It's gonna sound like a Shop Vac motor...

 

No. I don't think so... (God I hope not.........) If so....

 

ROFL. I hope not too but with GM going broke I can't imagine its going to be a very strong Turbo. It does have more HP than my car does so I gotta respect it.

 

i like the lnf idea...i want to look into swapping out the goods...ie the rims are nice, the brakes, the seats, and if there is some way to transfer the no lift shift feature that would be awesome too....

 

They have the no Lift Shift feature? That's pretty sweet. I do like the wheels and brakes, I prefer my leather seats though to the cloth in the new ones.

 

Not with GM's direct injection.

 

again, what about the maxed out tranny? there's more factors than just the car having a turbo on it. remember, this is gm, and they do some really silly things.

 

That's the truth.

 

The maxed out Tranny will be brittle and when you take it in to get fixed under warrenty they are gonna say it's due to racing and you'll be screwed...

 

yep. another beutiful idea by gm. let's make a tranny that can't hold more than stock torque. i've been saying it for a while, and i have a big feeling that this cars going to be a HUGE disapointment. what good is a car if you have to spend 5,000 to swap a tranny before you can mod?

 

Good point. That is why I started this thread called : "Why the lnf" I think people just want something new

 

lol why is everyone already hating on a car that hasnt even come out yet?? I mean damn i can tell you right now im considering the car because i dont have to spend a **** load to get a good tune just so my car will run right if i would turbo it, then there is no warranty no reliability no nothing you just have to keep pouring money into the bitch

100,000 mile warranty compared to my 36,000 mile warranty i mean come on now....

 

people just look at the turbo, and think it must be an awesome car. just having a turbo doesn't mean anything. does anyone know that wants to buy this car know the limits of the turbo? do they realize how much of an absolute bitch this car will be to tune? i think people are expecting to buy this car, and put down 300 whp with no work, and that's not going to happen. you have to look at more than jsut the turbo. how much can the internals hold before they have to be upgraded? are they at or close to their limits like the tranny? these are things that people need to look into. look at how hard it is to get the cobalt above 270 whp. how many people on this site have more than 270, a handful? and the car has been out for 3 years. i think the next gen cobalt will have the same bad luck. i mean realistically who can afford to dish out all the money to invest to make the cobalt sturdy enough to start acually adding power. if you had that much money, you probably wouldn't be buying a cobalt. if the tranny thing is true, and you have to swap that out, and do some other supporting mods, you're now in evo price range.

 

I have 07 and 100,000 mile warranty. Unless they beef up the tranny, the car will be just as restricted as the sc.

 

i'm not hating, just saying that people are building it up too much without looking at ALL the facts. they're just seeing a turbo, and looking at other cars that have turbos, and assuming there's so much room for upgrades. let's let the car come out before we all jump to conclusions.

 

its getting the same tranny as the ss/sc, and that tranny BY GM IS RATED AT 285TQ! (number could be off a bit)

THATS RATED BY GENERAL MOTORS!!!!! THE COMPANY THAT PRODUCES THESE VEHICLES!!!

for the people that expect to get huge horsepower numbers (above 300) good luck to you , and prepare to invest alot into a new tranny...

theres not ALOT of major downsides to the 2.0L Cobalts, but one is the tranny..its not a simple numbers game (in terms of horsepower) you have to look at all the other factors like stated in the post above

 

I know, that I am only getting the new car because my warranty starts over, it's a new car, it has a turbo, it has a boost gauge, it has a 160 mph speedo, it has pretty neat seats, it has the lip kit, it has a short throw shifter, it's possible in the future to have an atmospheric BOV.

The list goes on for me, but the main reason, is the SOUND of a turbo/BOV/wastegate.

The only performance mods I plan are: Intake, Exhaust (dual), Headers, Downpipe, Intercooler piping, maybe a new intercooler, & a GM stage kit (if one is made).

 

Aren't the f23's rated to sumthing like 155 or 185tq? And there are f23 equipped cars running 11's

 

PSI doesn't matter, its all about the amount of air the turbo moves.

You can have a CT26 pushing 18psi, or a larger TD07-25g pushing 10psi that move the same amount of air.

(sorry for using the CT26, I used to have a MR2 and that is the stock turbo on the 3SGTE)

All that matters is the amount of air a turbo can move, regardless of "PSI".

 

Threads like these are ridiculous. The OP isn't open to opinions when he's already determined the car is nothing special in HIS eyes. As for all this "GM is in trouble or GM is broke talk", please learn to read about whats REALLY going on with GM besides what the media is telling you, and don't bring up the 39 billion loss to me because I've already explained it.

 

you mean the trannies in the 2.2/2.4??

 

no, i stated i was confused. i didn't state any opinions

 

GM is the largest car manufacture in the world if im not mistaken (could be) and is doing very strong right now...not just in north america but in the world

 

guys, check this link. shows the F35 that will be in the cobalt, and IS in the hhrss, and shows the max torque to be 258. that being said, technically the tranny is OVER the power limit from the factory. it's down towards the bottom of the page, here's the info for the lazy ones:

http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=trans_guide

Type: transverse front wheel drive, five speed manual transaxle.

Engine Range: 2.0L
Max Gearbox Torque: 258 lb.-ft.

Weight: 99 lbs.

Applications: Chevrolet Cobalt SS, Chevrolet HHR SS

 

thanks that was the post i was looking for