Another Update! LNF KIT!
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From: Des Moines, IA
As an earlier poster said- it wouldn't surprise me one bit if this 15 HP nonsense was not wanting to **** off the "higher end" GM car owners. GM has a pretty long history of under rating, under tuning and reverse tuning cars to make sure the higher end vehicles always had the most power.
Hey, I'm an LSx guy myself like many others on here... but the power the LNF is putting down with really minimal work is pretty nice. I mean basically what my old '99 Trans Am was putting down before a couple small mods.
This pretty much put the nail in the coffin on ordering HP Tuners this week. I know some of the GM folks frequent this forum. Sorry guys, but I just can't hand you (most likely) $500 for 15hp.
Hey, I'm an LSx guy myself like many others on here... but the power the LNF is putting down with really minimal work is pretty nice. I mean basically what my old '99 Trans Am was putting down before a couple small mods.
This pretty much put the nail in the coffin on ordering HP Tuners this week. I know some of the GM folks frequent this forum. Sorry guys, but I just can't hand you (most likely) $500 for 15hp.
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From: richmond, mo
i feel like this is a good thing for the most part yes its just 15hp..... but thats before an intake and exhaust....you may net gains of 20-30 with a good intake and exhaust, dp combo plus you get the expanded tuning capabilities with the new sensors. and what would it cost to get a tune and a second ecm to keep your warranty? 250 tune file+250 ecm+ 30 shipping=530??? i would have to have the gm kit
It seems disappointing at first, but GM made a smart move when you realize what they have done. Many people already have intakes, so there needs to be an option for those people and GM has done that nicely. GM is not forcing people to pay for something they don't need and already have. GM has listened to the community and delivered. They only way they could go wrong now is on price. The stage 1 price needs to be low, and the stage 2 would be worth it if it came with a nice attractive intake.
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theyre not gonna give us the full torque because of the F35, no way. Only the Kappas because they have a substantially beefier transmission.
The problem with the kit now becomes.... what if they cant get us the intake tube? If the new tube is where the sensor is to mount, will we have to rely on Aftermarket intake and charge piping to REDESIGNED for sensor mounting?
The Kappas and HHR dont have to worry because they arent having the same restrictions.
Im wondering where exactly these sensors would mount up?
The problem with the kit now becomes.... what if they cant get us the intake tube? If the new tube is where the sensor is to mount, will we have to rely on Aftermarket intake and charge piping to REDESIGNED for sensor mounting?
The Kappas and HHR dont have to worry because they arent having the same restrictions.
Im wondering where exactly these sensors would mount up?
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315 auto or manual take your pick, kappas differ on torque HHR does not.
Something I just noticed when i was looking at the install is that you will only get 1 download from GM per stage kit. So those of you who have 2 ecus, in order for you to get the baseline GM stage tune on both of them, you have to buy 2 stage kits to be stealthy around your stealerships. BIG FAIL, but smart on GMs part
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...grade-kit.html
Something I just noticed when i was looking at the install is that you will only get 1 download from GM per stage kit. So those of you who have 2 ecus, in order for you to get the baseline GM stage tune on both of them, you have to buy 2 stage kits to be stealthy around your stealerships. BIG FAIL, but smart on GMs part
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...grade-kit.html
315 auto or manual take your pick, kappas differ on torque HHR does not.
Something I just noticed when i was looking at the install is that you will only get 1 download from GM per stage kit. So those of you who have 2 ecus, in order for you to get the baseline GM stage tune on both of them, you have to buy 2 stage kits to be stealthy around your stealerships. BIG FAIL, but smart on GMs part
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...grade-kit.html
Something I just noticed when i was looking at the install is that you will only get 1 download from GM per stage kit. So those of you who have 2 ecus, in order for you to get the baseline GM stage tune on both of them, you have to buy 2 stage kits to be stealthy around your stealerships. BIG FAIL, but smart on GMs part
http://www.sandyblogs.com/techlink/2...grade-kit.html
I'm sure HPTuners and Trifecta will work hard to get a copy of the stage tune.
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copying the tune is not an issue, formatting the ECU with the new Operating system is the issue...
Im thinkin Superchips is getting my business, better numbers, no dealer wiring hackjobs, and ill be able to flash back and forth on a second ecu
Im thinkin Superchips is getting my business, better numbers, no dealer wiring hackjobs, and ill be able to flash back and forth on a second ecu
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1. Learn down basically negates any mods you do right now. Even if you add an intake, exhaust, etc, the computer "relearns" back to its factory specs.
2. Adding aftermarket parts is not supposed to void your entire warranty. It is only supposed to void the warranty on that particular part that you replaced (i.e. you put an aftermarket muffler on, it should only negate the warranty for the stock muffler). However, the trick is that lots of dealers negate warranties when they see aftermarket parts, simply because they claim you abuse your car. The reason getting a tune can automatically void your entire powertrain warranty is because the computer controls pretty much every factory of your car. A crappy tune can ruin your car and even though most are better than GM's, it isn't stock so they dump your whole warranty.
2. Adding aftermarket parts is not supposed to void your entire warranty. It is only supposed to void the warranty on that particular part that you replaced (i.e. you put an aftermarket muffler on, it should only negate the warranty for the stock muffler). However, the trick is that lots of dealers negate warranties when they see aftermarket parts, simply because they claim you abuse your car. The reason getting a tune can automatically void your entire powertrain warranty is because the computer controls pretty much every factory of your car. A crappy tune can ruin your car and even though most are better than GM's, it isn't stock so they dump your whole warranty.
Cheers and Thanks!
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Anyone know if it will likely cost more to do stage 1 when it is released and then get stage 2 upgrade when it comes out opposed to waiting for both of them to come out and doing it all at once?
I'm thinking it was more expensive on the SS/SC to get stage 1, then upgrade to stage 2 than it was to do it all at once...correct?
I'm thinking it was more expensive on the SS/SC to get stage 1, then upgrade to stage 2 than it was to do it all at once...correct?
Anyone know if it will likely cost more to do stage 1 when it is released and then get stage 2 upgrade when it comes out opposed to waiting for both of them to come out and doing it all at once?
I'm thinking it was more expensive on the SS/SC to get stage 1, then upgrade to stage 2 than it was to do it all at once...correct?
I'm thinking it was more expensive on the SS/SC to get stage 1, then upgrade to stage 2 than it was to do it all at once...correct?
I don't want two shop visits to the dealer.
yes i am.. as i said INCASE YOUR BLIND AND DIDNT READ MY POST.. stage 1 HAS NOT been released and stage 2 talk that is RETARTED!!!!!.. this remind's me of the LSJ **** i had to put up with my 07 IRL going stage 2.. ppl said it would not work and the 07 was not gonna happen but low and behold... the first day the tune was released for the 07 i had it with the 04 to 06 kit which i was told WOULD NOT WORK. which they were WRONG cause i had the first 07 stage 2 LSJ! seriously you want to question me.. ive wrenched on more than even care to talk about.. so have a nice day.. guy's like that are why i dont post much...
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:yes i am.. as i said INCASE YOUR BLIND AND DIDNT READ MY POST.. stage 1 HAS NOT been released and stage 2 talk that is RETARTED!!!!!.. this remind's me of the LSJ **** i had to put up with my 07 IRL going stage 2.. ppl said it would not work and the 07 was not gonna happen but low and behold... the first day the tune was released for the 07 i had it with the 04 to 06 kit which i was told WOULD NOT WORK. which they were WRONG cause i had the first 07 stage 2 LSJ! seriously you want to question me.. ive wrenched on more than even care to talk about.. so have a nice day.. guy's like that are why i dont post much...:
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From: Tejas
It's a long shot, but it's an idea at least.