crappy dyno day with zzp kit
crappy dyno day with zzp kit **update pg.4**
Ok guys today wasn't great. My car is a LNF cobalt with the zzp s252 turbo kit, spec stage 3+ clutch and a forged motor. everything else was stock.
boost pressure was @ 20 psi.
IAT was 99-100 degrees
coolent temp was 199 degrees
ambient air temp was 86 degrees
alttitude is +6 feet above sea level
Redline was 7000 rpm
AFR was 12.4
Timing was 13 degrees advance
no kr
Unfortunetly guys after 4 hours of tuning on the dyno all we could get out of this thing was 340 whp and 290 wtq. I figured for 20 psi it might put down more power. I'm hoping either the motor has to break in more because it has 500 miles on it now or that the stock charge pipes and catback are causing a major restriction but I dont know if this thing has another 100 whp left in it even with another 7 psi. the stock intercooler seems to be pretty good since its performing at 15 degrees above ambient.
The good news is that the power curve looks great. it spools early and torque peaks around 3400 rpm and plateau's across the whole powerband. Hp climbs slowly and holds to redline my power peaked around 6760 rpm.
And to make matters worse before we were done tuning my brand new engine dumped oil all over the dyno. I think the front main seal I got from GM was defective but this was beyond frustrating and this puts my cobalt off of the speed channel if its not back together by sunday.
boost pressure was @ 20 psi.
IAT was 99-100 degrees
coolent temp was 199 degrees
ambient air temp was 86 degrees
alttitude is +6 feet above sea level
Redline was 7000 rpm
AFR was 12.4
Timing was 13 degrees advance
no kr
Unfortunetly guys after 4 hours of tuning on the dyno all we could get out of this thing was 340 whp and 290 wtq. I figured for 20 psi it might put down more power. I'm hoping either the motor has to break in more because it has 500 miles on it now or that the stock charge pipes and catback are causing a major restriction but I dont know if this thing has another 100 whp left in it even with another 7 psi. the stock intercooler seems to be pretty good since its performing at 15 degrees above ambient.
The good news is that the power curve looks great. it spools early and torque peaks around 3400 rpm and plateau's across the whole powerband. Hp climbs slowly and holds to redline my power peaked around 6760 rpm.
And to make matters worse before we were done tuning my brand new engine dumped oil all over the dyno. I think the front main seal I got from GM was defective but this was beyond frustrating and this puts my cobalt off of the speed channel if its not back together by sunday.
Last edited by blackvette101; Oct 8, 2010 at 07:53 PM.
its not the dyno. its the same dyno I go for my corvette. its a known low reading dyno but I expected alot more it went from 285 whp/330 wtq at 27 psi on stock turbo to 340 whp/290 wtq at 20 psi on S252 turbo on the same dyno
Ok guys today wasn't great. My car is a LNF cobalt with the zzp s252 turbo kit, spec stage 3+ clutch and a forged motor. everything else was stock.
boost pressure was @ 20 psi.
IAT was 99-100 degrees
coolent temp was 199 degrees
ambient air temp was 86 degrees
alttitude is +6 feet above sea level
Redline was 7000 rpm
AFR was 12.4
Timing was 13 degrees advance
Unfortunetly guys after 4 hours of tuning on the dyno all we could get out of this thing was 340 whp and 290 wtq. I figured for 20 psi it might put down more power. I'm hoping either the motor has to break in more because it has 500 miles on it now or that the stock charge pipes and catback are causing a major restriction but I dont know if this thing has another 100 whp left in it even with another 7 psi. the stock intercooler seems to be pretty good since its performing at 15 degrees above ambient.
The good news is that the power curve looks great. it spools early and torque peaks around 3400 rpm and plateau's across the whole powerband. Hp climbs slowly and holds to redline my power peaked around 6760 rpm.
And to make matters worse before we were done tuning my brand new engine dumped oil all over the dyno. I think the front main seal I got from GM was defective but this was beyond frustrating and this puts my cobalt off of the speed channel if its not back together by sunday.
boost pressure was @ 20 psi.
IAT was 99-100 degrees
coolent temp was 199 degrees
ambient air temp was 86 degrees
alttitude is +6 feet above sea level
Redline was 7000 rpm
AFR was 12.4
Timing was 13 degrees advance
Unfortunetly guys after 4 hours of tuning on the dyno all we could get out of this thing was 340 whp and 290 wtq. I figured for 20 psi it might put down more power. I'm hoping either the motor has to break in more because it has 500 miles on it now or that the stock charge pipes and catback are causing a major restriction but I dont know if this thing has another 100 whp left in it even with another 7 psi. the stock intercooler seems to be pretty good since its performing at 15 degrees above ambient.
The good news is that the power curve looks great. it spools early and torque peaks around 3400 rpm and plateau's across the whole powerband. Hp climbs slowly and holds to redline my power peaked around 6760 rpm.
And to make matters worse before we were done tuning my brand new engine dumped oil all over the dyno. I think the front main seal I got from GM was defective but this was beyond frustrating and this puts my cobalt off of the speed channel if its not back together by sunday.
I just rebuilt the motor 500 miles ago im trying to take it easy
I did when they rebuilt the motor
I did when they rebuilt the motor
Last edited by blackvette101; Oct 5, 2010 at 09:53 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
the current plan is to get this thing fixed and dyno it again for the speed channel interview on sunday. then i'm going to give it some more miles and remove any restrictions in the intake and exhaust. and retune for 27 psi in the next few months. ill keep you guys informed thanks for the help
Really, the engine pissing oil has nothing to do with a blown motor, unless you see that it sent a rod or chunk of piston through the block or oil pan. It would be painfully obvious. Depending on how long the motor ran without oil, might wanna rebuild her again.
Suck to hear man.
Suck to hear man.
Really, the engine pissing oil has nothing to do with a blown motor, unless you see that it sent a rod or chunk of piston through the block or oil pan. It would be painfully obvious. Depending on how long the motor ran without oil, might wanna rebuild her again.
Suck to hear man.
Suck to hear man.
Can you post a log? Were you commanding 12.4 AFR and actually reading 12.4? The MAF needs to be adjusted quite a bit with the big turbo and the higher fuel pressure. If you didn't get a tune with higher fuel pressure, you should get on that
IMO, 13 peak timing is ok to start with, especially given that you'll be pushing a lot more air. 20 psi is low for that turbo though. Look up the compressor map for that turbo. I'd ask ZZP for tuning tips.
As for the oil puking, well, I doubt that the seal itself was bad...
As for the oil puking, well, I doubt that the seal itself was bad...
Really, the engine pissing oil has nothing to do with a blown motor, unless you see that it sent a rod or chunk of piston through the block or oil pan. It would be painfully obvious. Depending on how long the motor ran without oil, might wanna rebuild her again.
Suck to hear man.
Suck to hear man.
Last edited by blackvette101; Oct 6, 2010 at 08:06 AM.


