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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Cool 09 ss vs ms3

this dude with his ms3 on 18psi intake turboback and cobb stage 1 flash has been talkinn summm shitt...i ran him when i was bone stock..from a 40 i jumped him about 3 quarters of a car then he came back up about 1 car in front then once i started reving out my forth i started comn back up on him hard...i now got a few parts...(stock tune) but still i think i can rape that **** now...charge piping intake n 3 in catless dp...what you guys think?
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 05:11 PM
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your new parts wont help you if your on a stock tune..
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 05:14 PM
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ms3's arent that quick i beat a intake, dp, and fmic ms3 with forged internals making 290whp/300wtq. in my car when i had less mods that barely pulled on a stock tc
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by steviepc7
your new parts wont help you if your on a stock tune..
don't you love the learn down feature on your car
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 07:50 PM
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can someone explain to me exactly what the learn down feature is
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 07:53 PM
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what color is the car..... i raced one coming down 75 i have downpipe, intake, muffler delete, dejon bpv spring..... and got beat by one with similar mods by like 2 cars

60 roll;

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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 07:58 PM
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its black with no tint...it has a cft sticker on the front bumper
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 08:00 PM
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nah the one that beat me was white, it had angled exhaust..... was pretty fast but definitely tuned....i know for a fact that once i get tuned ill deff beat him
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 08:04 PM
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You need a tune.
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Old Oct 11, 2009 | 08:08 PM
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yes sir i need and want one soo ******* bad but dont have the cash right now. i been trying to sell a couple things to get some money but no luck!
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by sswitnutz
can someone explain to me exactly what the learn down feature is
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by drew1991sf
ms3's arent that quick i beat a intake, dp, and fmic ms3 with forged internals making 290whp/300wtq. in my car when i had less mods that barely pulled on a stock tc
uhhh no. They then lied to you. No ms3 owner in their right mind would have forge internals and not a bigger turbo making near 400whp. 290whp is easily done with bolt ons.

the ms3 gearing is horrible to start a roll at 40mph. Hell I bet a intake ms3 vs stock tc the ms3 would win. both stock and both modded similar is a pretty good race.

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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sswitnutz
can someone explain to me exactly what the learn down feature is
The ECU is programmed to control air load, it makes 260 hp, 260 ft lbs torque because of this target. If you make mods to let it breathe more, like intakes & exhausts, it still targets the same air loads and cuts the turbo back some to hit the same goals.

Tuning can raise the goals. Oversimplified, but close enough. HTH.
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 12:34 PM
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uhhh no. They then lied to you. No ms3 owner in their right mind would have forge internals and not a bigger turbo making near 400whp. 290whp is easily done with bolt ons.

the ms3 gearing is horrible to start a roll at 40mph. Hell I bet a intake ms3 vs stock tc the ms3 would win. both stock and both modded similar is a pretty good race.
he has forged internals cuz he blew his motor before and is now just saving up money for a big turbo.
trust me i was shocked i won lol
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by drew1991sf
he has forged internals cuz he blew his motor before and is now just saving up money for a big turbo.
trust me i was shocked i won lol
Nope still dont believe it, as he wouldnt even be a stage 1 tune. He would be a stage2+ tune and make over 300whp most likely.
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 09:52 PM
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who said anything about forged internals and a bigger turbo
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 09:59 PM
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Nope still dont believe it, as he wouldnt even be a stage 1 tune. He would be a stage2+ tune and make over 300whp most likely.
lol hes told me and so has his friends. he got forged internals after he blew his motor so he would be able to hit 400whp on a GT35 turbo. he made 290whp the next day
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:04 PM
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well i know i raced the same ms3 im talkin about with my rsx before i got the ss t/c..he had a cai n boost controller on 19psi..i had i/rh/e/kpro n was tearin that **** up .lol he is such a hater too..n thinks havin this other queer driving for him is guna make a difference..but he learns the hard way
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by drew1991sf
lol hes told me and so has his friends. he got forged internals after he blew his motor so he would be able to hit 400whp on a GT35 turbo. he made 290whp the next day
then you have a liar on your hands. Or someone who absolutely sucks at modding/tunning and should not own that car.
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:07 PM
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lol im talkin about a different ms3 in cali ahahah

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then you have a liar on your hands.
lol ok y would one lie about having forged internals. all his friends say so and so does he. believe wat u want.

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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:19 PM
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he can have forged internals, but if he has a intake, dp and fmic and you can beat him stock. then you lied about beating him or he has a **** tastic car.

A bolted MS3 alone would beat you. The forged internals who cares, with those bolt ons he should be running a Cobb stage2+ tune NOT the stage1 tune and be over 300whp easy. so you saying they arent fast is well biased as you raced a **** ms3. With forged internals, those mods and a tune he should be welll into the 300whp's.
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Old Oct 12, 2009 | 10:21 PM
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he didnt have a tune tho that ik off. i had gm stg2, intake, full exhaust, and 100lbs of weight reduction.
he had another person in the car i didnt
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:43 AM
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damn i got the OP messed up with you about who had the stage 1 flash.

But at any rate even with his bolt ons a ms3 should take a SS no problem stock. Heck even a intake on a ms3 and it would beat a ss stock otherwise both stock or both modded, really depends on weight and what roll speed as the ms3's 6speed kinda blows for roll's
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:46 AM
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When my car was stock my co-workers MS3 w/Intake had no issues with the Cobalt on the roll. It wasn't insanely faster, but I couldnt catch him and he was pulling. He even gave me a nice oil smoke show to prove it.

Not raced him again since buying HPT.
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Old Oct 13, 2009 | 12:54 AM
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To the OP, you'll lose. MS3s are a driver race stock. I beat one with a test pipe and BOV.

Originally Posted by northvibe
uhhh no. They then lied to you. No ms3 owner in their right mind would have forge internals and not a bigger turbo making near 400whp. 290whp is easily done with bolt ons.

the ms3 gearing is horrible to start a roll at 40mph. Hell I bet a intake ms3 vs stock tc the ms3 would win. both stock and both modded similar is a pretty good race.
Yeah any mods vs a stock tune tc, tc would get eaten, though not by too much if the driver can drive. A car, car and a half. I managed to pull one (bad driver) with intake, turbo inlet, mount, 2 extra pounds of boost, and a turbo XS FMIC. I jumped him and he couldn't catch me. The next time we met I had parts and tuned and he got eaten.

Both tuned with the same parts and stuff, the tc would win I think. The MS3s are sadly having issues getting over 300, and if they do its kind of barely if I remember correctly from the forums. Its like 290-298 fully bolted, with a tune 300-310...then turbo 400! lol so few in betweens.

But yeah don't underestimate the MS3s, they're no slugs.
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