yeah, datalog, datalog, datalog.... can't stress it enough

 

I datalog a lot in the summer so I can watch my IAT2 temps.

 

this is where those Bluetooth and WiFi OBD2 scanners come in handy

 

you guys are right......next question is who is closest to lee county va that knows their stuff when it comes to tuning these cars

 

and with a custom tune not only is it RIGHT for the car but it would most likely make better power correct?im still learning guys

 

That's right. And as in for who's closest... it depends on what you want. Now you have to decide between Trifecta and HPTuners. I'm not going to suggest anything specific because you're going to have to look at pros and cons and figure out what YOU want.

in before fanboys bashing other's tunes

 

[QUOTE=Aleksey;6628993]That's right. And as in for who's closest... it depends on what you want. Now you have to decide between Trifecta and HPTuners. I'm not going to suggest anything specific because you're going to have to look at pros and cons and figure out what YOU want.

in before fanboys bashing other's tunes [/QUOTEI]
I researched them both before I decided to go with a canned tune but dont remember so imma do a little research

 

Get a real tune

 

You don't need to be tuned by someone local. You do need to be tuned by someone that you can work with.

I think it was Aleksey above that said it? Datalog, datalog. Then datalog some more until it is right.

A so called "canned tune" is and has to be built with suppositions. If you have this equipment and this elevation and this gas (and a dozen more factors) then this tune will work well for you. They do the best they can and hope that you don't change too many things from the baseline. You can always do better with a tune that is made and then adjusted for your unique situation.

 

yea I think I'll take everyones advice much thanks guys

 

Here's something so you all can understand it. Say I'm commanding 300kpa up top and have wgdc at 65% at 3k and ramping to 100% up top but not aggressively. Say 22lbs, and it is on this car which is car (a). But say I put this file I used on car (a) to car (b) without any revision or anything. What's gonna happen? Either less or more boost depending on mods and how the wastegate rod is adjusted. So no matter what a canned tune on a LNf is utterly stupid. It's like saying I'm gonna command a 23* idle on. Car a with a few mods and upload it on b without logging but I can't get my 23*. If the car is logged and revised and changes load and etc
It'll get it's commanded timing at idle.

 

whatever he said this guy doesn't know anything about tuning and he's probably reading this like, hmm is this Greek?

 

yea im bout to go buy rosetta stone just so i can translate lol but thanks cuz i understand what he is trying to tell me

 

Simple terms, he was explaining why not to use a canned tune. That you shouldn't take a tune from car a and put it on car b.

 

We just had a customer here yesterday with a stock turbo that was boosting too high on one of our ecm files. It turned out that when his turbo was replaced, the wastegate actuator rod was set up with too much preload. I made an adjustment in the duty cycle charts to lower the boost, but it could also be done by decreasing the preload on the rod. As these cars get older and have had more work done to them, things like this are going to happen. It's not a big deal, though. You should feel free to contact us for tuning adjustments if necessary.

Edit- you also need a custom tune for your Injen intake.

 

Sounds like Cobe did go to ZZP lol

 

Matt not trying to cause a issue, but every wasgate rod is different so therefore your desired boost along with wgdc wil be wrong in canned tunes.

 

Did you even read what I typed? I just said that as these cars get older and parts get changed that wastegates will required different duty cycles. Then you tell me the same thing back...

You mistyped, though. The desired boost will not change. I think you mena the actual boost. Also, the duty cycle is not wrong in the canned tune. The real problem is that the hardware is set up incorrectly or not functioning properly.

 

Matt, I don't think you read what I said before you even posted. Because I said exactly what up did but easier to understand. Referencing a and b.

When you set the dals to a certain boost level and wgdc for a certain car it will be different on another. How hard is it to see that? And what your saying is its the hardwares fault because it's either boosting to much or not enough. Eh I'm sorry to say but One cars different then the other. Ecspecially on the wastegate side. It's not the hardwares fault that the wastegate rod is adjusted from factory at a certain point. Or that te elevation of a certain car is high.



I mean if it's the "cars/hardwares fault" make sure to say it when you sell your "canned tunes" to people. Let them know hey the problem is your car if you don't boost correctly on out tune. So if it don't boost correct make 20 adjustments to make it right. Oh but wait if you want to send us a log we can change the desired wgdc and fix it for you.

 

Yes, it will be different on another car, but not because the ECM is wrong. If the turbo is set up to spec, then the same file will work on both cars. Do you think GM adjusted the ECMs on every car? No, they just set up the wastegates consistently.

Here's the real question, though. Why do you call our tune a canned tune? We clearly make adjustments for people and always have. What makes it special when you do the same thing?

 

Matt, your tune you send out on Ecms is a canned tune. It's a file from one car put on another with no adjustments. (unless the owner of that ECM decides to send you a log so you can adjust what needs to be adjusted). If I send someone a tune or help someone out I clearly say adjust accordingly. You and I know every cars wastegate rod isn't adjusted at the Same points. So commanding one thing won't work on one to another.

 

Apparently you don't know much about our ECMs. I rarely just pass a file on to another customer. We offer any changes that people might think to ask for and we tailor the tune to the mods.

 

Actually Matt I do, it looks like you don't because you think just putting a set wgdc from one car onto another will get you the commended load. Which most of the time it will not. It's not gonna be the same from one to another. You can make adjustments to it and make it right. but you guys do sale a "canned tune" which have no adjustments to give correct loads for a certain cars area or it's rod adjustments. (oh but wait that's the owners of the cars fault, not the tunes it's never zzps fault.. Even though the tune is commanding one wgdc when it should be commanding something else)....... So from the looks of it, you look like you got upset I called you out on this. I stated I didn't want to cause drama but check it out Matt from Zzp always wants to be a badass.

 

James, I clearly explained how if the wastegate is set up to spec then the ecm will work correctly. At no time did I ever say anything remotely close to it being the customer's fault if they need adjustments. In most cases they purchased the car used or had to have the turbo replaced, or the turbo is just old and wearing out. I can assure you that if the mechanical parts of the turbo system are functioning the way that they are supposed to, then the same duty cycle charts would work correctly on multiple cars. This is a fact. You can twist that around and say that I am somehow trying to blame something on a customer, but it makes no sense because we are talking about a hypothetical situation. What customer would I be blaming it on?

Don't try talking about how you said you didn't want drama. That's just you being a coward. It's like, "Hey, no offense but,... (fill in with offensive statement.) If you have something to say, just say it without trying to proclaim your innocense in the process.

 

This is what I can never figure out about you. I have clearly stated a few times that there are differences and that we will make adjustments free of charge. Yet somehow you think that I am saying that there are no differences. It's astonishing watching you say things like this.