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mmm, sooooo hilarious, too bad all that has nothin to do with me,, look man, you live on, do your thing, continue bein a dick, whatever,,, jus like i said, lemme know when ur car takes a ****
i honestly dont see whats so funny, so i made a few comments about what i felt, and scythe stepped in and said no it wont ever happen and blah blah blah..... aaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa thats so ****** funny. all of ya are jus flat out retarded, thats what makes me laugh.
Wow guys, this is what css.net is made of? Come on!
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
i honestly dont see whats so funny, so i made a few comments about what i felt, and scythe stepped in and said no it wont ever happen and blah blah blah..... aaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa thats so ****** funny. all of ya are jus flat out retarded, thats what makes me laugh.
PS - Don't worry, no one would miss you.
And again, okay. When my car is running at 60K miles, I'll let you know...while your car still isn't drivable, and or you break it...again. =)
PS Hit 27K today! 7k on the new setup!
Wow guys, this is what css.net is made of? Come on!
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
About the trans yes its that infamous 3rd gear that is our down point from what I have gathered. I do not know the concrete reason why, but I can agree that trans casing is fragile once the higher bits of torque come in. The main issues I've seen are just from those who launch the car consistently. That 1st to 2nd shift gets some folkz.
I was talking with you all a while back before matts or my car was on the road with the turbos and I remember you all talking about them releasing, ever before said idiot talked about it. :P
OP... ZZP does good work. Very high quality. You won't be disappointed.


Oh my Jesus...
Oh my Jesus, again. Don't even start with that ****... it has nothing to do with ANYTHING we are talking about in this thread. And no matter what you've seen or done on your deployments... I guarantee you that I know at a minimum, 10 people that have seen/done worse. So don't bring that horse **** in here.
Matt already said he made 509, and he's on the S252ET.
And as an FYI to anyone that doesn't know... the LNF Trans Case it thicker/harder/better than the LSJ Trans Case. I didn't know this until John Powell mentioned it to me a couple of days ago.
Flex is the enemy. The case flexing and the shafts flexing. 3rd gear is in the middle of the shaft with no real support... so what happens, is the Case/Shafts flex and the gears start to pull apart. And then just the tips of the gears are supporting all that power... which is where they start ripping off. That and when they slap back together.
And I gave Dave (that's his name, right? I'm horrible with names.) one of my old transmissions at the CED Meet.
Hope they can make something out of it.


lol well no im not mad, im actually jus sittin here enjoying s nice night at the MWR in afghanistan. its great to have some time off like this, i mean, when ya go out on the road everyday and get **** shot at you and have trucks get blown to complete **** and all that, oh but you would never know anything about that cuz ur not here. this is my 2nd deployment dude, some of the **** i have done, been through, whatever ya wanna call it, gives me the "man" title... do you even know why we are here? do you even care? if all hell breaks loose, would you even know what to do? probly not. so again, im askin you, whos the kid now.
Wow guys, this is what css.net is made of? Come on!
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
First John and Ryan, I said that to hit 600whp you would need a secondary fuel system, I am sure Matt M would agree that at 550 that he is making (or w/e it was on the S256), that the stock fuel system was petering out.
Second, anything I have said about the trans are that it SEEMS that the case is fragile, and that 3rd gear seems to be our breaking point. Ryan, there are numerous trans failure threads on here, I have based my statement on those threads. There are things that can be done, of course, like ZZP changing the final drive to reduce stress on the gear set. But, there is nothing for those guys that want more. We will release a trans, it won't be cheap, and i bet we don't sell many, thats a fact, and we don't expect many sales. But, its there for the guy that needs/wants it.
As for everything else, moot points on both parts, IMO. Not even gonna go there.
And as an FYI to anyone that doesn't know... the LNF Trans Case it thicker/harder/better than the LSJ Trans Case. I didn't know this until John Powell mentioned it to me a couple of days ago.
Ah, now someone who knows what they're talking about steps in. I agree 100% to that Kriebs. Certain idiots that talk for you and throw your name out there again don't know what their talking about.
About the trans yes its that infamous 3rd gear that is our down point from what I have gathered. I do not know the concrete reason why, but I can agree that trans casing is fragile once the higher bits of torque come in. The main issues I've seen are just from those who launch the car consistently. That 1st to 2nd shift gets some folkz.
I was talking with you all a while back before matts or my car was on the road with the turbos and I remember you all talking about them releasing, ever before said idiot talked about it. :P
About the trans yes its that infamous 3rd gear that is our down point from what I have gathered. I do not know the concrete reason why, but I can agree that trans casing is fragile once the higher bits of torque come in. The main issues I've seen are just from those who launch the car consistently. That 1st to 2nd shift gets some folkz.
I was talking with you all a while back before matts or my car was on the road with the turbos and I remember you all talking about them releasing, ever before said idiot talked about it. :P
And I gave Dave (that's his name, right? I'm horrible with names.) one of my old transmissions at the CED Meet.

Hope they can make something out of it.
Even he agrees that my trans will be fine. =)
Oh my Jesus, again. Don't even start with that ****... it has nothing to do with ANYTHING we are talking about in this thread. And no matter what you've seen or done on your deployments... I guarantee you that I know at a minimum, 10 people that have seen/done worse. So don't bring that horse **** in here.
Matt already said he made 509, and he's on the S252ET.
And as an FYI to anyone that doesn't know... the LNF Trans Case it thicker/harder/better than the LSJ Trans Case. I didn't know this until John Powell mentioned it to me a couple of days ago.
Flex is the enemy. The case flexing and the shafts flexing. 3rd gear is in the middle of the shaft with no real support... so what happens, is the Case/Shafts flex and the gears start to pull apart. And then just the tips of the gears are supporting all that power... which is where they start ripping off. That and when they slap back together.
And I gave Dave (that's his name, right? I'm horrible with names.) one of my old transmissions at the CED Meet.

Hope they can make something out of it.
And that is good to know, thanks bro. I knew the casing and trans was slightly different than the LSJ one. Are you running the LNF trans right now or just an LSD LSJ one?
As far as flexing goes with 3rd, what about first? Is 1st supported or just as 'strong' as lets say '2nd' or '4th'? I hear the LNF doesn't like to be launched too well.
PS - Thank all the people who know what they're talking about for chiming in as well
OP... ZZP does good work. Very high quality. You won't be disappointed.
Oh my Jesus...
Oh my Jesus, again. Don't even start with that ****... it has nothing to do with ANYTHING we are talking about in this thread. And no matter what you've seen or done on your deployments... I guarantee you that I know at a minimum, 10 people that have seen/done worse. So don't bring that horse **** in here.
Matt already said he made 509, and he's on the S252ET.
And as an FYI to anyone that doesn't know... the LNF Trans Case it thicker/harder/better than the LSJ Trans Case. I didn't know this until John Powell mentioned it to me a couple of days ago.
Flex is the enemy. The case flexing and the shafts flexing. 3rd gear is in the middle of the shaft with no real support... so what happens, is the Case/Shafts flex and the gears start to pull apart. And then just the tips of the gears are supporting all that power... which is where they start ripping off. That and when they slap back together.
And I gave Dave (that's his name, right? I'm horrible with names.) one of my old transmissions at the CED Meet.
Hope they can make something out of it.
Oh my Jesus...
Oh my Jesus, again. Don't even start with that ****... it has nothing to do with ANYTHING we are talking about in this thread. And no matter what you've seen or done on your deployments... I guarantee you that I know at a minimum, 10 people that have seen/done worse. So don't bring that horse **** in here.
Matt already said he made 509, and he's on the S252ET.
And as an FYI to anyone that doesn't know... the LNF Trans Case it thicker/harder/better than the LSJ Trans Case. I didn't know this until John Powell mentioned it to me a couple of days ago.
Flex is the enemy. The case flexing and the shafts flexing. 3rd gear is in the middle of the shaft with no real support... so what happens, is the Case/Shafts flex and the gears start to pull apart. And then just the tips of the gears are supporting all that power... which is where they start ripping off. That and when they slap back together.
And I gave Dave (that's his name, right? I'm horrible with names.) one of my old transmissions at the CED Meet.

Hope they can make something out of it.
That's the reason why you can break 3rd gear from a roll with enough torque. I don't know what werks are planning to do, but I know what mkriebs means when he says it will be expensive. I had 2 custom gears made for one of my lathe (chinese pos, but with a 8,250'' spindle bore...) and they were 300$ each. Straight cut with a plain bore, so you can imagine the cost of a complete custom gearset with all the splined shaft etc..
Scythe, I don't know of anyone that have blown 1st gear yet ?! But even if it's supported, you can still blow all the teeth from the gear, with enough traction.
Confirmed. Matt made even more than that on the 256, but then the rods started bending, and he lowered it a bit. 
And that is good to know, thanks bro. I knew the casing and trans was slightly different than the LSJ one. Are you running the LNF trans right now or just an LSD LSJ one?
As far as flexing goes with 3rd, what about first? Is 1st supported or just as 'strong' as lets say '2nd' or '4th'? I hear the LNF doesn't like to be launched too well.
PS - Thank all the people who know what they're talking about for chiming in as well
And that is good to know, thanks bro. I knew the casing and trans was slightly different than the LSJ one. Are you running the LNF trans right now or just an LSD LSJ one?
As far as flexing goes with 3rd, what about first? Is 1st supported or just as 'strong' as lets say '2nd' or '4th'? I hear the LNF doesn't like to be launched too well.
PS - Thank all the people who know what they're talking about for chiming in as well

And I haven't known anyone to have problems with 1st gear tearing itself apart. You aren't in that gear very long and I don't think there is as much load on the gear itself. The initial shock, yes... but like I said, I don't know of anyone to have problems with it. I missed out on a lot of info in the last year though. Hell, I didn't even know that Cam (BLOWN 4-BANGER) had sold his car until a couple of weeks ago.
That's the reason why you can break 3rd gear from a roll with enough torque. I don't know what werks are planning to do, but I know what mkriebs means when he says it will be expensive. I had 2 custom gears made for one of my lathe (chinese pos, but with a 8,250'' spindle bore...) and they were 300$ each. Straight cut with a plain bore, so you can image the cost of a complete custom gearset with all the splined shaft etc..
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And it's worth the multiple thousands with all the work involved in engineering / machining / heat treating / grinding a custom gearset. Maybe a custom 1-4 straight cut gearset with dog box would be cheaper, but try driving that everyday.
a lot cheaper than you think. hhr ss flexplate, hhr ss converter modded for high stall. convert 4t45e to manual valvebody, auto tranny mounts. then just have to figure out the axles. no harness' required since it won't need to communicate with the PCM, the PCM won't even know its there
a lot cheaper than you think. hhr ss flexplate, hhr ss converter modded for high stall. convert 4t45e to manual valvebody, auto tranny mounts. then just have to figure out the axles. no harness' required since it won't need to communicate with the PCM, the PCM won't even know its there
that wasn't a 4t45e. its a different one-off trans. and he is wiring it in to the PCM and needs the PCM/TCM to communicate. he is factoring labor into it too. a simple trans controller with a manual valvebody will be much simpler/cleaner. you just have to shift your own gears which is no big deal
a lot cheaper than you think. hhr ss flexplate, hhr ss converter modded for high stall. convert 4t45e to manual valvebody, auto tranny mounts. then just have to figure out the axles. no harness' required since it won't need to communicate with the PCM, the PCM won't even know its there
that wasn't a 4t45e. its a different one-off trans. and he is wiring it in to the PCM and needs the PCM/TCM to communicate. he is factoring labor into it too. a simple trans controller with a manual valvebody will be much simpler/cleaner. you just have to shift your own gears which is no big deal
yea, say wha tya want scythe. **** off. and you field MP guy, i have done far more **** than a lot of people over here. jus cuz im an 88m doin mean ****. we roll as QRF, and do patrols up in the ****** hills every day, you watch the news? thanks to us and our battalion, the taliban is gettin their asses handed to them. makes me wonder what other units in the army do when they deploy, sit on their asses and do what? sorry bud, no slack leads the way.
yea, say wha tya want scythe. **** off. and you field MP guy, i have done far more **** than a lot of people over here. jus cuz im an 88m doin mean ****. we roll as QRF, and do patrols up in the ****** hills every day, you watch the news? thanks to us and our battalion, the taliban is gettin their asses handed to them. makes me wonder what other units in the army do when they deploy, sit on their asses and do what? sorry bud, no slack leads the way.
first of all, i wasnt wrong. you just didnt know how to read, and at the same time think... so thats your bad... thats really all i have to say, and yea idc what the other guy whats his nuts has to say, he also dont know **** about me, none of ya do. you and some other people on here just like to judge people by the **** they say on here,,,, that,, is clearly what a ******** is. i dont care, if this all makes you laugh, by all means, go ahead. i have no problem comin on here and providing you entertainment. its funny for me as well.
Oh man. Watch out people. You're dealing with an original gangsta right here. The Army's got him at the tip of the spear... leading the way... being all the he can be, in the Aaaaarrrrrrrrrmmyy.
What would I know? I didn't do anything cool in my days as a Marine. Just boring stuff like patrol Fallujah in 2004 using little tin can Humvee's without any armor. Back then Iraq was all grassy fields with rivers of chocolate... where the children played for hours... and we sat around campfires and talked about friendship and love. What the hell would I know about Combat?
When it comes down to it. No one is really listening to what you're saying anymore. Please... just stop posting non-sense in this thread. I know I'm done.
What would I know? I didn't do anything cool in my days as a Marine. Just boring stuff like patrol Fallujah in 2004 using little tin can Humvee's without any armor. Back then Iraq was all grassy fields with rivers of chocolate... where the children played for hours... and we sat around campfires and talked about friendship and love. What the hell would I know about Combat?
When it comes down to it. No one is really listening to what you're saying anymore. Please... just stop posting non-sense in this thread. I know I'm done.




