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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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Anyone want to help me put my Balt on fire so I can get a 135i?

Sorry to hear that bro.... But for every end there's a beginning and yours sounds real sweet....
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 02:16 PM
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12v will most certainly ark and burn things. I accidently forgot to disconnect my battery one time wehn I was working on one of my audio systems in my previous cars I accidently touched the 4 gauge power wire to the body of the car and it arched and welded itself to the car before the fuse blew. If it would have touched the carpet or seats it would have caught on fire. Ever accedently put a wrench across your battery terminals if you have you would know that 12 volts is more dangerous than you think.
Anyone who has ever messed with 12v applications knows it will start burning wires REAL fast but also you have to account for the fact if the battery is shorted out the electrical current doesn't last that long and will drain the battery/ruin it almost instantly .. Depnds on the size of wires and insulators they have on em .
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BowTieTillIdie
Anyone who has ever messed with 12v applications knows it will start burning wires REAL fast but also you have to account for the fact if the battery is shorted out the electrical current doesn't last that long and will drain the battery/ruin it almost instantly .. Depnds on the size of wires and insulators they have on em .
He apparently does not know that 12v can be pretty dangerous in some situations. It can create dangerous currents in materials of low resistance. Human body has a resistance of several hundred thousand ohms so it most like will not harm you but other things that conduct charges well watch out. Wire two 12V batteries in series and you can make a portable welder.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:29 PM
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Takes 30v to break through skin resistance, it's why you can grab both terminals of the battery with bare hands and nothing happens. But reduce that resistance, ie tounge across those terminals, it's gonna hurt. It's also why if you see anything with 30+ volts, you'll see a sign that says "HIGH VOLTAGE".

On the other hand I would recommend NOT grabing the ALT Hot and ground at the same time, that could be real bad.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:44 PM
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just glad your not hurt!!....hooray for insurance!!!

i have gap as well, that is what will really save your butt!!!
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by red2001ss
Takes 30v to break through skin resistance, it's why you can grab both terminals of the battery with bare hands and nothing happens. But reduce that resistance, ie tounge across those terminals, it's gonna hurt. It's also why if you see anything with 30+ volts, you'll see a sign that says "HIGH VOLTAGE".

On the other hand I would recommend NOT grabing the ALT Hot and ground at the same time, that could be real bad.
Better yet don't create a circuit across you body by touching two leads with both hands. One handed wiring FTW.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by krispy
Better yet don't create a circuit across you body by touching two leads with both hands. One handed wiring FTW.


SHIIIIT I have touched ditributors and **** all the time ... Feels Great!
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Ya the 135's are serious fast

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Yeah. You are going to love the 135i. I test drove one a while back and it felt very nice. It certainly feels like it has more torque then my E46 M3. I have also seen a few piggyback computers for them which bump the horsepower up 50+hp for only a few hundred bucks....wish it was that cheap to modify my M3...Haha....sorry about the Cobalt but enjoy your new 135i.
Stg 1 is 20-40 hp and $200.......Stg 2 tune from burger tuning worth $500 and you can go hunting the new M3 V8 and new C6 Z06's

80+ hp and 80+ tq for stg 2 at the crank and a stg 3 for not much more coin and over 130 hp and 100 tq...

Their stg 3 135 on rear drag radials only $700 for the stg 3 and 0-60 times dropped from 4.8 sec to 3.5sec and the quarter mi in 11.7 at 121 mph enough grunt to run with the new ZR1 till about 85 mph.
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Old Mar 3, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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12 volts will NOT hurt you if touched fingertip to fingertip. Even two fingers on the same hand no problem. The cable that gave that dude the problem was probably the cable that goes direct to the starter and there is no fuse on it. Put that wire to ground and you get a direct short across the battery. That wire is capable of carrying 200 amps plus. Google "ohms law". Ohms law is the most basic measurement of DC voltage. E=I X R, I=E/R, R=E/I That will give you an idea what kind of voltage and resistance it takes to do damage. The guy that said you can weld with 2 12 volt batteries is right. In fact they make a MIG welder that does just that. # 12 volt batteries in series will weld 1/2 plus steel.
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 10:15 AM
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Ah, I thought you were talking about the 135i which I would be very surprised if it would ride harsher than the Cobalt. The Cobalt really doesn't have soft suspension, maybe you need to go ride in some normal cars again to regain some perspective ha.
Not "harsh" just rougher, and yes the 135 falls into the catagory also. Motor Week has one on long term loan and said the only problem with the car was the rough ride but its due to it basicly being an E46 M3 underneath which is a rougher ride then the Balt is. BTW the wife has a Satrun Aura so I still know what a mushy ride feels like. I'm not knocking the BMW at all and they do ride smoother on nice roads but once you hit the choppy stuff and bumps you DEFF feel it more. The ride more like a Z51 optioned Corvette then a luxury car. The Z51 is the suspension code that Vettes like the Z06 come with and can be ordered on a regular Vette. Its not bad but I can tell when I run over a quarter if its heads or tails are up.
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 10:27 AM
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hmmm, my car burns I WOULD FLIP, but then I guess get something cheaper and not as fast being this car was fun and all but I could always focus on other things in life, THATS IF IT BURNS DOWN!
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by buellfooll
12 volts will NOT hurt you if touched fingertip to fingertip. Even two fingers on the same hand no problem. The cable that gave that dude the problem was probably the cable that goes direct to the starter and there is no fuse on it. Put that wire to ground and you get a direct short across the battery. That wire is capable of carrying 200 amps plus. Google "ohms law". Ohms law is the most basic measurement of DC voltage. E=I X R, I=E/R, R=E/I That will give you an idea what kind of voltage and resistance it takes to do damage. The guy that said you can weld with 2 12 volt batteries is right. In fact they make a MIG welder that does just that. # 12 volt batteries in series will weld 1/2 plus steel.
I did say that 12V will not harm a human body because a typical person has several hundred thousand ohms of resistance so a 12v electrical potential difference will not cause a dangerous amount of charge (current) to flow.
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Terminator2
I did say that 12V will not harm a human body because a typical person has several hundred thousand ohms of resistance so a 12v electrical potential difference will not cause a dangerous amount of charge (current) to flow.
Sorry. I wasn't trying to correct you. I was just trying to educate those that are not as familiar with 12 volt systems. 12 volts are not dangerous to the human body. But don't put a wrench across the terminals.

A funny little story about automotive safety. Years ago I operated a Sunoco station in NY. Late one cold, rainy night a woman drove in with headlights that looked like two **** holes in the snow. She pleaded with me to fix her car that night. I tested and found the alternater was bad. I had a rebuilt on the shelf and changing it wouldn't take long so I said OK. I was already cleaned up and ready to go home and had put my wedding band back on. I quick removed the old alt. and bolted the new one in. As I was tightening the positive wire to the alt. output post I, somehow, got my wedding band between the wrench and ground. I'm sure my words will ring in that womans ear for the rest of her life and the scar around my ring finger from the ring that glowed cherry red will go to the grave with me. Case in point. Less resistance = more current flow = heat. And remove all jewelery before working on a car. Ohms law. I (current) = E (volts) over R (resistance). Class out. Go out and play.
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Old Mar 4, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Wish mine would because I have gap. I could get another one and lower my payment because of the negative equity I rolled over. Does this happen on the 09s?
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