I hope that they all will come thru this all right. I will keep them in my prayers.

ok ima clear this up now... i was searching to find the car to see how it look to post pics... idk about zen he might have been looking to get parts...

so dont THINK i was looking for parts I already have the TC

No i ddnt mean you pimp, its cool, i was talking about zen..

Since it's zero tolerance, it does not matter when...as it's an illegal drug, any trace of it in your system counts as a DUI. Of course, those who are prescribed the drug for legal purposes may achieve an exemption, but I can't say for sure...my guess is they'd fall under the category of 'do not drive or operate heavy machinery' cautions like certain other prescribed drugs.

The prescription drug aspect is, in most cases, quantifiable as to concentration in bloodstream. As most prescription drugs are simply taken until the prescription runs out, this is largely a moot point, as your blood concentration will be pretty consistent during the treatment. As for painkillers that are taken as needed, well...one better pay close attention to one's usage versus the cautions supplied with the drug, for the hot water one can land in is not at all pleasant.

Quite so. Again, it's not about the actual effects, its about how the law was written. Lawyers can argue the point in court and perhaps mitigate penalties to a degree, but it all comes down to this...the laws cannot be changed to suit the defendant, so this can be a very rugged experience, with certain penalty.

Why do I point all this out? Because, as far as I am concerned, its a dirty little secret that too many relatively law-abiding people don't find out about until it's WAY too late. Then, in the blink of an eye, they've become criminals with serious life-changing circumstances to come. For those of you who are shocked that such laws exist, you should be. But your knowledge of them, or lack thereof, doesn't mean beans if the **** hits the fan in YOUR life.

If you have reason to, check the laws in YOUR state. No one ever plans to have an accident. Knowing what you may face could literally be a 'sobering' discovery.

Here comes the family of the passengers suing , he is in for ruff future. Couldnt help but try to hear that wusshhhh sound. hope everyone gets better.

This kids back is broke and others are injured , but people are looking to grab his ****** wheels, brakes and seats ....

Thats life, get to the point 90 percent of the people yelling sorry dont really care anyways , they just want the fs thread to go up. Honesty is the best policy.

I would disagree that that is the motivation that is driving the sympathy.
I think the number would probably be more like 10% of those people want the FS thread.
Most of us know someone or can relate via first hand experiance, and really do feel bad that this guys friends are suffering.

To Pimplay, I am NOT in that "90 percent" and do sincerely hope your friends recover well.

They won't get much, since they weren't wearing seatbelts (the reason they were so injured). any half wit lawyer will be able to defend against that.

One thing to keep in mind, even if you have medical payment insurance on your car insurance, it generally doesn't pay for YOUR medical expenses, just the others involved. Make sure you have good normal medical insurance in case something like this happens to you, because your insurance will cover everyone else involved but you...



....pics?

As stated, doesn't matter. If you smoked it recently enough for it to be in your blood, then you're under the influence. Smoking pot for "medical pain purposes" is not legal in PA (nor in many other places), so that's still a DUI. And really......if you're in enough pain to warrant smoking pot, you PROBABLY shouldn't be driving.

As for prescription drugs, I can speak on that from experience because we test for that where I work. There are formulas for every drug based on dosage prescribed, etc. We can tell what they're taking, usually guess the dose if it's not give by the patient, and how well they're adhereing to their Rx.

PA requires medical coverage for the driver, $10k I believe. So he's covered.

Sounds like a bunch of winners...no safety belts...marijuana...

I dont think there was pot involved.
I think that was brought up seperately.

yea that was brought up randomly none of them smoke pot

i love how people think seatbelts are the end all answer to saving someones life. half the people in this thread have no idea what he's going through, or what he is about to go through.

They certainly help people from getting ejected. Accident a few years ago around here involved 5 high school graduates (had just graduated ~24-48 hrs before the accident). Driver was drunk (obviously) going 75 down a 25mph street where it goes from a normal road to one w/ a median. Bounces off a small tree and slams into a large one. Driver ended up unhurt and fled [seatbelt]. Guy in back had a broken leg and some other medium damage [seatbelt]. The other 3 flew out of the car while leaving their heads behind [no seatbelts].

I like the fact that the SS/TC has side airbags, hitting your head on the glass /other vehicle plowing through the car can cause serious brain damage. I'm all for em.

i hit a telephone pole at 80 mph. not wearing a seatbelt. if i had been wearing one. i would have not been able to flex in the direction i did to avoid splattering my head on the pole.

so yes, there are instances where a seat belt can kill you. there is also instances where i can save you.

double edged sword.

yeah but the "wearing it" side cuts far less often

I'm a senior and hopeful future med student. Most common way of fracturing L1 (lumbar 1) is a lap belt in a car, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T WEAR THE SHOULDER STRAP ALSO. That being said...if it kept him from being ejected from the car then I would say it served its purpose and he has a better chance than he would have.


Dumb point. How many people get in serious accidents with a prescription for a drug like pain killers or marijuana? Not many. That would obviously throw out the "zero" tolerance. It all would depend. I mean did you take your prescription recently and have a small trace or did you get completely blown 2 days ago? They don't know.....but if they have this prescription then they will ask you when you took it last and measure the amount in your blood. It will either be reasonable or WAY off.

but like I said, Very rare sitation and they're not f***** up rules at all.

more like a game of statistics, you are much more likely to be injured in an accident not wearing a seatbelt than not

you can die walking down the street.

life is a gamble in itself.

And you have less of a chance of dieing if you get outta the street and walk down the sidewalk All depends on how you want to play, I like to chose the options where I have the best chance of winning.

Always wear your seatbelt.

I yell at people in my car that don't wear it, don't feel like killing anybody, god forbid something bad should happen with friends in the car.

Car's actually still in the shop now, whole new front end gettin put on...

Seatbelts are indeed a double edged sword... Which is why I say... Corbeau Seats and 4 point harnesses FTMFW!!!

In all seriousness I hope they all make it out alive. That is the most important thing.

Same here, a blind old man blew a stop sign and T-boned me in my door, my door was pushed tot he center, if I had my belt on I would have been crushed. Instead I was able to hop over the center console in time.

I am gonna go out on a limb here and say that 95% of the time its probably best to have a seat belt on.
Sure there are instances of people surviving bad accidents without them, but given the choice, I would take a seat belt vs. none 10 out of 10 times.