I know it took me half the night to figure out you can go through the traps in 3rd

 

2.39 60' is unimpressive to say the least...damn good time with that 60'

 

Turbo cars love to breath, in and out.

The stock box with a drop in should do for quite awhile...a nice tune and rid of tq reduction with a cat back...well look at synapse's car.

 

dude how can a drop in do that much? like really its like the same filter almost lol

thats y i havent did a drop in yet because i really cant see the same size filter doin much... it still has the airbox which restricts it the most... unless i am getting rid of the airbox i will keep it as it is because it is still suffocating with a 45 dollar drop in?

and intake will be here in September why not save ure 45 bux to pay for the 250 one that will actually get the job done

 

It really isn't.

From a reliability standpoint, a lot more particulate gets past a K&N than a paper or foam filter.

 

Not if it is oiled and maintained properly...

 

There have been several people who claim that a drop in K&N has improved low RPM throttle response a bit and made their bypass valves and turbo spool louder and more noticeable.... I take it they are not lying.

Sure.. a K&N drop in is not going to put you down into 13s with the SS/TC.. but still.. I would buy one just for the increase in turbo spool and bypass valve noise...if you can even call it noise.. more like a symphony to me!

I would bet my left nut (right one and me are way to close at this point) that 9 out of 10 dentists who use K&N filters DO NOT properly maintain them at all.

 

I believe that on the K&N website they have legal documents that discusses a law that they cannot void your warranty for a part that should be replaced. For instance, if you changed tires, they could not void your warranty...

The filter is a part that has to be changed for maintenance, so they cannot void your warranty for it...

http://www.knfilters.com/warrantyletter.htm

 

It is a 13 second car stock with a good driver


Def notice a throttle response increase...and I boosted to 17psi as opposed to my 15.

Oh and the sound?

Typical ecotec

Only it whistles

 

to lazy to read the link.. sounds legit though/....

 

Because there are disadvantages of a CAI...I'd rather keep the filter protected from the weather...plus you keep your warranty...

Granted, I'm not planning to take mine to the track or I would be needing the advantage of a CAI...

 

The way the GM Warranty is written...anything other than an OEM filter CAN void a warranty


I don't know of any dealers that would do that...but technically speaking I think they can, and not be wrong doing so.

 

umm no.... am I wrong.. I believe with a pro driver.. the 08 cobalt SS/TC stock came in just a few tenths over 14 seconds?

 

Have you looked at the airbox?

There is no resonators in it at all.

It isn't a bad design AT ALL.

There are people here who have broken into the 13s with a bone stock car.

My car would run it with a 103 trap if I could get my sixty down(and I was spinning to the 60')

 

I guess the professional drivers that Chevrolet uses to get the BEST possible numbers for their cars wasn't good enough then....

 

Agreed...they are not going to take a car to the Ring to tune the suspension and then restrict the air intake...

If they are going to spend the time to go to Germany...they will make the most free flowing intake while still meeting noise emission standards...

Read on!

Dear K&N Consumer:

K&N Engineering, Inc., is informed that some automobile dealers and manufacturers are telling their customers that the factory warranty on their motor vehicles is “void,” if an original equipment (OE) replacement air filter, manufactured by K&N, has been installed on their vehicles. K&N finds such instances disturbing, and while it does not purport to give legal advice, K&N would like to refer you to the federal Consumer Product Warranties law, often referred to as the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, which states, in part, in Title 15, United States Code, Section 2302, subdivision (c), as follows:

“No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name; except that the prohibition of this subsection may be waived by the [Federal Trade] Commission if –

(1) the warrantor satisfies the Commission that the warranted product will function properly only if the article or service so identified is used in connection with the warranted product, and

(2) the Commission finds that such a waiver is in the public interest. The Commission shall identify in the Federal Register, and permit public comment on, all applications for waiver of the prohibition of this subsection, and shall publish in the Federal Register its disposition of any such application, including the reasons therefor.”

Under this federal statute, a manufacturer, who issues a warranty on your motor vehicle, is prohibited from requiring you to use a particular brand of air filter, oil filter, or other service or maintenance item, unless such item is provided, free of charge, under your warranty or unless the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) waives this prohibition against the manufacturer. K&N is unaware of any exemption or waiver granted by the FTC to any motor vehicle manufacturer, which pertains to air filters or oil filters.

K&N interprets this law to also prohibit the motor vehicle manufacturer from restricting your use of a particular brand of air filter, oil filter, etc. K&N’s interpretation of this law is consistent with the interpretation given it by the FTC, the government agency responsible for the interpretation and enforcement of this federal law.

The rules and regulations adopted by the FTC, to govern the interpretation and enforcement of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, are set forth in the Code of Federal Regulations, Title 16 - Commercial Practices, Chapter I - Federal Trade Commission, Subchapter G - Rules, Regulations, Statements and Interpretations Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, Part 700 - Interpretations Under the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. Contained within these rules and regulations is Section 700.10, which states, in relevant part (with specific language highlighted by K&N), as follows:
“(c) No warrantor may condition the continued validity of a warranty on the use of only authorized repair service and/or authorized replacement parts for non-warranty service and maintenance. For example, provisions such as, "This warranty is void if service is performed by anyone other than an authorized 'ABC' dealer and all replacement parts must be genuine 'ABC' parts," and the like, are prohibited where the service or parts are not covered by the warranty. These provisions violate the Act in two ways. First, they violate the section 102(c) ban against tying arrangements. Second, such provisions are deceptive under section 110 of the Act, because a warrantor cannot, as a matter of law, avoid liability under a written warranty where a defect is unrelated to the use by a consumer of "unauthorized" articles or service. This does not preclude a warrantor from expressly excluding liability for defects or damage caused by such "unauthorized" articles or service; nor does it preclude the warrantor from denying liability where the warrantor can demonstrate that the defect or damage was so caused.”

We think this FTC rule is pretty clear and unambiguous. Please note that the FTC requires the “warrantor” (this would, generally, be your motor vehicle manufacturer) to “demonstrate” that the defect in or damage to your vehicle was caused by your installation or use of a K&N air or oil filter, or other “unauthorized” part, before a warranty claim can be denied. We contend that this requires credible proof as to the cause of a failure and not merely your dealer’s guess, speculation or unfounded opinion as to the cause.

Therefore, K&N considers any threat to void your factory warranty, or the actual voiding of your factory warranty, solely for the installation of a K&N replacement air filter or oil filter, to be a violation of federal law.

The foregoing addresses only your rights and protection under federal law. Of course, you may have greater rights under the consumer warranty laws applicable in your state.

If you have encountered a motor vehicle dealer, who has failed and refused to “demonstrate” or prove, as federal law requires, that your K&N air filter necessitated a repair for which warranty coverage has been denied, or a manufacturer, who refuses to perform warranty repairs on your vehicle, merely because you have installed a K&N replacement air filter or based on inaccurate information from your dealer, then we ask that you request that the dealer or manufacturer set forth, in writing, the warranty denial, together with a written statement as to the specific reasons for the denial of warranty repairs, and that you send a copy of this written statement to K&N. We also ask that you direct your dealer and manufacturer to the federal law quoted above. K&N assists consumers in this situation through the K&N Consumer Protection Pledge. For details please go to the K&N website at KNFilters.com or contact our customer service department at 800-858-3333.

Please keep in mind that a motor vehicle dealer is, generally, not the “warrantor” of your vehicle. Your dealer may be assisting you as much as possible in getting the manufacturer to cover repairs of your vehicle under warranty, but the factory may still refuse to cover the repairs. If this happens, then there may be nothing further that the dealership can do, and it should not be blamed for the actions of your vehicle’s warrantor. A dealership’s control over the approval of a warranty repair is usually limited to properly diagnosing and reporting the cause of the repair. K&N only takes issue with those dealerships who advise consumers that the mere installation of a K&N air filter on a vehicle “voids” the factory warranty, or they convey to the manufacturer an unsubstantiated opinion or conclusion that a K&N air filter caused an engine or component failure, without any objective proof to support such a statement, which results in the denial of a legitimate warranty repair.

Sincerely,

STEVE ROGERS,
President & CEO
K&N Engineering, Inc.

 

I am sure you know so much about these cars since you have been on the site for a whole, let's see, almost a month now?

People are running 13 second times with this car.

People can run it with a S2 SC car, and this car is faster than that. Wrap that around your head and stop paper racing.

Sheesh.

 

Time spent on internet forum directly relates to knowledge about the car.. ?

You are arguing with facts? its a 14 second car stock. period. Don't care what your friends say they did or w/e

don';t care about SC S2 cobalts. .


"Paper Racing" now everyone knows you are cool and smart when it comes to cars, because you have the "street lingo" down to a T...

YAWN

 

Yawn?



************, you don't even own one!





Start stating 'facts' after you get one

 

i am going to auto zone right now to buy the k&n filter... i want to see what everyone is talking about... i will post when i get back

 

You will like it.

At least the sound anyway

33-2311

 

I don't own a hand-gun either.. but I know that if I load a bullet into it, **** it, and pull the trigger, it shoots a bullet out the end of a barrel. OMG HOW DID I KNOW THAT> I DON"T EVEN OWN A GUN?

Whats your point I don't own one yet.. all of your silly little arguements against me pwning your face have been nothing more then Elitist mumbo-jumbo.

1- Your time vs my time as member of these forums

2- You have the car, I don't

If i did get my car a week ago instead of in a few weeks.... every word I typed so far would have been exactly the same, smart guy.

P.S. Let the anger and hate flow through you young one........masking your insults and curse words in a parade of Smiley Faces is sooooo 1998!




YAWN.. You bore me. moving on.

 

Young one?

Yawn?

So, what does Chevy advertise their z06 as? People have ran high tens completely stock...I bet every magazine and MFR estimate would be in the 11s.

BUT THE MAGAZINE SAYS SO!

So you are calling everyone with one of these cars who runs faster than a 14.00 completely bone stock a liar?

How about that.

I go with what I see, and from personal experience. I have nothing to gain by coming on the forums and blowing smoke up anyones ass, and feel very sorry for you to think that you are so closed minded.

I guess this guy with a bone stock SS/TC is just FULL OF ****!

and the ******* Slips are PHOTOSHOPPED!


Now, eat crow and shut the **** up, you might learn something:

 

its ok i dont really hear the turbo more and i dont hear a BOV

ima get on it when its cold out because the air will be dense and i will hear the bov clearly

i did see an increase in psi tho went from 16 to like 18

 

bad timing equipment at the track + photoshop