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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 05:44 AM
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Clear Image Automotive dyno testing, flow bench testing and more...

Well, this thread is going to evolve as more data is available.

We built the following products today:

3" down-pipe with hi-flow converter - not tested yet.
3" exhaust system - not tested yet.

"Low cost cold air intake" - dyno tested

We also dyno and flow bench tested our 2 1/2" boost tubing kit.
We dyno and flow bench tested a boost tubing kit with 2 1/2" cold side and 2" hot side tubing.
We flow bench tested the stock charge tubing, both the hot and cold side.

Performance tune by TriFecta Performance was optimized.

First of all, the owner of the car, Daniel, was extremely helpfull as we put him to work yesterday morning after a long 3 hour drive. He pulled the front bumper on his car and assisted with every aspect of the product development, installation and tear-down.

As a manufacturer, we have the capability to Mandrel bend tubing from 1 1/2" up to 3", form all of our own collectors, flare tubing, reduce tubing, bead-roll tubing, weld, machine, etc, etc. Everything is done by our own hands, in-house. We could have designed and build pretty much anything for this car yesterday.

With that being said;

We will start with the cold air intake. In a nutsheell, it was determined that any and all long intake systems which relocate the air filter down behind the front bumper is not only completely pointless, but a waste of money and, more importantly, an extreme risk for the owner of the vehicle. Let me elaborate... With the front bumper removed, we placed the air filter down in the exact location as our competitor. With the car sitting on the ground, the air filter was only 14" off the ground. So what you say? Three years ago the engine in my wifes 05 Dodge Durango hydro-locked because of the "bottom feeder" style intake kit I had built. The air filter, sitting 17" off the ground, in a very wet environment, I had the bad luck of driving down a road I had never been on before. There was a puddle I attempted to drive through. Half way through the very deep water the engine stalled. The "bottom feeder" intake had been submerged enough for the engine to ingest enough water to hydro-lock the engine. Meaning: water can not be compressed under any circumstance. Once the water made it into the combustion chambers, that was it. Two rods broke and blew through the side of the engine block. Moral of the story: the air filter on the Cobalt, today, was 3" lower than a stock Dodge Durango and the end result was destruction of the engine costing over $6,000.00. As a manufacturer, we can design and build a "bottom feeder" intake just like any other company, BUT, we highly suggest you do NOT order such an intake kit from us or anyone. Period. Unless you live in an extremely dry climate or you are of the adventurous type and like high risk.

Forgetting the potential destruction of your engine, lets move on to the installation of a "bottom feeding" cold air intake system. We had a GM Tech removing the front bumper, assisting with the work and re-installing the bumper. The install of a cold air intake like this will be a minimum of two hours and require removing the front bumper or getting very creative. Next, if we build a "bottom feeder" cold air intake, the cost will be roughly the same as every other company offering one; $200.00. Now onto the most interesting part, the performance. On the dyno we simply removed the stock, very restrictive, air filter. We kept the stock air box and made an additional 14 HP to the wheels. We designed and built a very simple, easy to install, safely located intake which will cost no more than $100.00, and we made roughly 15 additional HP to the wheels.

In a nutsheel, we have decided to offer a cold air intake kit which will use an S&B cone filter, (which is superior to anything else being offered), include a filter cleaning/service kit, can be installed in less than 10 minutes and will give you 15 additional HP to the wheels. You do NOT have to remove your front bumper and there is absolutely NO risk of hydro-locking/destroying your engine from driving through a puddle deeper than you expected.

I'm at home now so I do not have the pictures or dyno charts or data logs available, but I will up-date and post all Monday.

Oh, did I mention the Tri-Fecta tune we offer for $250.00? The one that made an additional 50 lbs./ft. of torque and 35 HP to the wheels? Yeah, we have that too. No other comany in the industry can deliver the same performance per dollar as Clear Image Automotive and TriFecta Performance. We're very proud of that fact.

More coming...

Thanks everyone.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 07:57 AM
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Very interesting and thank you for your time Dan. (Applause in the background)
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:31 AM
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very very very interesting. Thank you for all the info and numbers. Keep it up dan
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:32 AM
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When will the intake be ready?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:41 AM
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so what your saying is instead of a CAI your basically gonna sell a SRI instead.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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no what he is saying is he will sell it both ways but he recommends the SRI
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:01 AM
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If you can sell the intake, catted downpipe, charge pipes, and tune for about $1,000, plus document 300 HP at the wheels, then you certainly have my business.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:05 AM
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yeah for sure. He'll have my business too
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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$100 Sri..wow With military Discount...oh....****

I had a 2000 Civic SI with a full CAI and the same thing happen to me. I was visiting family in Sheveport LA and there was a real bad storm and the next day I drove through a DEEP puddle and locked the motor. Me and my cousin was draining water for about 4 hours. My filter had to be 4 inches from the ground and my SI was lowered. Need less to say I fixed it dogged it out for 30 mins and everything was good to go....then...on the way back home to Wichita KS I was about 15 miles from Dallas on the 4th of July and boom rod through the block. 4 hours later a tow truck took me to the only hual pace open I had to buy a truck and tow for $600. Sucked
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:13 AM
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how can you get the tune tho....my car is a daily driver
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:17 AM
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oh its really cool dude. They send you a tuned file with a GT tuner. You load it to your car. Datalog it then send the info back to Vince from Trifecta then he fine tunes it. It's cool and from what i have heard Vince is a VERY good tuner
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ericgt79
how can you get the tune tho....my car is a daily driver
Trifecta tunes can be sent through the mail or they can even help you while on a dyno.

Vince at Trifecta is the man and I know of no one that has had problems with his tune. Unlike many of the other companies out there.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:21 AM
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ok so i get a cd and a cable to hook up to my car or something like how would i install a tune from them if i bought it?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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More info about the tunes available through Clear Image and Trifecta.

http://www.clearimageautomotive.com/...e/Trifecta.htm

Basically, they send you a hand held programmer (they call it a GT Tuner) to install the tune. Then you send the hand held tuner back.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:24 AM
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Sounds great! Can't wait for pictures and video's
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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yeah it's pretty sweet dude. to be honest it is better than the Hahn PPC because the trifecta tune is specificallyfor your car
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 12:06 PM
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as usual CIA is making awesome stuff..

cant wait to see pics and such
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:03 PM
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Pics of what you are talking about with the other intake idear?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:20 PM
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im so glad we have bugged you over the last few years about getting into the cobalt world
looks like you guys are getting some pretty cool stuff out there!!!
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:27 PM
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So after a long drive and helping Dan yesterday i finally am awake i will post pics of the dyno results yesterday let me say with just a tune alone i have "uncorrected" 301whp and 333wtq up from stock which was 249whp and 260 wtq temp was 53 degrees in the shop where the dyno was and 48% humidity, we did i believe about 20 runs. Trust me Vince with Trifecta is AMAZING he cares a lot about your car, we pushed the tune to the point where my clutch started to slip boosting 23 psi and after 3500rpm the tq was at 360 wtq he back right off, puts piece of mind to me. I know you guys want proof of pics of the dyno sheets, i will post when i go to my dads house to scan my print outs of the tune!!!! Dan has the rest of the data on the comp. So you may be saying well what about the clutch slipping, i went home with the 301whp and 333wtq tune and no slipping and no issue i had to drive almost 200 miles home so no issue there i believe the issue is with the pressure plate that cannot hold the clutch down anymore, during all the dyno test i never smelt any burning clutch. Though i will be looking for a better clutch cause i want to go further. You guys will be surprised with the results and Clear Image Auto is not just another car company guys they are the real deal with REAL performance with no gimmicks. If you have any questions contact Dan or ask me and i will try to help as best as possible. I will be back up there next friday and saturday to do more testing.
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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i love you lol
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobaltss/TC
So after a long drive and helping Dan yesterday i finally am awake i will post pics of the dyno results yesterday let me say with just a tune alone i have "uncorrected" 301whp and 333wtq up from stock which was 249whp and 260 wtq temp was 53 degrees in the shop where the dyno was and 48% humidity, we did i believe about 20 runs. Trust me Vince with Trifecta is AMAZING he cares a lot about your car, we pushed the tune to the point where my clutch started to slip boosting 23 psi and after 3500rpm the tq was at 360 wtq he back right off, puts piece of mind to me. I know you guys want proof of pics of the dyno sheets, i will post when i go to my dads house to scan my print outs of the tune!!!! Dan has the rest of the data on the comp. So you may be saying well what about the clutch slipping, i went home with the 301whp and 333wtq tune and no slipping and no issue i had to drive almost 200 miles home so no issue there i believe the issue is with the pressure plate that cannot hold the clutch down anymore, during all the dyno test i never smelt any burning clutch. Though i will be looking for a better clutch cause i want to go further. You guys will be surprised with the results and Clear Image Auto is not just another car company guys they are the real deal with REAL performance with no gimmicks. If you have any questions contact Dan or ask me and i will try to help as best as possible. I will be back up there next friday and saturday to do more testing.
where did you dyno at?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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so how much hp/tq are you at with the SRI and the tune?
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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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so how much hp/tq are you at with the SRI and the tune?
With the SRI it would be that 301whp and 333wtq sorry i didn't explain we had the airfilter out which added the same amount of horsepower the SRI did!!!!

Originally Posted by NWAE Cobalt
where did you dyno at?
Next door neighbor Steve, not sure what his shop name is???

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Old Jan 11, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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^^^Damn^^^
So from stock which means no after market parts at all installed?
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