can they get more horsepower out of the turbo then what they have now or is that the max. does anyone know if there going to get more fuel than what there at now and are they working on it.

 

Your guess is as good as mine there is always something you can do for power, but do to the lNF's direct injection system fuel is limited. The only thing you can hope for is for a company to make a larger set of nozzles for the injectors on your cars.

 

They made like 540whp (I think) but the rods bent at that point. If you build the motor Im sure you could get similar results!

They use a TF/HP Combo tune to address the fueling issues.

 

I'm sure theres more hp that could be pushed out but probably not untill the motor is built

If your looking for results much greater then 450-500hp, I would build the motor or else it's gonna be a ticking clock

I dont know how much exactcly ZZP pushed out before they bent the rod but I know it was somehwere around what BYT said

Very good kit IMO, thinking bout picking one up over the winter

 

There's always power in the head.

 

Bolt-ons, ported head and a s252et kit will net you low 400's. How much power do you want? Im aiming to eventually get 400whp with a healthy power band. After that the car will start to become a handful on the street, unless you like doing 60+ rolls lol

 

Bad idea to port the head on direct injection it Can make the fuel and air atomize incorrectly and cause knock

 

Matts LNF made over 400whp easily without a ported head.

 

By "easily" he means it broke 500whp on the stock head. (509 std on a dynojet)

 

ok thanks

 

did you guys port out the Intake manifold at all? there were some healthy gains from the MS3 IM being ported, dropped boost some and gained like 20 some hp. The stock one had to be cut in half though, ported then welded back together.

 

No, we have not done any port work on the intake. We haven't really even looked at it much to see what could be done.

 

Once someone gets to blueprint/balance the LNF motor, and does everything from top to bottom.. tuned turbo/tuned pipes/pistons/sleeves/rods/rings/crank/valves/springs/cams/inj(hi-flo)/
fuel pump/4spd-3.96 or 4.11/3''kevlar shafts/etc.. and i mean everything to sqeeze out every drop..

From experience, it would make sense if the motor was built from botton to top, to make any real whp gains for a ported head.. but porting the head w/simple mods just to make a few whp, it's a waste of money and tune time to adjust trim (pita).. really.. to gain 10whp? IMO..

 

does anyone make aftermarket rods

 

same ....

 

I'll be pickin up one of these kits come next tax season!

 

I have the upgrade on my car. I now have over 31K miles on the car. ZZP made 434whp on my car. I had a 911 pull up beside me the other day and was looking to show me how fast he was. Then a little cobalt could kicked his ass! That guy could not figure out what just happened to him.
The car is a blast!

 

well, this brings up my 2 cents,, im not gona go past 500 due to not wanting to drop 10k on a secondary fuel system and a new intake manifold with injectors in it.. IMO, there just isnt any reason to go past 500 just yet anyways, nobody really builds any transmissions for us yet, im droppin money to have one made but thats just me, im more concerned for the rest of ya, i mean, why the **** dont people make **** for our cars? seems like all the aftermarket companies dont give 2 ***** about a damn cobalt ss, but if its a ****** srt-4 or a civic etc etc,, they have ANYTHING for them... if it wasnt so limited right now, i would say yes on dropping an extra 10k for more fuel and a 60?? turbo for around 600whp...

 

Because it's a Cobalt. People with the money to spend on hi perf transmissions don't usually spend the money on a Cobalt.

 

well, i would say that these ss/tc's have brought on a new front as far as how many people are modding them out, building them up, etc,,, i mean, just with the basics you can easily get 400whp, which will blow your tranny if ya aint careful, so why stop at 400? i know people think the same way i do about this, so somebody, or all of us, need to start doin some homework and makin some phonecalls to get some **** made that we really need... examples,, transmission, axles, radiators, and the list goes on... it would mean money for the people who started makin **** for us because sooooo many people nowdays are wantin to up the power level...

this really pisses me off, see, the money im about to spend on my car is hopefully going to set a good example for everybody, im goin all out, transmission, axles, radiator, everything. when its all said and done, I HOPE that everyone else will be able to get the same product. im not the only one that needs all that and so what if its a cobalt, its better than the POS srt-4 so **** needs to be made for it.

 

Okay...on the S252 they are pushing mid-400s (Upper 400s on a dynojet) on a mustang dyno, on the 256 they made over 500 (Near 600 on a dynojet) on a mustang dyno...how much more power do you want than that?

ZZP is working everyday to find more tricks and items to make more and more power and as far as times go they're running the best ones to date and trying to see what the cars can do on their setups.


False information. I am currently running the S252 on my car and I am well over 400 on the mustang dyno (btw the mustang dyno reads lower than the typical dyno jet that the cobalt community tends to use). And trust me, with 400 on that dyno the car is a handful already. A very fun handful, but one none the less.

1) Secondary fueling system? Do you know how much R and D and modifications that would take? And there are already people going far past 500 on stock fueling system. Please...dude, think before you speak.

2) The car has been out for 2 and a half years. The SRT wasn't popular when it came out either, they jumped on it after the cars were out of production.

3) They don't make stuff for our cars because of people like you who constantly bag and moan and complain about said companies and then try to come back and know what they're talking about. There is no demand for parts in the masses, so companies don't want to jump on a FWD american spo-com.

4) Don't be concerned with the rest of. Worry about yourself and actually getting a setup worthwhile so you can stop crying and moaning about the car and wanting to sell it every 20 minutes.

5) Again, 600....okay do a bit of math for me. whats 15% of 520? Add that onto 520 and thats how much power companies have made. Since the cobalt community loves the dyno jet, there ya go, a 600 hp car with the stock fuel system. Please stop trying to pretend you know what you're talking about

No, 400 hp will not blow your tranny. What you do with the car will grenade your transmission. You can kill it on stock turbo with bolt ons. There are big HP making cars running good times on the same transmission we're running.

Its going to take more than phonecalls and homework. Its going to take demand. Its a business market. Companies will not make parts for cars that they won't see a profit with. Most cobalt owners are cheap, young, and want easy power. It would not mean money for the people to start making these for us as the people who would want and actually buy these parts are few and far, just like the people who actually know a damn thing about the car.

I have 2 "POS" SRT-4s that would hand you your ass any day of the week on whatever setup you're running. I really hope you don't go on other forums talking your random bullshit. If people think you speak on behalf of the cobalt community it would explain why so many people think what they do about us....

 

Well put Scythe! Thanks for clearing up the misinformation posted.

 

So more or less you are agreeing with me???? Other than the ported head part and I dont know about where you live but mustang dyno arent the most common dyno type around here. I only know of one shop with a mustang dyno thats reasonably close to me and I just found them like 1 month ago. Your making it seem like we (the cobalt community) seeks out the highest reading dyno on purpose to get the best numbers(which might be true in some instances). Hell I didnt know what dyno I ran on until I was on it, so I guess im not part of that generalization.

 

The only reason I quoted you was to correct the ported head that was all, with said ported head it would be in the mid to upper 400s. I consider 420+ not quite in the low 400s.

And in the numerous years I've been here, that is exactly what most of the cobalt community does. They want higher numbers, so they get on a dynojet. Way back in the early days of the SS/SC's one or two people went on a mustang dyno and cried about putting 180 down to the ground, ever since then most people have strayed away from the mustang dyno and it wasn't until recently that a few people went back to using it.

And it says where I live in my sig. Chicagoland area.

 

lol I didnt mean like what city you lived in I meant it like what you have for dyno's in your area. But yeah im sure there are some people that want to goto the shop that gives abnormally high numbers. At the end of the day its what the car does on the road/track that counts