Ok I've contacted Global, CTV, the Hearald and will be calling the SUN shortly...

They have asked for me to forward letters that have been sent to the officials as well as the pictures from the day.

I will be doing this tomorrow as I wanted to give everyone a chance to post their letters here and I will then follow up with this tomorrow and submit them all to the agencies.

Please remember these letter MUST BE PROFESSIONAL in nature and Please include how you felt about the officers actions towards you (harassing, beligerent etc.)

What I would like to see this turn into is a story about how Car Enthusiasts are being targeted and harassed for the actions of the other "Ricers" and "Stunt'ers"

Please get back to me as well

***BE AWARE*** I have mentioned that we were there for a small meet and scoping the area out for a potential Western Canadian / US meet location for Spring of next year when this incident occured, so please mention something to that effect should you feel the need.

Thanks guys and if you need a guide line please see KASIOBoy's post:

Heres the info for complaints once again for that (Y)-O-shit.


cst. Dave Kyllio
municipal enforcement
phone: 403-887-1136
e-mail: bylaw@sylvanlake.ca

badge #: 11671
personal phone?: 373-7301

his letter I just sent to Sylvan Lake By-law municipal enforcement office.

I embelished on the reason we were there just to get the point across.

Subject: A fun day ruined - Cops Kibosh Cobalt Meet 12/08/2007

To whom it may concern

A group from our Calgary and Edmonton car club decided to check out locations for an up-coming meet involving members through out Alberta in which Sylvan Lake and the surrounding area were among our top choices as it is central on the premise of contacting the Town of Sylvan Lake to plan a future event and location.

When they arrived at Sylvan Lake they were profiled and harassed by officer (Dave Kyllio - See officer info below.) from Sylvan Lake police department. I was told that a formal complain was received and that two Cobalt’s were the culprits but no license plate information was available to accurately pinpoint the vehicles involved. The officer then proceeded to hand out citations for various infractions to the owners of the vehicles such as (Parking the wrong way, tinted windows, tinted tail lights, ect.). Yes they did park the wrong way and yes their windows were tinted and such but as this was all going on there were many vehicle with the same infractions parked all around us. So my question to you is. Is he going to ticket all of them too, I think not. Is this the way Sylvan Lake treats it tourists? I surely hope not unless you are trying to get rid of transient tourist just coming down to enjoy the day.

We have since decided that the actions taken by your police detachment and officer were unwarranted and that he singled out, harassed, and humiliated our members. We will find another venue which is less hostile to its tourists. I/we will be sure to pass the events of the day along to the Media, family members, friends, school groups, church groups and anyone else who may be considering Sylvan Lake for a visit as we the public will not tolerate this behavior.

Thanks to the officer for ruining what could/was supposed to be a fun day for all and possibly commerce for your town.

cst. Dave Kyllio
municipal enforcement
phone: 403-887-1136
e-mail: bylaw@sylvanlake.ca

badge #: 11671
personal phone?: 373-7301

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PS Any US Owners who would like to put in their 2 cents in letter form please do so again please keep this in good taste.

Let em have it.I really don't think the mayor of that town is gonna let this get that far,I'm sure within a few days you guys will have what you want.

Ok I've contacted Global, CTV, the Hearald and will be calling the SUN shortly...

They have asked for me to forward letters that have been sent to the officials as well as the pictures from the day.

I will be doing this tomorrow as I wanted to give everyone a chance to post their letters here and I will then follow up with this tomorrow and submit them all to the agencies.

Please remember these letter MUST BE PROFESSIONAL in nature and Please include how you felt about the officers actions towards you (harassing, beligerent etc.)

What I would like to see this turn into is a story about how Car Enthusiasts are being targeted and harassed for the actions of the other "Ricers" and "Stunt'ers"

Please get back to me as well

***BE AWARE*** I have mentioned that we were there for a small meet and scoping the area out for a potential Western Canadian / US meet location for Spring of next year when this incident occured, so please mention something to that effect should you feel the need.

Thanks guys and if you need a guide line please see KASIOBoy's post:



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PS Any US Owners who would like to put in their 2 cents in letter form please do so again please keep this in good taste.

I suggest you leave out the Piece-o-shit comment I made in my post. haha

is there a link where i can read the original posts about the incident?
i'm interested

i don't understand the issue here. Unless i am missing something and he verbally/physically harassed you, he did nothing wrong. So what if other people had the same mods and he didn't ticket them? that's like saying, "that guy was street racing too, why doesn't he get a ticket?" All he has to say is he didn't see it. You broke the law and got citations for it, i don't understand what the big deal is. Sorry if i am missing something and the officer did do something wrong, but what i gathered from that letter is the officer came over to your vehicles to see if you were the culprits and ticketed you for the illegal modifications to your car... from the letter it just sounds like he did his job. If this is not the case, i suggest you include more details, but if it is the case, i don't know what you are trying to achieve with these letters.

sigh
Personally, I think that this is a waste of time and energy. But you're entitled to do it for whatever reason you like. Good luck either way.

i don't understand the issue here. Unless i am missing something and he verbally/physically harassed you, he did nothing wrong. So what if other people had the same mods and he didn't ticket them? that's like saying, "that guy was street racing too, why doesn't he get a ticket?" All he has to say is he didn't see it. You broke the law and got citations for it, i don't understand what the big deal is. Sorry if i am missing something and the officer did do something wrong, but what i gathered from that letter is the officer came over to your vehicles to see if you were the culprits and ticketed you for the illegal modifications to your car... from the letter it just sounds like he did his job. If this is not the case, i suggest you include more details, but if it is the case, i don't know what you are trying to achieve with these letters.

please see this post and then you will understand!!!!!

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71327

Good Luck Guys!!!! I hope you are able to get some sort of resolution(sp)!!!!!

dude,

I respect your efforts, but your doing what the cops want..

your getting out of their town, and they sent that message clear to you guys...Not saying that is right... but your sorta giving in lol
good luck man I'd still do the meets, just be sure your cars are legal so they cant do shit.

I think this is more of a small town Canada kinda thing. The citations they received were somewhat uncalled for. In a small town of 10,000 people you'd expect the cops to let something like tinted windows to slide. In sure the crime rate in Sylvan Lake is non-existent and for the cop to pick on those guys is excessive.

please see this post and then you will understand!!!!!

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=71327

Good Luck Guys!!!! I hope you are able to get some sort of resolution(sp)!!!!!

understand what? I went to the thread. I got an MIP when i was 16 blowing a .034. That is .014 over the legal limit for a minor in michigan, you can blow that much from drinking a glass of wine. That is a total dick move by the cop and alot of people would say he is an asshole and he was an asshole, but the fact is i broke the law and he has every right to give me an MIP. You don't see me writing letters to the city about it. Have none of these guys ever met a dick cop before? i'd say 40% of cops are assholes, but you only give them power when you get caught breaking the law and these guys broke the law. They got ticketed for breaking the law and unless there was an abuse of power situation or this cop did something illegal, i really dont care what the situation was, quit whining about it and move on. Im not trying to be an asshole here, but come on guys, you can't actually complain about not being let off for breaking the law.

they werent parked illegally.
the guy obviously profiled them because it was a group of similar tuner cars parked together....
and did his best to fuck their day up when they were doing nothing wrong.

I dont know how things work down there....but up here basically you wont get in trouble for your tint unless you are doing something stupid like street racing, speeding, etc etc

Cops dont give out tickets for tint just because you have tint.

I agree with cakeeater. I mean not to be a prick but, you cant expect to go to a car meet and not have police check you all out. Some modifications to cars are legal, some are not, if police believe that there is a chance someone is going to break the law it is there job to be there. Unfortunately it sounds like they were right to check out the meet becuase low and behold people had modifications to their cars that were not legal. I mean a few years back i had no front plate on my car, and I got a ticket for it as I left a local car show, but I didn't write a letter and get all bent out of shape. I mean, I made myself conspicuous and was breaking the law could I expect to happen?? maybe I'm missing something but it sounds like a similar circumstance.

I don't know what its like in canada...but here in Pa they can not tickets you unless you are traveling in your car, with mods, including tint!!!!

You folks aren't seeing the big picture here. We are not trying to piss people off. We are trying to get recognition to the fact that when people take prid in the way thier ride looks, like in this situation in which we were doing nothing but hanging out it was all over board, and like I stated in the letter yes the cop did nothing wrong by issueing the tickets it was the way he went about it. In Alberta yes it is ilegal to have tinted tail lites and yes it is ilegal to tint your side windows but in the most part it is over looked. I have seen many police cruisers with side tinted windows. The other part of the story is we felt singled out because there was a report of two cobalts rippin up the streets of Sylvan but the officer decided it was one of use without proof. (I guess we were in the wrong place at the wrong time) Not to mention the countless cars that were parked all around us with tinted windows and the fact that he would not let us explain that none of the vehicles pressent were involved in that incident. The other thing was was the fact that he was Damb rude.

We here in Calgary have a very good repore with the Police and at our meets they always come around and talk shop and never once have I ever seen a ticket given out for tinting. Now if there is a report of racing or stunting yes they will come and ask questions and take plate numbers and such and rightfully so.

So unless you are going to take the time to read the original post and ask us some intelligent question please do not comment on the situation.

PS thanks PinkStripedCobalt:twothumbs

PS thanks PinkStripedCobalt:twothumbs

Your welcome!!!! :)

they werent parked illegally.
the guy obviously profiled them because it was a group of similar tuner cars parked together....
and did his best to fuck their day up when they were doing nothing wrong.

I dont know how things work down there....but up here basically you wont get in trouble for your tint unless you are doing something stupid like street racing, speeding, etc etc

Cops dont give out tickets for tint just because you have tint.

i guess you didn't read the part of the letter where he says, "yes we were parked the wrong way." ;) . All im saying is you can't expect to be let off for breaking the law. You are LUCKY if you don't get a ticket for tints if they are illegal and the cop that lets it slide is cool, but there is no reason for them not to ticket you. There is a reason certain tints are illegal and when you buy tints you need to realize you are running the risk of getting a ticket and having them removed because they are illegal. Be happy you aren't one of the guys in canada that got their cars crushed just because they were illegally modified. I don't understand what you are trying to get out of writing these letters. You aren't going to get let off, you broke the law. Are you trying to get the cop into trouble?

parked the wrong way to what people usually do, does not make it illegal.
its not illegal to back into a parking stall.

Well I certainly wish you all the best luck in the world with this but you do realize your painting a BULLSEYE on your cars and yourselves.

Cops can be pricks and cops on a power trip suck but you have to learn how to play the game or you'll get burned in the end.

Be careful and good luck.

keep in mind guys.....
this was a rent-a-cop.....

a bylaw officer....
and even the actual police RCMP were saying he was being a dick, but didnt want to cross boundaries on his tickets.

Bylaw officers are known for being anal about stupid stuff....and having superiority complexes because they arent really a cop.

I had one pull me over cruising at 30km/h for the noise of my GMPP Catback.....

So it wasn't a real cop? WTF! Canada is wierd if rent a cops can wright tickets like this.

Down here only a real cop can wright you up.

I don't know what its like in canada...but here in Pa they can not tickets you unless you are traveling in your car, with mods, including tint!!!!

Not sure on that one. I will have to look that up on the Vehicle act.

go for it man. whatever you decide just know (personally be a member here) im with you all the way man. 100% got nothing to lose besides paying for those tickets other than that you got for it. decide what you think is best. good luck man i'll pray for you.....

keep in mind guys.....
this was a rent-a-cop.....

a bylaw officer....
and even the actual police RCMP were saying he was being a dick, but didnt want to cross boundaries on his tickets.

Bylaw officers are known for being anal about stupid stuff....and having superiority complexes because they arent really a cop.

I had one pull me over cruising at 30km/h for the noise of my GMPP Catback.....

Wooowhooo, An0m. You tell em son.:twothumbs :guns: :lol:

getting a ticket for drugs is way different then getting one for tint man. its a totally different situation when you get pulled over and are a minor under the influence, then it is when your walking back to your car with a cop waiting for you with tickets.

plus when an rcmp officer backs into an angled parking stall right next to us and tells us that were parked illegally and are getting the tickets that the sylvan lake cop was giving us it kind of says "screw you were above everyone else and can do what we want"

To the guys who are saying were taking this to far… This is the point I’m trying to make here that how often is it that those of us who are simply car enthusiasts and have nice cars which we’ve put work into for our various reasons – how often are we harassed of profiled for this? It happens to often for my tastes, especially when you will see some 70 yr old man with his 50’s classic with similar mods or w/e and he’s let go… new cars with mods get tagg’d a lot more and that’s my issue here this isn’t about the cop.

I understand we were in the wrong and hell I was the first to walk up to the nice cop and shake his hand and thank him for his assistance in this matter and his explanation of what happened. So its not at all about the incident it’s the fact that he had a supposed report that there were 2 cobalts speeding around town and stunting and then proceeded to see our cars parked there and assume we were the culprits and be bligerent to us when we were respectful to him.

Anyway you may not agree with it, that’s fine but issues like this will continue to go on until someone makes some noise, I’m sure if you posted this type of complaint on other enthusiast sites you’d get a similar response without it being brought into the public eye it wont stop plain and simple.


IMPORTANT POINT OF INTEREST:

The Herald just called me back and want to run the story tomorrow so I have a dead line of 5pm (Calgary Time MST) today SO PLEASE get your comments / letters posted here ASAP!

rent a cops cant really do shit those tickets might as well be toilet paper so u can wipe ur ass with them. only a real cops tickets can make it in front of a judge, down here only real cops can give u tickets, rent a cops or security guards can hold you there till a real cop gets there, as far as window tint goes i have mine tinted 20% all around and legal here is 42% I drive right beside cops all the time and noone ever flashes lights or pulls me over or anything. Hell if you guys who got tickets have a cool eye doctor you can get him to write a letter stating that ur eyes are sensitive to light and you have to have window tint:twothumbs

congrats on the feedback from the herald.
be sure and get copies of the article up for everyone to read!

any news from global yet?

dude,

I respect your efforts, but your doing what the cops want..

your getting out of their town, and they sent that message clear to you guys...Not saying that is right... but your sorta giving in lol
good luck man I'd still do the meets, just be sure your cars are legal so they cant do shit.

Hey Codyak

This town is a resort town. In the winter it is a ghost town. The make there yearly profit in the summer months from the tourists.

:twothumbs

Ok I've contacted Global, CTV, the Hearald and will be calling the SUN shortly...

They have asked for me to forward letters that have been sent to the officials as well as the pictures from the day.


I should get rep for telling you to do this great job guys have that man's job that... well I was told to keep if formal.
Jason

getting a ticket for drugs is way different then getting one for tint man. its a totally different situation when you get pulled over and are a minor under the influence, then it is when your walking back to your car with a cop waiting for you with tickets.

i wasn't driving, i was in the back seat of a friend's car who got pulled over for doing 5 over and since he was out passed his curfue (because of probation) we had to get out of the car and the cop said he smelled liquour on me...well i had about 3/4 of a beer earlier and i had gum in my mouth. complete bull shit, but i broke the law so i have to deal with it. Again, what are you trying to achieve? I can't see what you are going to get by writing these letters saying, "yes we broke the law, but the cop was an ass to us." I really don't understand it, cops are usually assholes, at least to teenagers.

I should get rep for telling you to do this great job guys have that man's job that... well I was told to keep if formal.
Jason

Repped...

Canadian Automotive Tint Laws

The laws regarding window film vary from province to province. The following are a summation of the laws in each province:

British Columbia - No film is permitted on the driver’s compartment, right and left. Any film may be installed on the side windows behind the driver. Any film may be applied to the rear window, provided the vehicle has 2 exterior rear view mirrors.

Alberta - Same as British Columbia.

Saskatchewan - Same as British Columbia.

Manitoba - For driver’s compartment, right and left, the minimum visible light transmittance, net, is 50%. The maximum visible light transmittance, net, is 35%. For windows behind the driver’s compartment, the minimum Visible Light Transmittance, net, is 35%. Where film is installed behind the driver’s compartment, 2 external rear view mirrors are required. The net figures that are allowed are enforced at plus or minus 5%.

Ontario - For the driver’s compartment, right and left, no film can be installed that would substantially obscure visibility from the exterior. Behind the driver’s compartment, any film can be installed.

Quebec - For the driver’s compartment, right and left, the minimum Visible Light Transmittance is 70% on automotive net basis. Any film may be installed behind the driver’s compartment, provided the vehicle is outfitted with 2 exterior rear view mirrors.

New Brunswick - Same as Ontario.

Prince Edward Island - Same as British Columbia.

Nova Scotia - No film is permitted on any glazing surface.

Newfoundland - Same as Ontario.

NOTE: Laws vary from province to province and may change at any time. Courage Distributing recommends you call your local police for the most current regulations in your province. Best efforts are made to ensure the accuracy of this website and the information contained within it. However, Courage Distributing Inc. and Courage Distributing West Inc. and/or its agents does not warranty (implied or expressed) that any of the material, content, information or data contained in this website is complete, accurate or current.


Please Tint Legally!!

yeh Right:guns: Rebel without a cause!:guns:

i wasn't driving, i was in the back seat of a friend's car who got pulled over for doing 5 over and since he was out passed his curfue (because of probation) we had to get out of the car and the cop said he smelled liquour on me...well i had about 3/4 of a beer earlier and i had gum in my mouth. complete bull shit, but i broke the law so i have to deal with it. Again, what are you trying to achieve? I can't see what you are going to get by writing these letters saying, "yes we broke the law, but the cop was an ass to us." I really don't understand it, cops are usually assholes, at least to teenagers.

AGAIN please refer to my reply 2 - 4 post above your above post.

parked the wrong way to what people usually do, does not make it illegal.
its not illegal to back into a parking stall.

depending on area laws

at least hear that would be seen as "displaying" our cars... as we came across in one of our Nor Cal meets, when in fact.. we just backed into the parking stalls...

Im not sure where the negative attention comes from the police, but I agree someone should speak up.

awesome! im gonna write my letter when i get home!

**Cross Posted to the Cops Kybosh Cobalt Thread**

Here's my letter

To Whom It May Concern:

Subject: Sylvan Car meet ruined and drivers harassed / profiled by local officials.

Please find this letter in regards to the recent actions of one Cst. Dave Kyllio of the Municipal Enforcement department of Sylvan Lake - Badge number 11671.

On Sunday August 12, 2007, several fellow members of the North American forum Cobaltss.net arrived in Sylvan Lake for a morning meet; the purposes of this meet was to show off our cars as well as take several pictures in effort to organize a future meet in spring of 2008 consisting of Western Canadian and potentially some US members. Upon arriving to the township we quickly washed our cars and proceeded to the main drag where we parked the cars facing Sylvan lake and the main street. We proceeded to visit the local businesses and an hour later returned to the cars to find Cst. Kyllio writing tickets.

As I was ahead of the others I ran ahead to inquire what the citation was for. Upon approaching the officer I was instantly told “Don’t even think about moving your cars, they’re all getting tickets and will be towed” I attempted to ask the officer why we were receiving the citations and was told greeted with another off hand flippant comment. At this point the officer observed the group of owners approaching from behind me and immediately radioed for backup and the RCMP support.

Both in my own and fellow members opinions this was completely unwarranted and an uncalled for action since none of us approached the officer in any manner that could have been misconstrued as offensive or threatening. We remained at a safe distance and continued to try to approach him in a civil and open manner, we can understand if in fact Cst. Kyllio felt threatened by 6 males and 2 females however again I stress that we maintained a safe distance, made no threatening actions and maintained a civil tone during the confrontation.

After calling for his backup several other members asked the officer what the infractions were for and again received similar treatment and uncalled for rudeness. It was at this time that the constable informed us the tint on the cars were also illegal and that we either had to immediately peel the tint off or have the cars impounded and towed back to our respective cities and held in the impound lots, in addition to receiving a 150 dollar fine for the tint. Again the officer would not clarify why this was taking place nor answer our questions regarding the group understanding that we were not required to peel the tint off on site as the result would likely damage to the window’s internal mechanism and could have the potential to further impair visibility by the remaining glue. We were under the impression based on previous information gained by other members through conversations with local authorities that we were able to take a fine/ticket and then arrive and prove at a later date that the tint had been removed.

Finally once 2 other officers arrived on site, Cst. Kyllio instructed us to talk to the other officer stating “I don’t have time to deal with this” It was at this time that I would like to thank the other peace officer for taking the time to actually explain why we were receiving the tickets and clarify what our options were and what was taking place.

Again during this time frame both the second officer as well as the RCMP officer who had arrived (and parked in the exact same position as we were parked – thus also being illegally parked as well) commented that Cst. Kyllio’s actions were excessive and he was being unfair but as he was the officer on scene first they were unable to over ride his actions and if it had been up to them they would have issued the parking ticket and asked us to leave, which we were very willing to do – however again we were not given that opportunity / chance.

The entire time that this fiasco was taking place several other vehicles all with illegal tint parked around us, or were there prior to our arrival, in addition to 2 other trucks who had parked illegally across several stalls and again I stress no tickets were issued to these other vehicles neither prior no after our incident with the constable. Several of the other cars that were guilty of similar infractions were of higher “quality” cars (IE a lexus, corvette and 2 mustangs) and none of these were ticketed nor the owners confronted when the stood by watching as Cst. Kyllio humiliated our members.

The officer mentioned during his curtness that they had also received a report that 2 black “sporty” cars had been “stunting” on 50th Ave. When I inquired where this avenue is I was told it was several blocks from where we were, this was an impossibility as when we arrived in town we proceeded to the carwash off the main street then proceed down the main street and parked. When we were confronted with this information we felt profiled and targeted simply because of the number of cars and fact that all our cars were “sporty” in nature.

This is the ultimate underlying concern of my letter today – the fact that the responding officer received a complaint of 2 black sports cars “stunting” – no license plates nor further descriptions were given and upon his own investigation Cst. Kyllio noted our cars parked in a row arrived at the assumption that we must have been those culprits and subsequently treated us in a manner that I would not even expect from a parent disciplining their child.

An hour and half after I first confronted the constable we were finally allowed to move our vehicles once the tint was manually removed and he had completed thoroughly humiliated all of our members. We subsequently left the township and proceeded to Red Deer to salvage what was left of our day trip.

This type of action is of grave concern to our members and myself as we feel we were singled out, targeted and subsequently humiliated by Cst. Kyllio in a manner that was uncalled for and very unbecoming of any officer whom is supposed to represent the provincial authority and uphold the law.

We fully understand the need for today’s police to be skeptical of modified cars however at what point does this type of action cross the line and become profiling in nature. We maintain that we are simple car enthusiasts out for a day trip, scoping a very attractive location for a future car enthusiast meet and with the intention of bringing further tourism dollars to a provincial hot spot that ultimately thrives on the spring and summer traffic for a large amount of its annual income.

Other members since have since consulted with various other car enthusiast clubs and are of the same opinion that this type of actions by authorities must be quelled; several other enthusiasts have had similar situations arise from simply being a fan of their cars and wanting to take pride in their possessions. This type of stereotyping is uncalled for as it’s unfair and ultimately against the rights and freedoms that these law enforcement officers have sworn to uphold.

In closing I would like to stress that Cst. Kyllio’s actions while warranted with respect to the infractions were uncalled for in his harassing, humiliating and ultimately tactless approach of how he handled the situation and as a result both myself and fellow members have and are continuing to make every effort to bring awareness to this treatment. We have been in contact with several local news authorities and have been asked to provide statements and photographs of the incident and it is my hope that this information will have a negative impact on the future tourism of this municipality as many other enthusiasts regularly visit this “Albertan Hotspot” and if they are aware of the type of treatment they can expect from the local authorities it is my hope it curbs their enthusiasm to visit.

Thank you for your time and I hope there will be sufficient actions taken as a result of this unfortunate situation.

Sincerely,

James J. Purvis

Damn dude, Nice letter!

Bring down da house!

Well said James. You just put my letter to shame...haha

Yeah, you made everyone else look like a bunch of dumbasses

hahahaha...F**ker. Just jokes.

lol ^_^ not the intention but yeah I used to have to prepare police statements in detail when I used to work security so I felt that the level of detail would be important.

Thanks for the comments though ^_^

Should get our support. For instance, now I won't go to that town myself. Maybe show them that x thousand people now refuse to come to thier town. Pick up a few more car forums for petitions. Would be nice to even have some car groups together to support each other in harassment cases and petition with a few hundred thousand strong when it happens. If you care to put in that effort.

The letter sounsd great james! to bad im past the 5pm deadline or i would have written up a letter. i have already emailed the town and let them know how i feel. but great letter, im glad to see so many members are behind us, to those that are just beaking us saying were idiots for trying to fight this, F*** off.

anybody else get this email?



Gentlemen I am responding to your emails of Monday August 13th, 2007 relative to the actions of one of my personnel .Community Peace Officer Kyllo. While the allegations concern me I feel it only fair to be able to totally asses the situation by also talking with him about the occurrence. Unfortunately he is on holidays and not back until Monday August 20th. At that time I will discuss this with him and get his side of the story.



I appreciate the comments pertaining to the incident and will be in touch with each of you to discuss this situation and what the final outcome will be.



For your information I have also been in touch with Bill Clark who had been in contact with Jody Hawkins on the Sunday of the occurrence.



Thank you for your patience and if there are any other questions, please email me and I will attempt to answer them as best I can.



Dennis Krill

Director of Protective Services

Town of Sylvan Lake

dkrill@sylvanlake.ca

2007-08-14

COBALTS UNITE.....!!!!


(Insert 80's cartoon pic here......)


Good Job guys...!! This has all become about principal and the fact "we" drive sporty cars, targets us for unwanted and unneeded attention...

^^^ exactly.

understand what? I went to the thread. I got an MIP when i was 16 blowing a .034. That is .014 over the legal limit for a minor in michigan, you can blow that much from drinking a glass of wine. That is a total dick move by the cop and alot of people would say he is an asshole and he was an asshole, but the fact is i broke the law and he has every right to give me an MIP. You don't see me writing letters to the city about it. Have none of these guys ever met a dick cop before? i'd say 40% of cops are assholes, but you only give them power when you get caught breaking the law and these guys broke the law. They got ticketed for breaking the law and unless there was an abuse of power situation or this cop did something illegal, i really dont care what the situation was, quit whining about it and move on. Im not trying to be an asshole here, but come on guys, you can't actually complain about not being let off for breaking the law.


Umm.. that’s just a little bit different. You were drinking and driving, a pretty well known offence.

This officer probably had to pull out the rule book just to find out how to ticket these guys. If he was just doing his job, then he would have been ticketing everyone down the street.

^^exactly!!! This is about to become news here and we are not trying to stir up the pot in Sylvan. We just need people to take note that there is two standards here. If a 60 year old is driving his hotrod down the road with tinted windows and a young person with a tuner car is right behind him with the same illegal stuff they would probably stop the young person before the older gent. That is what we are trying to get people to see. Todays new sport car seen is the same as yesterdays classic car seen.

^^exactly!!! This is about to become news here and we are not trying to stir up the pot in Sylvan. We just need people to take note that there is two standards here. If a 60 year old is driving his hotrod down the road with tinted windows and a young person with a tuner car is right behind him with the same illegal stuff they would probably stop the young person before the older gent. That is what we are trying to get people to see. Todays new sport car seen is the same as yesterdays classic car seen.

Well said. After reading the posts this is the same thought I came away with.

I hope you guys do get at apoligy from the officer. It was completely clear that his only intention was to embarass you and flash his "authority" in front of a younger crowd.

James, that is an awesome letter, I hope you send that to Sylvan. Very, very well done.

He was clearly on a power trip and jsut ticketing becasue he could. it shows his level of attention when he noted my pontiac as a chevy on my ticket. proving he was just out to write tickets. any cop should of taken the time to find out what the car was. also shortly after our incident he pulled over a 4x4 chevy right infront of us with tined fornt windows and did not ticket him nor make him peel the tint......

Umm.. that’s just a little bit different. You were drinking and driving, a pretty well known offence.

This officer probably had to pull out the rule book just to find out how to ticket these guys. If he was just doing his job, then he would have been ticketing everyone down the street.

have you been reading the thread dude??

have you been reading the thread dude??

Hey Cakeeater

If you have not seen the big picture here then I suggest you stop putting in your 0.01 and EAT CROW!

We are trying to bring awareness to the unwarrented abuse that sometimes, not allways gets delt to the the tuners in North America. We do not care about you getting arrested for drinking as we are dealing with the Vehicle Traffic Act and not a Federal Offence.

:bye:

Any more news?

has anyone found the article in the paper. i haven't been able to find it. i would really like to read it and find out what it says.

^^ theres an article?!

I think james said that the deadline was yesturday at 5:00 PM. I think that was so they could check into it today then write the article and then puplish it tomorrow. Maybe...haha

listen. okay, some people say this is bullshit. i say what the cop did was bullshit. a group people, parked in a parking lot, just hanging out? how is that a crime? did they speed, have their systems up, doing burn outs etc...? no. this cop was totally out of line, and this was uncalled for. tickets for parking slanted, and tints? that is ridiculous. i hope everything goes okay for u guys, and you guys get restitution. i hate how some cops have nothing better to do, than harass us for just hanging out. i just don't get it. alot of cops here are cool, but alot of cops r assholes here too. the asshole cops r probably the ones who had geo metro 3 cyls and got beat by honda 1.6 ltrs. hahahahaha. :lol:

listen. okay, some people say this is bullshit. i say what the cop did was bullshit. a group people, parked in a parking lot, just hanging out? how is that a crime? did they speed, have their systems up, doing burn outs etc...? no. this cop was totally out of line, and this was uncalled for. tickets for parking slanted, and tints? that is ridiculous. i hope everything goes okay for u guys, and you guys get restitution. i hate how some cops have nothing better to do, than harass us for just hanging out. i just don't get it. alot of cops here are cool, but alot of cops r assholes here too. the asshole cops r probably the ones who had geo metro 3 cyls and got beat by honda 1.6 ltrs. hahahahaha. :lol:

what got this cop going was someone had phoned in a complaint about 2 black sporty looking cars doing stunts on the opposite end of the lake. nobody got any plates or even make and model they just assumed that hey there's 6 black sporty looking cars, that must have been them so lets go and bust them. thats when all hell broke loose and then we come to our current state.

and here is an example of what our wonderful goverment is doing.. labelling ppl...
check this out....


http://www.torontosun.com/News/2007/08/15/4420248.html

they werent parked illegally.
the guy obviously profiled them because it was a group of similar tuner cars parked together....
and did his best to fuck their day up when they were doing nothing wrong.

I dont know how things work down there....but up here basically you wont get in trouble for your tint unless you are doing something stupid like street racing, speeding, etc etc

Cops dont give out tickets for tint just because you have tint.

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.

and here is an example of what our wonderful goverment is doing.. labelling ppl...
check this out....


http://www.torontosun.com/News/2007/08/15/4420248.html

So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.

I agree that was bs, they were profiled and were givin tickets for tint when other cars were right next to theres. You cant use the street racing thing becuase legally they cant give the other guy a ticket unless they witness the crime. And clearly there wee other cars around. EVEN if you read the origianl story the other officers thought the one cop giving the tickets was a little overboard

I talked to my neighbor who is a cop and he laughed when I said some people got a ticket just for having tint, A cop here wont go out of his way to give you a ticket for tint you have to be doin some stupid other shit for them to bust your balls about that.

+rep for you guys!!!

I agree that was bs, they were profiled and were givin tickets for tint when other cars were right next to theres. You cant use the street racing thing becuase legally they cant give the other guy a ticket unless they witness the crime. And clearly there wee other cars around. EVEN if you read the origianl story the other officers thought the one cop giving the tickets was a little overboard

I talked to my neighbor who is a cop and he laughed when I said some people got a ticket just for having tint, A cop here wont go out of his way to give you a ticket for tint you have to be doin some stupid other shit for them to bust your balls about that.

+rep for you guys!!!

No..+rep for you and your Cop neighbor. DY-NO-MITE!!!!

and here is an example of what our wonderful goverment is doing.. labelling ppl...
check this out....


http://www.torontosun.com/News/2007/08/15/4420248.html

ya i read that in the calgary sun today it wasn't in as great of detail but i understood it. to me personally they are taking this way too far, that 2 million for their "survellance plane" (and yes i know that survellance is spelled wrong) could go to better use like the paramedics or hospitals or hell even trying to get the big drug dealers, but no they have to pick on the people that like cars. granted they shouldn't be doing more then 50Km/h above the speed limit but come on there going a little excessive on this.

they werent parked illegally.
the guy obviously profiled them because it was a group of similar tuner cars parked together....
and did his best to fuck their day up when they were doing nothing wrong.

I dont know how things work down there....but up here basically you wont get in trouble for your tint unless you are doing something stupid like street racing, speeding, etc etc

Cops dont give out tickets for tint just because you have tint.

I guess you haven't been to saskatoon lately!! They hand out tickets for anything, It's a $100 fine if a cop catches you spitting, seriously they passed the bylaw last year.

I guess you haven't been to saskatoon lately!! They hand out tickets for anything, It's a $100 fine if a cop catches you spitting, seriously they passed the bylaw last year.

Calgary just put the same laws in place - no spitting, urinating, sleeping.... the list goes on and on - apparently its part of their new effort to curb the homeless population... which is retarded how many homeless guys do you know that have 100 bucks for a ticket for spitting? Wow someone was on their game when they came up with that dumbass law.

Calgary just put the same laws in place - no spitting, urinating, sleeping.... the list goes on and on - apparently its part of their new effort to curb the homeless population... which is retarded how many homeless guys do you know that have 100 bucks for a ticket for spitting? Wow someone was on their game when they came up with that dumbass law.

hahaha if the homeless had $100 and used it in a smart way they would spend it on a cheap motel.

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.



So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.


Dude do you even drive a cobalt? Everyone who drives these cars KNOWS that STOCK they're too low to bring your tires to the curb anyways, it would hit the bumper! So according to the law even if we pulled in straight we'd all still be parked illegally cause we'd have to be too far back to avoid wrecking our cars!

I tried explaining that to the cop, but I baisically got a "fuck off" attitude from him.

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.



So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.


your an idiot, go f**k yourself asshole. i hope you crash your vehicle and go right through the windsheild into a wall. you dont have rights to talk after that comment. dont brag about your illegal street racing, your a tool.

here's a good pic from Larry with the RCMP officer parked in backwards... it's the purple car behind the truck

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2342&d=1187150211

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.



So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.


your an idiot, go f**k yourself asshole. i hope you crash your vehicle and go right through the windsheild into a wall. you dont have rights to talk after that comment. dont brag about your illegal street racing, your a tool.


Hahaha well put. What a fucking douschebag, who says something like that.

Maybe if that idiot had half a brain he'd realize that the whole issue here is not about the laws it's about the dumbass cop and how he handled the situation.

ya unfortunetly i don't think we would be able to use that to fight the tickets not that we would do anything like that ;)

I'm glad to see people stick together for once. Thats exactly how it should be. +rep

I'm glad to see people stick together for once. Thats exactly how it should be. +rep

Thanks! :cssNET: for life :lol:


+rep

here's a good pic from Larry with the RCMP officer parked in backwards... it's the purple car behind the truck

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2342&d=1187150211

[QUOTE=tkaugh29;1337156]


Hahaha well put. What a fucking douschebag, who says something like that.

Maybe if that idiot had half a brain he'd realize that the whole issue here is not about the laws it's about the dumbass cop and how he handled the situation.


I KNOW, HE is who the cops should be trying to catch, not us for parking backwarks and having tint. he spent lik 2 hours with us! while 2 black sporty cars were cruising around sylvan!! fuck that guy is ignorant

[QUOTE=bigrroberto;1337178]here's a good pic from Larry with the RCMP officer parked in backwards... it's the purple car behind the truck

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2342&d=1187150211




I KNOW, HE is who the cops should be trying to catch, not us for parking backwarks and having tint. he spent lik 2 hours with us! while 2 black sporty cars were cruising around sylvan!! fuck that guy is ignorant

couldn't have said it better myself.

Good luck with your fight guys--I back you 100%

I think a member of the Legisalture should be petitioned to put fourth a proposed bill to change the tint laws.

At least allowing a certain %.

I heard recently the whole reason behind the no tint on the front side windows was so cops could see into the car.

On the off chance there is a threat present.

Thats complete garbage! What about the rear side winfows? They have be lack as nigh, the cop could not tell anything! :thumbsdow

I mean, cops knock on door houses and cannot see whats on the other side of the door!

Maybe cops should just quit if they feel so threatended by what they cannot see!

[QUOTE=bigrroberto;1337178]here's a good pic from Larry with the RCMP officer parked in backwards... it's the purple car behind the truck

http://www.cobaltss.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2342&d=1187150211




I KNOW, HE is who the cops should be trying to catch, not us for parking backwarks and having tint. he spent lik 2 hours with us! while 2 black sporty cars were cruising around sylvan!! fuck that guy is ignorant

HAhA yeah for sure... I just remembered something!!!

Do you remember after we left the car wash we went up about half a block then turned right then went half a block up to the main drag and then turned left... Well after we turned RIGHT, about 2 houses down, there was a black ss/sc. Dirty Unwashed... IT was probably him HAHA

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.



So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.


Can i interest you in a glass of shut the hell up...??:thumbsdow I dont race, except on a racetrack but heaven forbid me going over the speedlimit for whatever reason and become labeled a "stunt" racer or whatever the hell they wanna call it.. the article was for everyones general knowledge.. yur knowledge does not appear to be to general, if at all basic...!!! :ca:

Actually read the first thread they WERE parked illegally based on teh laws in that town. Someone who was there was shown the law where it said they had to be pullied in nose first when parking on an angle and that the tires had to be less then 12 inches from teh curb stop.



So what..... Thats been the norm in the US for years. If Im doing twice the limit I goto jail get a fine ranging from 1k - 10k dollars and my car gets impounded and or crushed. You all are a bunch of whiny bitching babies. Grow up follow the law or don't get caught breaking it. I race illegally every weekend and I haven't been caught in the 7 years Ive been doing it.

do you honestly think street racing is gonna prove anything. all its doing is ruining it for the rest of us that go to the track and race and if you get caught with the new laws out now a days is having a few seconds of speed really worth losing your car and your license for. i don't think it is.

Go get those profiling bastards!!!

Can i interest you in a glass of shut the hell up...??:thumbsdow I dont race, except on a racetrack but heaven forbid me going over the speedlimit for whatever reason and become labeled a "stunt" racer or whatever the hell they wanna call it.. the article was for everyones general knowledge.. yur knowledge does not appear to be to general, if at all basic...!!! :ca:

ROFL... You are a very funny person. But are you sure you are not mentally impaired? Going 5 - 10kph over the speed limit and going twice the speed limit are 2 very different things. the fact that you people are worried about it tells me you routinely drive above and beyond the speed limit. Yes your right the original article post was for general knowledge and from there on people did nothing but bitch about it like little pussys. I simply the 2 options you will have form this point on. 1:) follow the road laws. or 2:) Don't get caught breaking them.

Now I know your tiny simple minded brain cant comprehend how this law in no way effects you if your above statement is true. But I'm sure if you round up a few more Canadian friends here you might have enough combined brain power to figure it out.

Now I know your tiny simple minded brain cant comprehend how this law in no way effects you if your above statement is true. But I'm sure if you round up a few more Canadian friends here you might have enough combined brain power to figure it out.

Lil bitches like this and a few other mayonnaise garglers need to STFU and GTFO. If your not supporting or invloved in what these guys are doin why the hell are u in the thread.

Theres a big difference between gettin nailed racing for speeding. I would be pretty pissed to get a ticket for parking the wrong way.

Good Luck guys

People street racing or drinking and driving trying to put relivence to this post are completely sltupid.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me break this down in a why you can comprehend:

You
Doing something stupid and widely known as illegal. If the cop didn't throw you in jail then he still wasn't doing is job. I actually hope you crash into a tree so you can't hurt anyone else on the road.

Them
Doing something innocent and not widely known as illegal. They had to open a book or laws just to find it. If the cop was "just doing his job" then he would have been walking up and down that street writing tickets instead of driving his truck look for people to harass.

People street racing or drinking and driving trying to put relivence to this post are completely sltupid.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me break this down in a why you can comprehend:

You
Doing something stupid and widely known as illegal. If the cop didn't throw you in jail then he still wasn't doing is job. I actually hope you crash into a tree so you can't hurt anyone else on the road.

Them
Doing something innocent and not widely known as illegal. They had to open a book or laws just to find it. If the cop was "just doing his job" then he would have been walking up and down that street writing tickets instead of driving his truck look for people to harass.

Amen Brotha... That is exactly what happened. The RCMP actually Opened the Vehicle Trafic Act and looked every thing up. The part about tint is tentative in the Act and not strict law. It is more a guideline from what the RCMP officer told me. The section in the Act about parking, again is tentative and allows the officer to make a discressionary call.

So, unless those of you that are just on here to get your rocks off and be the asshole devils advocate, GTFO this thread. We don't want to hear your assanine comments. We are trying to build awareness and possibly have some Laws ammended down the road.

If you would like to understand the CANADIAN laws I suggest you google the Queens Printer and do a search for the Alberta Motor Vehicle Safety Act, do some reading before you make a Dumbass comment on how we should suck it up and quite being pussies.

We will NOT and I repeat NOT tolerate Ethnic or Cultural bashing on this thread. I/we will ask the Mods to remove you. So please keep it clean people.

I am with all of you guys and your endeavor to perhaps have some ammendments made too some laws, and the fact that the officer should have treated all of you with respect and nothing less, tickets or not.
However, to all those that say suck it up, I think you should applaude what these guys are doing, right or wrong in your mind makes no difference, they are standing up for what they feel is right. I thought you were allowed to do that in your country too. If you dont go after something for change, than you are just a follower.

On the article. I think its a fine law, I really couldnt give a crap, however to spend 2 million on a plane "to start" and 55 assigned officers for the task is retarded. I propose all street racers change their game to 100' drags. lol. and speeders keep it under the 50kmh limit. Really, do you need to go 100kmh or greater in town? or 160kmh on twinned highways? I have no worries.
Cheers.

I am with all of you guys and your endeavor to perhaps have some ammendments made too some laws, and the fact that the officer should have treated all of you with respect and nothing less, tickets or not.
However, to all those that say suck it up, I think you should applaude what these guys are doing, right or wrong in your mind makes no difference, they are standing up for what they feel is right. I thought you were allowed to do that in your country too. If you dont go after something for change, than you are just a follower.

Thank you Sir Saskatoon...Well put. haha

Good luck with your fight guys--I back you 100%

I think a member of the Legisalture should be petitioned to put fourth a proposed bill to change the tint laws.

At least allowing a certain %.

I heard recently the whole reason behind the no tint on the front side windows was so cops could see into the car.

On the off chance there is a threat present.

Thats complete garbage! What about the rear side winfows? They have be lack as nigh, the cop could not tell anything! :thumbsdow

I mean, cops knock on door houses and cannot see whats on the other side of the door!

Maybe cops should just quit if they feel so threatended by what they cannot see!

actually the tint law got really enforced because a cop was shot and didint see the person during a pull over... Its one of those "one idiot ruins it for everyone else" sorta thing.... I guess i support the tint law as it is. But i dont see the necessity these officers did...

People street racing or drinking and driving trying to put relivence to this post are completely sltupid.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Let me break this down in a why you can comprehend:

You
Doing something stupid and widely known as illegal. If the cop didn't throw you in jail then he still wasn't doing is job. I actually hope you crash into a tree so you can't hurt anyone else on the road.

Them
Doing something innocent and not widely known as illegal. They had to open a book or laws just to find it. If the cop was "just doing his job" then he would have been walking up and down that street writing tickets instead of driving his truck look for people to harass.



WOW YOU NEED H-O-O-K-E-D O-N P-H-O-N-I-C-S. i've clearly stated at least twice that i was NOT driving and MIP's are a misdemeanor. I had to go through 6 months of probation because i had ONE beer. That is excessive, but that's the way life works. In my area a few of my friends have gotten MIA's (minor in attendence) for being AT a party with alcohol there while being underage...they weren't even drinking. I really just don't know what you guys are trying to achieve here. Getting rid of the tint law isn't going to happen, it is there for a reason. Are you trying to raise awareness of police abusing their power?

innocent = not breaking the law. You all KNEW it was illegal to tint those windows, but you did it anyway. If you guys got tickets for something you didn't know was illegal, i wouldn't be arguing this right now, but you guys absolutely knew you were breaking the law when you tinted your front windows, or at least most of you did. Cops suck, there will always be cops that abuse their power, i really just can't see what you guys are trying to achieve here. Look at it from the view of the outsider. You guys broke laws and knew you were breaking them, no matter how minor they are, you got tickets for them, the cop did treat you like crap, but welcome to the world of every teenager EVER. You can't always expect to not get in trouble when breaking the law, you can't bank on the cop letting you off every time. I just don't know why you guys are going through all this trouble. What are you aiming for?

WOW YOU NEED H-O-O-K-E-D O-N P-H-O-N-I-C-S. i've clearly stated at least twice that i was NOT driving and MIP's are a misdemeanor. I had to go through 6 months of probation because i had ONE beer. That is excessive, but that's the way life works. In my area a few of my friends have gotten MIA's (minor in attendence) for being AT a party with alcohol there while being underage...they weren't even drinking. I really just don't know what you guys are trying to achieve here. Getting rid of the tint law isn't going to happen, it is there for a reason. Are you trying to raise awareness of police abusing their power?

innocent = not breaking the law. You all KNEW it was illegal to tint those windows, but you did it anyway. If you guys got tickets for something you didn't know was illegal, i wouldn't be arguing this right now, but you guys absolutely knew you were breaking the law when you tinted your front windows, or at least most of you did. Cops suck, there will always be cops that abuse their power, i really just can't see what you guys are trying to achieve here. Look at it from the view of the outsider. You guys broke laws and knew you were breaking them, no matter how minor they are, you got tickets for them, the cop did treat you like crap, but welcome to the world of every teenager EVER. You can't always expect to not get in trouble when breaking the law, you can't bank on the cop letting you off every time. I just don't know why you guys are going through all this trouble. What are you aiming for?


Fuck man. We are not bitchin about the fact that we were ticketed. We are bitchen' because of the different standards that are set in not only our country but north america in a hole. If you look at the different standards throughout our country which I posted in this thread, does that mean that if someone from manitoba which allows tint to go to sylvan would that cop make him peel it off also while he is in alberta. Come on, get your head out of your ass and look at the big picture for once in your life.