$5000 budget
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$5000 budget
Ight check it out, I have about a $5000 budget that I can put into my car. Pretty much i'm aiming to use most of the money towards performance parts. I've been looking and researching some products, but I still dont know what exactly to get. The mods I have on my car is a gutted cat with 3 inch exhaust, hahn intake, and a reflash.
Some products that im interested in are:
-Hahn Intercooler
-Hahn Charge Piping
-Comp Cams
-Tial B.O.V.
-Spark Plugs
-Yokohama Tires
-Exedy Stage 3 clutch or Clutchmasters stage 3 or 4 clutch
-Racing Pistons
Some products that im interested in are:
-Hahn Intercooler
-Hahn Charge Piping
-Comp Cams
-Tial B.O.V.
-Spark Plugs
-Yokohama Tires
-Exedy Stage 3 clutch or Clutchmasters stage 3 or 4 clutch
-Racing Pistons
is that why its number 3 on the top 10 lnf list? i'ld say three and four. but hahn himself was using the stock piping and turbo when he took that spot. and i know they aren't the only ones up there is his products
price 
CIA is cheap for a limited time let me find exhibit A:
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...=181963&page=9
Heres the pricing for the ZZP downpipe 
http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1016&catid=155
CIA is cheap for a limited time let me find exhibit A:https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...=181963&page=9
"Interesting... But not accurate. You are trying to have people believe this is an "apples to apples" comparison of products. It is not. Your down-pipes are not similar but for the fact they replace the stock down-pipe using factory flanges.
You say the largest difference is the price? Not even close. You are advertising 100% 304 stainless, yet the ceramic core converter you offer is made of 409 stainless (high carbon steel content and will rust). The 304 stainless tubing you use does not show any production numbers or tubing manufacturer. It appears you are using Chinese made 304 stainless instead of "Rath Gibson" tubing which is made in America. We have tried Chinese 304 stainless ourselves and it is lower quality. It is slightly magnetic which reflects the high carbon steel content, it bends easier (also reflects the higher carbon steel content). It costs less but in my opinion the lack of quality wasn't worth the compromise. The flex coupler you use is longer and is being angle welded. This allows you to rely on the flex coupler to replace the first bend in the tube, instead of taking the time to duplicate the factory bends and rotation. Your "angled O2 bung" is not similar in any way to ours or Hahns. You are simply bending a piece of tubing and welding it on. With all of these differences, of course you can sell your down-pipes for less. Not to mention the $30.00 minimum profit you make on customers stock catalytic converters when they return them to you.
Customers are better off recycling the cat converters themselves. They can get $80.00 to $120.00 depending on the time of year.
So, for a limited time only, to show everyone our appreciation and our commitment to the absolute highest quality, we are happy to match ZZP pricing on stainless down-pipes.
But, for the same price you get the following:
100% 304 stainless tubing; Rath Gibson brand , made in America.
Mandrel bent tubing which duplicates the factory design perfectly, no short cuts using the flex coupler to replace a bend.
Correctly designed and fabricated O2 sensor chamber.
Superior flowing and constructed metallic core substrate converters using 100% 304 stainless, not ceramic core converters using inferior 409 stainless steel.
Heck, we'll even work with our customers to get them the best price for their used, stock converters.
Here's a link to a large picture of our stainless, catted Down-pipe with metallic core converter and dump option.
Feel free to click on the picture to enlarge. We are very proud of our work and have nothing to hide:
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/...s/P1070045.JPG "
You say the largest difference is the price? Not even close. You are advertising 100% 304 stainless, yet the ceramic core converter you offer is made of 409 stainless (high carbon steel content and will rust). The 304 stainless tubing you use does not show any production numbers or tubing manufacturer. It appears you are using Chinese made 304 stainless instead of "Rath Gibson" tubing which is made in America. We have tried Chinese 304 stainless ourselves and it is lower quality. It is slightly magnetic which reflects the high carbon steel content, it bends easier (also reflects the higher carbon steel content). It costs less but in my opinion the lack of quality wasn't worth the compromise. The flex coupler you use is longer and is being angle welded. This allows you to rely on the flex coupler to replace the first bend in the tube, instead of taking the time to duplicate the factory bends and rotation. Your "angled O2 bung" is not similar in any way to ours or Hahns. You are simply bending a piece of tubing and welding it on. With all of these differences, of course you can sell your down-pipes for less. Not to mention the $30.00 minimum profit you make on customers stock catalytic converters when they return them to you.
Customers are better off recycling the cat converters themselves. They can get $80.00 to $120.00 depending on the time of year.
So, for a limited time only, to show everyone our appreciation and our commitment to the absolute highest quality, we are happy to match ZZP pricing on stainless down-pipes.
But, for the same price you get the following:
100% 304 stainless tubing; Rath Gibson brand , made in America.
Mandrel bent tubing which duplicates the factory design perfectly, no short cuts using the flex coupler to replace a bend.
Correctly designed and fabricated O2 sensor chamber.
Superior flowing and constructed metallic core substrate converters using 100% 304 stainless, not ceramic core converters using inferior 409 stainless steel.
Heck, we'll even work with our customers to get them the best price for their used, stock converters.
Here's a link to a large picture of our stainless, catted Down-pipe with metallic core converter and dump option.
Feel free to click on the picture to enlarge. We are very proud of our work and have nothing to hide:
http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/...s/P1070045.JPG "
http://www.zzperformance.com/cobalt_...1016&catid=155
Last edited by CudaJoe; Sep 2, 2009 at 02:07 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
yes. Hahn is more expensive. CIA is a very good quality and was somewhat pricey. The guys that got a hold of a CIA DP will tell you the quaility is flawless. I bought mine for 320$ but Dan claims he's droppin the price to match ZZPs price. so that 240$ for a catless and 290$ for a catted.
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usually people would tell me you pay for what you get? In this case not really and I wanted to get a bigger intercooler and charge air piping. I've seen hahn's intercooler priced at like almost $800 thats alot of money
Nah, you can get good quality stuff for cheap. Companies will compete for your business. its the way of life. The CIA downpipe is at its all time cheapest right now and ZZP was the most affordable DP before CIA lowered their pricing. Crazy Steve's has a pretty good sized intercooler too for cheap. Charge piping from CIA or Dejon would be cheap I believe. All good quality stuff.
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Watch out for dejons intake. Almost rubbed a hole threw it. Not exactly bent right. Hahn is more expensive. But I love their products quality, looks, and not to mention awesome customer service. I had all dejons And I junked it for all Hahn. And Ima happy camper. Watch out for clutch installs thoe I'm going threw a bunch of bullshit with mine right now.
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Ight check it out, I have about a $5000 budget that I can put into my car. Pretty much i'm aiming to use most of the money towards performance parts. I've been looking and researching some products, but I still dont know what exactly to get. The mods I have on my car is a gutted cat with 3 inch exhaust, hahn intake, and a reflash.
Some products that im interested in are:
-Hahn Intercooler
-Hahn Charge Piping
-Comp Cams
-Tial B.O.V.
-Spark Plugs
-Yokohama Tires
-Exedy Stage 3 clutch or Clutchmasters stage 3 or 4 clutch
-Racing Pistons
Some products that im interested in are:
-Hahn Intercooler
-Hahn Charge Piping
-Comp Cams
-Tial B.O.V.
-Spark Plugs
-Yokohama Tires
-Exedy Stage 3 clutch or Clutchmasters stage 3 or 4 clutch
-Racing Pistons
Includes:
-GT2871r Turbo
-SynapseTurbo Exhaust Manifold
-SynapseTurbo 2 piece Downpipe
-SynapseTurbo Intercooler with Charge Piping
-SynapseTurbo 3 inch CAI
-Turboxs BOV
-Custom Oil/Coolant lines
-Hptuners Tuned File
http://www.synapseturbo.com/mm5/merc..._Code=features
