back and buy this and add another 20 hp on top of your stage kit.
some of us don't have all the money in the world to dump into our cobalts and we have to make our money go a long way when we do spend it. if i had the cobalt when i had my last car it would have gotten the royal treatment but i'm still trying to pay back some of the $17k in mods i put into my last car.

twice the hp should be twice the price, four times is nuts. kinetix did the same thing with their intake manifold for the 350Z's and hardly anyone bought them because they were $850. a lot of them kept the $850 and put it into other mods.

don't forget they're claiming 20-25whp WITH 3.0" intake and 3.0" catback exhaust. what are the gains if you put the header on a bone stock car? probably not that much better than another header that it would warrant spending $800 on it rather than $200 on another brand. all the other brands claim power of the header alone. JBP has only listed numbers with supporting mods. i wonder why, i'd like to see the gains of just the header on a stock vehicle.

JBP
10-31-2006, 01:10 AM
some of us don't have all the money in the world to dump into our cobalts and we have to make our money go a long way when we do spend it. if i had the cobalt when i had my last car it would have gotten the royal treatment but i'm still trying to pay back some of the $17k in mods i put into my last car.

twice the hp should be twice the price, four times is nuts. kinetix did the same thing with their intake manifold for the 350Z's and hardly anyone bought them because they were $850. a lot of them kept the $850 and put it into other mods.

don't forget they're claiming 20-25whp WITH 3.0" intake and 3.0" catback exhaust. what are the gains if you put the header on a bone stock car? probably not that much better than another header that it would warrant spending $800 on it rather than $200 on another brand. all the other brands claim power of the header alone. JBP has only listed numbers with supporting mods. i wonder why, i'd like to see the gains of just the header on a stock vehicle.

There are many choices out there for headers and without final testing, we do not have final numbers to discuss any definitive results vs. other headers. Also, our header is being designed for a modified engine, not a stock engine for that reason that a modified engine will have increased VE vs. less boost and more work / litre displacement. It will be tuned not for just a stock engine, because modding doesn't stop at a header, it goes beyond that... this is what our header engineering encompasses.

At any rate, and not to sound repetitous; if the header is too expensive for a customer, there are plenty more to choose from.

2fastSS
10-31-2006, 01:33 AM
believe me there will be people buyin this header just come out with the numbers of how much hp and then well talk money.....

also, if you make your down pipe 2 1/2 so it will fit into my corsa exhaust i think you will have alot more customers....

CobaltSS422
10-31-2006, 02:27 PM
believe me there will be people buyin this header just come out with the numbers of how much hp and then well talk money.....

also, if you make your down pipe 2 1/2 so it will fit into my corsa exhaust i think you will have alot more customers....


I'm sure they will make a 3.0" and 2.5" DP


But I will for sure buy this header when it comes out. A header and DP are next on my mod list.. Along with that new hotness Hurst Shifter

NGalaxyTimmyo
10-31-2006, 03:33 PM
As long as it bolts up to the stock downpipe (not that I still have it) I'll be happy.

I'd like to see pics of where exactly you need to shave that 1/8 inch

BooSSted
10-31-2006, 11:57 PM
Question:

What are the chances of you guys making a header that isn't as extreme as this one? I would still like to have equal length primaries but they don't need to be as long. Just a suggestion, let us know if something like that may be in the works.

JBP
11-01-2006, 09:49 AM
Come Mid-End November, We're releasing the header with only a 3.0" dump. We have a 3.0" downpipe made by our manufacturer. A 2.5" shouldn't be difficult to offer.... We have no other header plans in our future, this will be the only one we make.

g5mike
11-16-2006, 01:59 PM
What is this slight modification you speak of to make it fit

DWK5150
11-16-2006, 03:39 PM
What is this slight modification you speak of to make it fit

You have to grind a boss off of the head from the factory casting or something like that. It was mentioned in another thread someplace.

BossHogg
11-16-2006, 03:56 PM
I wish I could lower the price, but, such is the way w/costing. We'll try to do it differently Anyways, this header is essentially a long-tube header that fits into the stock location with a minor modification to the cylinder head and you can bolt up aftermarket exhausts. There's still enhancements to do to the unit we're using in testing (to squeeze every last ounce of power). I want to get at least 20~25WHP off a stock engine w/intake & exhaust only.[/QUOTE]


no offense what so ever in any way.....but for 800 - 900 dollars you shouldn't have to modify anything

JBP
11-16-2006, 04:28 PM
no offense what so ever in any way.....but for 800 - 900 dollars you shouldn't have to modify anything

We're modifying production to try and actually get rid of this minor mod. It's just a space constraint issue...

player_1
11-17-2006, 05:20 PM
I saw the Header and what had to be ground, at it really is F%$# all (no big deal). but it is better that it's being fixed

dcsdillpickle
11-17-2006, 08:38 PM
i myself am a hvac guy and that is an impressive symphony of welding, i would just like confirmation that this will fit for the 2.4 guys?

g5mike
11-17-2006, 09:05 PM
i myself am a hvac guy and that is an impressive symphony of welding, i would just like confirmation that this will fit for the 2.4 guys?
it fits 100%

dcsdillpickle
11-17-2006, 09:28 PM
well if hahn doesnt hurry up im just going to stick to all motor and see where it takes me, at that point i will just drive my car to jbp and buy all of it right out of their shop

RpSS4844
11-26-2006, 10:45 PM
have i missed the latest updte on the header. wasnt it mentioned to be out end of NOV. What is the latest?

black06ss
11-26-2006, 11:29 PM
anyway i can be one of the first to get this here header i would love to get my hands on it.

RpSS4844
11-27-2006, 11:55 PM
..........jbp........are you there..............heeelllloooooo................. .anyone................

CobaltSS422
11-29-2006, 01:07 AM
if u go to their website the release date says december 1st

RpSS4844
11-29-2006, 01:32 AM
if u go to their website the release date says december 1st

indeed it does...........imagine that!!!!!!! (thnaks for pointing that out;) )

Does anyone know how "electropolished" compare to ceramic, or stainless? How corrosive resistant is it?

did the problem with having to grind on the head get fixed?

downpipe?

Jbody, can we get some pics of the inside of the collector?

i'm sure there will be some more later!

JBP
11-29-2006, 01:55 AM
Does anyone know how "electropolished" compare to ceramic, or stainless? How corrosive resistant is it?


Electropolishing is a method to remove strong extrusion marks and polish the primaries so they are not dull. The material stays the same, T304 Stainless Steel (medical grade).

did the problem with having to grind on the head get fixed?


We're working on that. It still might have to be done.

downpipe?


Early February.

Jbody, can we get some pics of the inside of the collector?


I will get some pics up on the website.

RL-2005
11-29-2006, 04:03 PM
is a dyno date set?

2K5SS/SC?
11-29-2006, 04:20 PM
Still watching this one...

CobaltSS422
12-01-2006, 03:58 AM
same here.. the header looks very impressive.. i love the way it looks.. hopefully it will perform that way too which i'm sure it will.. we can probably use any DP as long as it has a 3" flex pipe piece and then whatever size your exhaust is

black06ss
12-01-2006, 04:26 AM
its out today and i am excited i cant wait to hear the word on the gains. i am planning on getting this when i get home if the gains are there. and i more than likely will do full jbp if i go this route.

CobaltSS422
12-02-2006, 10:31 AM
What's involved in making this minor mod.. a dremel?


Holy crap.. I just read on their website....."With the best gains in the market, you are definatley getting what you pay for. In combination with our JBP Vortex exhaust and JBP Vortex intake, we've achieved an unpresidented full 31WHP gain! This is truly unbelivable and far exceeds our projected gains of 15-20WHP."


WOW

RpSS4844
12-03-2006, 01:14 AM
got those collector pics up yet? What are the overall #'s on the dynoed car? (i know 31 hp, but what did the car actually make? dyno kind?)

black06ss
12-03-2006, 04:35 AM
that sounds pretty tastey wish i could see their site so i could have a look around.

vandy0419
12-04-2006, 09:30 AM
Holy crap.. I just read on their website....."With the best gains in the market, you are definatley getting what you pay for. In combination with our JBP Vortex exhaust and JBP Vortex intake, we've achieved an unpresidented full 31WHP gain! This is truly unbelivable and far exceeds our projected gains of 15-20WHP."

To me this seems to say with the intake, 3" exhaust and the manifold they made 31whp...Isn't that what almost what everyone can make off of that? So the manifold was like 10whp?...maybe

2K5SS/SC?
12-04-2006, 10:46 AM
The only real way to tell is a before/after dyno on the same day at the same temp. I would probably guess the header contributed 15-20whp of that though.

NoRemorse
12-04-2006, 11:10 AM
To me this seems to say with the intake, 3" exhaust and the manifold they made 31whp...Isn't that what almost what everyone can make off of that? So the manifold was like 10whp?...maybe

wtf? your posting over here, but been missing from RLF!!

On topic:

I second the need for collector pics!

CobaltSS422
12-04-2006, 03:46 PM
To me this seems to say with the intake, 3" exhaust and the manifold they made 31whp...Isn't that what almost what everyone can make off of that? So the manifold was like 10whp?...maybe


It was with Intake, and 3" exhaust but still.. How much hp do u think u actually get from adding a CAI.. 3-5hp and adding a cat-back exhaust maybe around 10hp.. Just guessing... So 15-20hp for this header is awesome. That's more than anything that's out on the market right now.. I think I saw a dyno for the GMPP manifold and that had like a 5hp gain or something

NoRemorse
12-04-2006, 06:00 PM
It was with Intake, and 3" exhaust but still.. How much hp do u think u actually get from adding a CAI.. 3-5hp and adding a cat-back exhaust maybe around 10hp.. Just guessing... So 15-20hp for this header is awesome. That's more than anything that's out on the market right now.. I think I saw a dyno for the GMPP manifold and that had like a 5hp gain or something


I have yet to see actual number for this header. Maybe I just missed it

vandy0419
12-06-2006, 03:22 PM
I have yet to see actual number for this header. Maybe I just missed it

Nope, 31whp gain with an intake, manifold and exhaust is all. No number for just the manifold. Not sure if it was stock downpipe or not.

BravoPuma6
12-08-2006, 11:04 PM
dude i wanna buy one and put it on my coffee table. i cant deal with that slight modification to my engine. that things a tad over engineered man. it looks bad fucking ass, the damn thing is tits and by far the best looking header ever. but in terms of practicality....

JBP
12-09-2006, 07:31 AM
dude i wanna buy one and put it on my coffee table. i cant deal with that slight modification to my engine. that things a tad over engineered man. it looks bad fucking ass, the damn thing is tits and by far the best looking header ever. but in terms of practicality....

Thanks for the compliments in the looks department and the "over-engineered" compliment. But retract it back a couple steps as its "perfectly-engineered". The "slight modification" is no more as the production unit eliminates this step.

Nope, 31whp gain with an intake, manifold and exhaust is all. No number for just the manifold. Not sure if it was stock downpipe or not.

I have yet to see actual number for this header. Maybe I just missed it

We're testing the header, not a manifold. Also, the 30WHP gain as we've seen with the full JBP exhaust setup includes our " 3.0 inch " downpipe and I say this with reservation because there is a variation on the actual diameter of the JBP downpipe flange in the range of 3.75" for increased flow. To test the header with a stock exhaust and intake isn't why we designed this header. We've engineered the header to work in combination with a 3.0" exhaust and 3.0" Air Intake. Which is why we got the big numbers we got. We realize that the majority of customers aren't going to just slap in the header and be done with it. They'll install the header, install the exhaust, intake, port the head, cams, etc... JBPs' vortex header is for that type of customer, who goes all out.

BravoPuma6
12-09-2006, 11:34 AM
Thanks for the compliments in the looks department and the "over-engineered" compliment. But retract it back a couple steps as its "perfectly-engineered". The "slight modification" is no more as the production unit eliminates this step.


sorry bout the over engineered thing. it looks bad ass, i wanna buy a bunch and have them colored different colors, i swear it fucking art! and too expensive. i cant hold a hammer to save my life. hence why im not willing to do that slight mod. imagine me showing up to the dealer and asking them to perform the mod lol. it looks bad ass and i am absolutely dieing to hear it. what did you mean by the production unit eliminates the slight mod? i wont have to shave and scrape? i understand why its so expensive, just look at it! but any chance of that price coming down a bit. any more pics of the header? and the collector?

JBP
12-09-2006, 12:51 PM
sorry bout the over engineered thing. it looks bad ass, i wanna buy a bunch and have them colored different colors, i swear it fucking art! and too expensive. i cant hold a hammer to save my life. hence why im not willing to do that slight mod. imagine me showing up to the dealer and asking them to perform the mod lol. it looks bad ass and i am absolutely dieing to hear it. what did you mean by the production unit eliminates the slight mod? i wont have to shave and scrape? i understand why its so expensive, just look at it! but any chance of that price coming down a bit. any more pics of the header? and the collector?

I love the comment about a piece of art. :lol: Maybe the ROM (royal ontario musem) might take it as a piece depicting the struggle of modern man. ;)

I tried to get a material cost break-down a while back with 10 units and it still worked out to like a saving of only $20 bucks/header. It's just so expensive because of the materials. If we can figure out a way to make the header, cheaper, it'll be posted right away.

RL-2005
12-11-2006, 10:01 AM
one question for JBP though:

Was your baseline done with the 3" intake and full 3" exhaust?

Or did you gain 30 whp by adding all three items?

NGalaxyTimmyo
12-11-2006, 02:56 PM
Thanks for the compliments in the looks department and the "over-engineered" compliment. But retract it back a couple steps as its "perfectly-engineered". The "slight modification" is no more as the production unit eliminates this step.

Well, if you guys worked that slight mod out, then theres no way I'm not getting this now. I was thinking about it before, but now it's a sure thing

Ljavy17
12-11-2006, 03:00 PM
looks so sexy, I cant help it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................. ..........................wow, that was strong.

JBP
12-12-2006, 03:02 PM
looks so sexy, I cant help it. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................. ..........................wow, that was strong.


Clean up after yourself mang... ;)


one question for JBP though:

Was your baseline done with the 3" intake and full 3" exhaust?

Or did you gain 30 whp by adding all three items?

Stock, then add on all exhaust components and CAI.

CobaltSS422
12-12-2006, 06:05 PM
Awesome.. It's a definate purchase for me as well.. as for the down pipe.... the header has a 3" collector right? I have the Corsa Sport cat-back, so I can purchase a DP that goes from 3" to 2.5"?

JBP
12-12-2006, 06:23 PM
Awesome.. It's a definate purchase for me as well.. as for the down pipe.... the header has a 3" collector right? I have the Corsa Sport cat-back, so I can purchase a DP that goes from 3" to 2.5"?

We're offering the header with a 2.5" collector AND 2.5" downpipe to server the masses. whatever you guys want, we'll make.

CobaltSS422
01-10-2007, 11:39 PM
So is there anything new with this? Is the slight modification not needed anymore? Could I have the collector 3" and a 3" to 2.5" DP to connect to the exhaust in case i ever upgrade to a full 3" exhaust? Obviously it's better to combine the Vortex DP with the Vortex Header any reason why another DP won't work? I'm probably going to purchase within the next couple weeks. Want to have it and install it for spring time. Man i can't wait!!

ps. and what about the 02 sensor spot. I need the stock location because I don't have a wideband yet

Try2k
04-08-2007, 04:29 AM
bump for ^^^^^ answers

Toronto SS
05-02-2007, 04:16 AM
does anyone have the JBP header in their balt? if so how do you like it?

05REDROCKET
05-02-2007, 07:44 AM
Does it fit yet?

Jmc007
08-01-2007, 02:16 AM
Anyone run this baby ?

player_1
08-04-2007, 12:13 PM
I got it, makes my exhaust sound alot deeper.
the person who tuned my car said it's the first header that has actually made enough of a differance that he wanted to tweak the tune again.

Matty
08-04-2007, 12:27 PM
I got it, makes my exhaust sound alot deeper.
the person who tuned my car said it's the first header that has actually made enough of a differance that he wanted to tweak the tune again.

I thought it wouldn't fit.

Jmc007
08-04-2007, 01:25 PM
If it wouldn't fit then I don't think JBP would continue to sell it. There's probably a very minor adjustement to make it fit ...

Matty
08-05-2007, 02:10 PM
If it wouldn't fit then I don't think JBP would continue to sell it. There's probably a very minor adjustement to make it fit ...

Actually there were a couple of guys who couldn't get it to fit. And if I remeber correctly it was said the engine had to be tilted or things had to be removed to shoehorn it in there.

player_1
08-06-2007, 06:45 PM
it was really tight true, but the place I tried to get it installed the first time didn't put much effort into it.
I went into an exhaust shop and they installed it no problem.
but it is vary tight.
I cut asection of the fire wall insulation tarp so it wasn't rubbing all the time.

Pickles
11-07-2007, 01:21 AM
To all who are interested in some of this jbp stuff, be wary. Of all the parts I purchased, none of it was right, and the header had to be sent back because it was warped. For the price that i was charged for the "vortex" exhaust system, I could have put together my own three inch setup, and probably paid less than a third of what i did. This is aside from the fact that the downpipe pointed toward the driver side of the car instead of down the center of the exhaust channel, and the 8 inch gap we found between the end of the resonator section and the axle back piece. (this had to be filled in with a section of 3 inch pipe that had to be purchased).

This is only some of the issues encountered when dealing with this company, and I am only posting some of these examples so that some of you don't risk the same experience I encountered.