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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 01:44 AM
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The tires look worn? Huh? I bought it 2 months ago or so. Have only made one payment so far. Bought it with 12 miles and currently has 4397. The tires look fine I am a manger of a mechanics shop. I'm not sure where you are seeing worn tires as none are. Unless the pic is playing tricks on you.

And if you mean being hard on the car. Well I bought a sports car. If it can't handle it to be driven as such. Then it shouldn't be marketed as such.

Also I took those pictures before I even broke it in so again I'm not sure what you are talking about.


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Sounds like some small problems, see how it goes. Hell, you have a warranty for awhile...
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 01:47 AM
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tires really dont look that bad at all lol.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 02:19 AM
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It could be just the begining. Mine was in for the following
1. to replace a broken shifter knob
2. replace a broken drivers side inner door handle
3. sun roof adjustment
4. 3 times for the passenger power window
5. 02 sensor x 2
6. 2 times to adjust the shifter cables
7. 3 times because it would grind when cold when shifting from 3rd to 4th, but of course it would not
do it when it got to the dealer ship
8. a TPM on the drivers side front wheel
9. both key fobs replaced
10. Drivers side door saged and had to be adjusted
all this over a 2 and a half year period so I got rid of the fu*king thing, before the warrenty was up and the repairs started coming out of my pocket

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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ronn
I'm looking at the outer edges indicating very hard driving. I know..used to track a club car. Yes, the car is made to *drive like a sports car*.. just not in the break in period. I have a feeling that's what the problem is here.
Dude ........ Those tires are fine . They look like tire shine grabbed some dust and dirt and held on to it . The guy already said he doesn't like tire shine , so there it is..... dirt and old tire shine . My tires would look just like that if u turned around in a dirt driveway with old tire shine on them.

IT's very presumptuous of you to be on the guy's case about abuse acting like you know all. Didn't you buy a tuned LNF that you thought was stock ? Maybe your mistaken here aswell.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 05:56 AM
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I go through tires like I go through condoms...one hard ride and they are done. Last year I was riding on my second or third set under 14K miles, now this weekend I'll probably burn up my seventh set of BFG KDW2s...having a hard time finding a better tire in the grip vs. wear war. If you only knew what I do to my car, I call it spirited driving on a closed course...some call it ear to ear fun.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 08SSTCRD
Those issues, while widespread, were isolated to the 3100, 3400, and 3800 V6. It involved poor sealing between the lower intake and cylinder heads, resulting in coolant and oil mixing together in either system.

GM revised the intake design later on to address the issue. The plastic intake gaskets, which sagged and disintegrated over time, were replaced with aluminum gaskets with neoprene inserts. When doing this job, I always obtain GM gaskets, because many aftermarket ones such as FelPro still do not use the upgraded design.
I find this comment interesting. Whenever we do a LIM at the shop, we get the updated gasket from the dealer as well. Except the updated gasket they send us is still plastic but now has metal tabs in the spots where the old ones were known to break.
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Old Jul 10, 2010 | 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 06G5GT
I find this comment interesting. Whenever we do a LIM at the shop, we get the updated gasket from the dealer as well. Except the updated gasket they send us is still plastic but now has metal tabs in the spots where the old ones were known to break.
Which V6 are you referring to?? The 3800 Series II revised design uses all aluminum gaskets with neoprene inserts.

Originally Posted by demento
It could be just the begining. Mine was in for the following
1. to replace a broken shifter knob
2. replace a broken drivers side inner door handle
3. sun roof adjustment
4. 3 times for the passenger power window
5. 02 sensor x 2
6. 2 times to adjust the shifter cables
7. 3 times because it would grind when cold when shifting from 3rd to 4th, but of course it would not
do it when it got to the dealer ship
8. a TPM on the drivers side front wheel
9. both key fobs replaced
all this over a 2 and a half year period so I got rid of the fu*king thing, before the warrenty was up and the repairs started coming out of my pocket
Broken door handles, shift knobs, shift cables, and transmission gear clash??

Sounds more to me like you beat the living **** out of your car and then act surprised when things break. Door handles and shift cables don't break under normal use.

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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 06:14 AM
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Yeah the tires look fine.I think RONN should stick to making 10 threads about weather or not his car has a tune on it or not.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Billy Baldone
Yeah the tires look fine.I think RONN should stick to making 10 threads about weather or not his car has a tune on it or not.
This is what I'm saying.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 08SSTCRD
Its pretty obvious that the edges of the tires are very chewed up. Looks like some seriously hard cornering too place on those tires.



Actually GM has some of the best gaskets in the industry. While Honda and Toyota are still using cheap paper gaskets on their engines, GM upgraded to reuseable rubber/neoprene and aluminum gaskets around the time the LS series was coming out in 1997. My Dad's 2003 Chevy truck is a work vehicle and the engine and trans are bone dry with 110K miles on them. And by bone dry I mean not even any seepage, bone ******* dry.

On the other hand, my Mother's '03 Civic was leaking like a bastard from the oil pan with only 65K on it, so I had to replace the oil pan and crank seal. Also had a bad exhaust leak at the flex pipe. That motor was a real piece of garbage.
you do know, theres a issue with oil leaking from 3 spots on the lnf right? valve cover, and near the high pressure fuel pump? even a tsb on it.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by northvibe
you do know, theres a issue with oil leaking from 3 spots on the lnf right? valve cover, and near the high pressure fuel pump? even a tsb on it.
I'm well aware of that.

In general, GM has excellent engine sealing. Obviously there will always be a few exceptions to every standard.
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:06 PM
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kinda...bad...when...theres like 3 big leaks on so many engines though :/ mine has the issue
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Old Jul 11, 2010 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by northvibe
kinda...bad...when...theres like 3 big leaks on so many engines though :/ mine has the issue
Mine has some seepage by the high pressure fuel pump. No dripping, but there is oily residue collecting. Other than that, its bone dry.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CurrentlyPissed
First off I want to say I LOVE my cobalt SS. I enjoy it every day. I even like it *gasp* more than my previous 04 GTO.

BUT

I had a leak, took it in. And it was the timing cover ok mishaps happen little annoyed but whatever.

Then the tire monitoring system goes out. Well that's shitty ok whatever, get it fixed.

Now the crankshaft seal is leaking oil. This is all within 4500miles on the car!

AGH WHAT NEXT? I JUST WANT MY CAR!
Perhaps this might be of some help:


#PIE0003: EI09140 - Engine Oil Leak From Crankshaft Front Oil Seal (Engineering Information) - (Jul 17, 2009)

Subject: EI09140 -- Engine Oil Leak From Crankshaft Front Oil Seal (Engineering Information)

Models: 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt, Cobalt SS, HHR, HHR SS, Malibu

2009 Pontiac G5, G6, Solstice, Solstice GXP

2009 Saturn Aura, Sky, Sky Redline

Equipped with Engine RPO LAP, LE5, LE8, LE9 or LNF

Attention: Proceed with this bulletin ONLY if the customer has commented about this concern AND the EI number is listed in GMVIS. If the customer has not commented about this condition or the EI does not show in GMVIS, disregard the bulletin and proceed with diagnostics found in published service information. THIS IS NOT A RECALL -- refer to Service Bulletin 04-00-89-053B for more detail on the use of Engineering Information bulletins.

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Condition
Important: If the customer did not bring their vehicle in for this concern, DO NOT proceed with this bulletin.

Some customers may comment on an oil leak under the vehicle.

Further inspection will reveal the leak to be engine oil and show the leak is coming from the crankshaft front oil seal.

Cause
GM Engineering is attempting to determine the cause of the engine oil leak. General Motors has a need to gather information first-hand from the dealer technician DURING diagnosis and BEFORE repair. As a result, this information will be used by engineeering to help "root cause" the customer's concern and develop/validate a field fix.

Instructions
Important: GM Engineering is only interested in vehicles that have 16,093 km (10,000 mi) or less mileage.

First, verify the leak is engine oil using a leak detection lamp and dye. If the leak is engine oil and it is determined to be coming from the crankshaft front oil seal, please contact the engineer listed below for additional instructions. If the vehicle has mileage higher than 16,093 km (10,000 mi), proceed with diagnosing and repairing the vehicle based on information found in SI. Submit a Field Product Report with the repair information.



Unfortunately it sounds like it's a known issue, but they don't know root cause (though perhaps it has been updated since?).

Originally Posted by 08SSTCRD
Mine has some seepage by the high pressure fuel pump. No dripping, but there is oily residue collecting. Other than that, its bone dry.
Mine started at my camshaft end-plate and there was noticeable amounts of oil to the touch. Fixed that one. Now it's leaking near the camshaft position sensor (my block is nicely rust proofed for winter) and there is some evidence of sweating around the valve cover. I still intend to the get the TSB done, I just hate the thought of what is required to fix it when the motor runs find right now, the oil is just making a bit of a mess under the camshaft area.

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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 08SSTCRD
Which V6 are you referring to?? The 3800 Series II revised design uses all aluminum gaskets with neoprene inserts.



Broken door handles, shift knobs, shift cables, and transmission gear clash??

Sounds more to me like you beat the living **** out of your car and then act surprised when things break. Door handles and shift cables don't break under normal use.
Well when I said broken door handle I should of said the chrome tape on the fake chrome plastic handle came off, the cheap plastic top part of the shifter came off, the shifter cables did'nt break they had to be adusted, the transmission issue was when the car was cold. It was never **** kicked or raced around in. It was a cheap put togeter way too much plastic, entry level econo box, with a shitty low resale value.
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Old Jul 12, 2010 | 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by demento
Well when I said broken door handle I should of said the chrome tape on the fake chrome plastic handle came off, the cheap plastic top part of the shifter came off, the shifter cables did'nt break they had to be adusted, the transmission issue was when the car was cold. It was never **** kicked or raced around in. It was a cheap put togeter way too much plastic, entry level econo box, with a shitty low resale value.
Honda Civics do the same thing. The interior door handles are chromed in a plastic coating, which can chip off over time. I've actually cut myself on the peeling chrome on an '03 Honda Civic door handle.

My shifter top is sturdy and held in place. If it comes off by chance, glue it back on. Its not a big deal at all.

Your shifter cables had to be adjusted?? Wow, not a big deal. Welcome to the world of FWD, any time you have a linkage, whether it be shifter, clutch, parking brake, whatever, its going to eventually require some adjustment. Get over it.

Too much plastic?? LOL, you have no idea what you are talking about. Every interior of every car made since about 1980 is made of plastic. What else do you expect them to use?? Carbon fiber?? Steel?? Seriously, you are clueless.

Sounds to me like you're just trying to badmouth the car as opposed to bringing any valid concerns to the discussion.
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 08SSTCRD
Which V6 are you referring to?? The 3800 Series II revised design uses all aluminum gaskets with neoprene inserts.
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60 Degree V6 (Example: LA1 3400 SFI)
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Old Jul 13, 2010 | 01:37 AM
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sooooo....... did they like fix all this stuff in the 2010's? usually all the bugs get tweaked out the later the year of production.
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