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Why are we back on the TC vs SC thing again? We all should know by now that stock for stock, the TC is a far superior car. Better straight line, better cornering, better brakes, just better. As of now it takes a stage 2 SS/SC to beat or hang with a stock TC. The thing that is great about the TC is that it takes no more than a simple $250-300 tune to get them in the 300whp range and even more torque. I'd be content with installing an intake, DP, exhaust and a tune to push 300+whp and torque and still be street driven and look like a stock car. Slap some DR's on it and you have an easy 12 second car, easily. I was all for getting an SS/SC before I heard about the TC coming out. It's just a day and night difference between a SC and TC on a 4 cylinder car. Yeah you can swap the SC for a TC on the LSJ and put down over 400whp, but how many people are willing to do all of that work, besides half of the people who like their SC more than the TC like the SC's whine more than anything. I'm not bickering and saying all SS/SC's suck, I just like the fact that for less than $500 you can push over 300whp and torque and run 12's with a set of DR's.
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Usually old means past tense, They don't produce them anymore while they still do make the SS/TC's so thats what I am referring to about old vs new. Put a lambo engine in a 08-09 SS and it also isn't slow anymore. Stock vs Stock? I really don't think so.
^ Youuu soooo smaart
Thanks for the english lesson .... Get over your car dude
Also, if you look at the 1/4 mile time slips on this site alot of stock ss/sc are running what stock ss/tc are running low 14's ....
SS/TC,STOCK,THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)slowstang, 13.564@104.35 w/2.064 60' Timeslip
2.)MARIN007,13.66@104.25 w/2.17 60' Timeslip Video
3.)SpotredSS,14.06@103.37 w/2.54 60'
4.)Darcy,14.06@102.65 w/2.26 60'
5.)PimpLay2,14.28@100.28 w/2.37 60'
6.)1WhiteSSTC, 14.42@100.50 w/2.32 60'Timeslip PIC
SS/SC ,STOCK,THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)madeinUSA,14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
2.)Tofu,14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
3.)STG2BALT,14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
4.)R&C_rallySS,14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
5.)SS4ME, 14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60' Timeslip Pic
6.)Julex,14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'
7.)X3r0,14.34@97.81 w/2.23 60'
8.)NGalaxyTimmyo,14.35@99.36 w/2.27 60'
9.)NewEraPerformance,14.37@97.65 w/2.29 60'
10.)chipmonk212121,14.37@98.26 w/2.22 60'
^ Youuu soooo smaart
Thanks for the english lesson .... Get over your car dudeAlso, if you look at the 1/4 mile time slips on this site alot of stock ss/sc are running what stock ss/tc are running low 14's ....
SS/TC,STOCK,THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)slowstang, 13.564@104.35 w/2.064 60' Timeslip
2.)MARIN007,13.66@104.25 w/2.17 60' Timeslip Video
3.)SpotredSS,14.06@103.37 w/2.54 60'
4.)Darcy,14.06@102.65 w/2.26 60'
5.)PimpLay2,14.28@100.28 w/2.37 60'
6.)1WhiteSSTC, 14.42@100.50 w/2.32 60'Timeslip PIC
SS/SC ,STOCK,THE WAY IT IS FROM THE FACTORY
1.)madeinUSA,14.06@99.34 w/2.18 60'
2.)Tofu,14.12@97.29 w/2.00 60'
3.)STG2BALT,14.16@99.94 w/2.21 60'
4.)R&C_rallySS,14.24@100.06 w/2.23 60'
5.)SS4ME, 14.25@98.98 w/2.21 60' Timeslip Pic
6.)Julex,14.29@99.60 w/2.19 60'
7.)X3r0,14.34@97.81 w/2.23 60'
8.)NGalaxyTimmyo,14.35@99.36 w/2.27 60'
9.)NewEraPerformance,14.37@97.65 w/2.29 60'
10.)chipmonk212121,14.37@98.26 w/2.22 60'
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well I bought the TC I pick it up saturday. I will post pics. Thx for the help peoples
And the injection system is gonna **** me off once I started gettin into it. But its worth it.
And the injection system is gonna **** me off once I started gettin into it. But its worth it.
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im not talking down the lnf by any means. im simply stating the facts of it. it is just that people think the lnf car is all so high and mighty to the lsj. not the case.
you're awfully cocky for being new to this game.
you're awfully cocky for being new to this game.
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so i'll just keep my old n busted 400hp ss/sc and be happy
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I am not raving all about how the SC is a POS and nobody should even look at one but you SC have your heads up your asses as you think all the TC people think we are gods compared to you lnf people.
There always going to be somebody faster and right now its the TC, 2 years ago, the SC version was faster then the NA SS and I am sure this same BS went on because you some of you people are ******* stupid.
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I am not cocky. I am just stating the facts, if certain people can't handle it then thats not my problem. I never said the TC was 200000% better then the SC, I just said the SC is old and slow and the TC is new and fast which is true because a TC can beat a SC.
I am not raving all about how the SC is a POS and nobody should even look at one but you SC have your heads up your asses as you think all the TC people think we are gods compared to you lnf people.
There always going to be somebody faster and right now its the TC, 2 years ago, the SC version was faster then the NA SS and I am sure this same BS went on because you some of you people are ******* stupid.
I am not raving all about how the SC is a POS and nobody should even look at one but you SC have your heads up your asses as you think all the TC people think we are gods compared to you lnf people.
There always going to be somebody faster and right now its the TC, 2 years ago, the SC version was faster then the NA SS and I am sure this same BS went on because you some of you people are ******* stupid.
are heads are not up our asses .... all you SS/TC people think you are gods .... half of you traded your SS/SC for the SS/TC because you wanted to jump on the wagon and get the next best thing out there. Instead you could have saved that money and put it into the SS/SC and made it a TVS car .... I'm so sick of reading this crap .... WE ALL HAVE COBALT SS's and yet we fight with each other instead of the other competition that's out there for our cars. Like I said before get over yourself and your car.
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you haven't been here long enough to attack some people without any basis behind it other than "i own one" or the always popular "i read it in a magazine"
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
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are heads are not up our asses .... all you SS/TC people think you are gods .... half of you traded your SS/SC for the SS/TC because you wanted to jump on the wagon and get the next best thing out there. Instead you could have saved that money and put it into the SS/SC and made it a TVS car .... I'm so sick of reading this crap .... WE ALL HAVE COBALT SS's and yet we fight with each other instead of the other competition that's out there for our cars. Like I said before get over yourself and your car.
you haven't been here long enough to attack some people without any basis behind it other than "i own one" or the always popular "i read it in a magazine"
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
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are heads are not up our asses .... all you SS/TC people think you are gods .... half of you traded your SS/SC for the SS/TC because you wanted to jump on the wagon and get the next best thing out there. Instead you could have saved that money and put it into the SS/SC and made it a TVS car .... I'm so sick of reading this crap .... WE ALL HAVE COBALT SS's and yet we fight with each other instead of the other competition that's out there for our cars. Like I said before get over yourself and your car.
you haven't been here long enough to attack some people without any basis behind it other than "i own one" or the always popular "i read it in a magazine"
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
p.s. the fastest cars on this site are LSJ powered.
please do a bit more reading and gathering of facts before coming at someone who most likely knows more. it works better in your favor in the end if you make an intelligent post from the word go.
I know the fastest cars are LSJ's but I am sure one day that will change.
I am not saying i need to read more or don't but nothing I have said it beyond crazy. I never once bashed the older SS or anything, you people are just too defensive.
Anyways back on topic. I would go with a TC any day of the week and keep it stock, have warranty for 5 years and then after the 5 years is up, sell it and buy a new car.
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Actually, yes. (and you say cereal is cocky). I have taken my LNF twice out of storage to bring to my uncles performance shop to run some diagnostics. If you want a better built chevy, you need to go state side. He's been building race engines since the 50's... I loved my LSJ as well, dont get it twisted here.
In regards to you're comment to cereal...
you're awfully cocky for being new to this game
You have contributed lots to this forum, I used to respect you're opinions.
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if you know it. then what is the limit of the fuel injectors in the lnf cars.
also. somethings you are forgetting when comparing the two engines.
lnf. cam control. boost control. turbo
lsj. um, thats about it.
you can increase and decrease the boost in the lnf. only decrease in the lsj. we don't have control over the variable cam gears. ours are static. turbo. see boost control.
direct injection allows leaner running. there is a reason why the lnf cars only run 9-10 degree's of timing from the factory and knock their asses off when they do it.
also. somethings you are forgetting when comparing the two engines.
lnf. cam control. boost control. turbo
lsj. um, thats about it.
you can increase and decrease the boost in the lnf. only decrease in the lsj. we don't have control over the variable cam gears. ours are static. turbo. see boost control.
direct injection allows leaner running. there is a reason why the lnf cars only run 9-10 degree's of timing from the factory and knock their asses off when they do it.
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if you know it. then what is the limit of the fuel injectors in the lnf cars.
also. somethings you are forgetting when comparing the two engines.
lnf. cam control. boost control. turbo
lsj. um, thats about it.
you can increase and decrease the boost in the lnf. only decrease in the lsj. we don't have control over the variable cam gears. ours are static. turbo. see boost control.
direct injection allows leaner running. there is a reason why the lnf cars only run 9-10 degree's of timing from the factory and knock their asses off when they do it.
also. somethings you are forgetting when comparing the two engines.
lnf. cam control. boost control. turbo
lsj. um, thats about it.
you can increase and decrease the boost in the lnf. only decrease in the lsj. we don't have control over the variable cam gears. ours are static. turbo. see boost control.
direct injection allows leaner running. there is a reason why the lnf cars only run 9-10 degree's of timing from the factory and knock their asses off when they do it.
I have no clue on limits of the fuel injectors and i happily admit it. When I do something that will push the limits of my fuel injectors, then I will learn all about it.
I am not saying I know everything or even alot and if you check my post history you see see mostly all questions. I just know that I would prefer a TC and that I don't think my car is a god but lots of LSJ owners are really jealous or something because they bash the lnf owners like crazy thinking that we think our cars are made of gold.
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im not jealous of the lnf by any means. stock for stock. yes it is a better car. when you start counting mod for mod. the lsj comes ahead.
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
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im not jealous of the lnf by any means. stock for stock. yes it is a better car. when you start counting mod for mod. the lsj comes ahead.
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
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im not jealous of the lnf by any means. stock for stock. yes it is a better car. when you start counting mod for mod. the lsj comes ahead.
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
im just fighting against the "new blood" who have this mindset that the lnf is superior in every way and the lsj is the under dog against it in the same fashion. when in reality it isn't
How can you say that with so much conviction when there are so little mods out there for the LNF, and it's just getting out to the tuner market?
mod for mod... What does the lnf have , piping, fmic, intake, tune ?
Give it some time man...
tune for tune off a stock platform the LNF comes out on top... the rest are just basic bolts and we would be splitting hairs.
Im comparing the overall car, handling and refinement, not just the engine. My TC was cheaper than my SC was as well so even from a price perspective the TC beat out my SC
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Go back a page and read. That turbo swap 'just' came out and needs refining, but yes I would consider that a modest upgrade. But still there is plentu more to come... and were still in the infancy of the LNF's potential. Stop jumping to conclusions so quickly with the lnf, if you gave it half as much slack as you did the lsj, I think everything would be cool. You talk about it like its a flawed motor, when in reality, every engine has a weak spot... *ahem* 4th cyl ringland *ahem*. You just have to put you're ideas to work to get around it.
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Actually, yes. (and you say cereal is cocky). I have taken my LNF twice out of storage to bring to my uncles performance shop to run some diagnostics. If you want a better built chevy, you need to go state side. He's been building race engines since the 50's... I loved my LSJ as well, dont get it twisted here.
In regards to you're comment to cereal...
Dude, I know you know you're stuff but face it, why are you scared of a little competition in the cockyness dept? You're pretty much the most cockyest guy I know around here when it comes to talking about the lsj. When it comes to the LNF youre just ignorant.. That post about the injectors on the lnf has been made by you several times, and yes, I know a lot more about the LNF that you would think. Icluding the fuel system.... Not everyone is a nub and dumb. Youre hate on for the LNF is tiring....
You have contributed lots to this forum, I used to respect you're opinions.
In regards to you're comment to cereal...
Dude, I know you know you're stuff but face it, why are you scared of a little competition in the cockyness dept? You're pretty much the most cockyest guy I know around here when it comes to talking about the lsj. When it comes to the LNF youre just ignorant.. That post about the injectors on the lnf has been made by you several times, and yes, I know a lot more about the LNF that you would think. Icluding the fuel system.... Not everyone is a nub and dumb. Youre hate on for the LNF is tiring....
You have contributed lots to this forum, I used to respect you're opinions.
pure and simple question.
see above.
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