crappy dyno day with zzp kit
Finally today we are making some break thru's. We had a base file for the wrong MAP sensors at first that was killing us. Vince was willing to give us ZZP's file (and ZZP also didn't seem to mind TOO much) but we kept working our own and it's finally acting properly. Getting the boost curve right with this setup is quite the task right now lol. I give them a LOT of credit for doing the first one and figuring it all out.
Tom - I drove 7hrs to OH to tune the car and we spent HOURS chasing our tail. Vince was off so I couldnt even find out if it was set wrong. What was weird is it let me flash a GMS1 cal overtop anyway lol
Dave - Right now we are back to net tuning. I just sent him my TF cable and the updated TF file yesterday. He loaded it and I sent an update today for the HP portion. It's FINALLY controlling the boost better, before was 10psi or 30+psi. Nothing in between
He is running the Tial EWG with the factory solenoid in line. He also has the intercooler, CP's, maf relocate and the Tial BOV as well.
Wicked - Do you have the wastegate lines run like their instructions sheet?? When I looked up the Tial Vacuum diagram it told a different tale. We are still running them per the ZZP details tho right now. If it still doesn't control the boost just right when we get to fine tuning it I may have him try switching it to what Tial recommends. I was going to PM them about it anyway and just ask their thoughts on it, or hopefully they chime in on it
Dave - Right now we are back to net tuning. I just sent him my TF cable and the updated TF file yesterday. He loaded it and I sent an update today for the HP portion. It's FINALLY controlling the boost better, before was 10psi or 30+psi. Nothing in between
He is running the Tial EWG with the factory solenoid in line. He also has the intercooler, CP's, maf relocate and the Tial BOV as well.
Wicked - Do you have the wastegate lines run like their instructions sheet?? When I looked up the Tial Vacuum diagram it told a different tale. We are still running them per the ZZP details tho right now. If it still doesn't control the boost just right when we get to fine tuning it I may have him try switching it to what Tial recommends. I was going to PM them about it anyway and just ask their thoughts on it, or hopefully they chime in on it
Tom - I drove 7hrs to OH to tune the car and we spent HOURS chasing our tail. Vince was off so I couldnt even find out if it was set wrong. What was weird is it let me flash a GMS1 cal overtop anyway lol
Dave - Right now we are back to net tuning. I just sent him my TF cable and the updated TF file yesterday. He loaded it and I sent an update today for the HP portion. It's FINALLY controlling the boost better, before was 10psi or 30+psi. Nothing in between
He is running the Tial EWG with the factory solenoid in line. He also has the intercooler, CP's, maf relocate and the Tial BOV as well.
Wicked - Do you have the wastegate lines run like their instructions sheet?? When I looked up the Tial Vacuum diagram it told a different tale. We are still running them per the ZZP details tho right now. If it still doesn't control the boost just right when we get to fine tuning it I may have him try switching it to what Tial recommends. I was going to PM them about it anyway and just ask their thoughts on it, or hopefully they chime in on it
Dave - Right now we are back to net tuning. I just sent him my TF cable and the updated TF file yesterday. He loaded it and I sent an update today for the HP portion. It's FINALLY controlling the boost better, before was 10psi or 30+psi. Nothing in between
He is running the Tial EWG with the factory solenoid in line. He also has the intercooler, CP's, maf relocate and the Tial BOV as well.
Wicked - Do you have the wastegate lines run like their instructions sheet?? When I looked up the Tial Vacuum diagram it told a different tale. We are still running them per the ZZP details tho right now. If it still doesn't control the boost just right when we get to fine tuning it I may have him try switching it to what Tial recommends. I was going to PM them about it anyway and just ask their thoughts on it, or hopefully they chime in on it

Well the car is boosting correctly now, it's not spiking anymore. We successfully held 24psi today lol. Im just waiting for him to finish his clinicals and then send another log. He only tried the new file quickly and said it def seemed better. So we'll know more later
Well the car is boosting correctly now, it's not spiking anymore. We successfully held 24psi today lol. Im just waiting for him to finish his clinicals and then send another log. He only tried the new file quickly and said it def seemed better. So we'll know more later 

Wicked - Do you have the wastegate lines run like their instructions sheet?? When I looked up the Tial Vacuum diagram it told a different tale. We are still running them per the ZZP details tho right now. If it still doesn't control the boost just right when we get to fine tuning it I may have him try switching it to what Tial recommends. I was going to PM them about it anyway and just ask their thoughts on it, or hopefully they chime in on it 

Well the car is boosting correctly now, it's not spiking anymore. We successfully held 24psi today lol. Im just waiting for him to finish his clinicals and then send another log. He only tried the new file quickly and said it def seemed better. So we'll know more later 

What kind of spike, like at around 6k all the way up?
It was def an issue with the sensor cal. He had it set for stock sensors and the car has the GMS1's. Now that that is fixed, it seems to be acting correctly.
We are running about 200 DAL as well and I have the MAL ramping up pretty slow right now. Everything is super touchy!!
We are running about 200 DAL as well and I have the MAL ramping up pretty slow right now. Everything is super touchy!!
It was def an issue with the sensor cal. He had it set for stock sensors and the car has the GMS1's. Now that that is fixed, it seems to be acting correctly.
We are running about 200 DAL as well and I have the MAL ramping up pretty slow right now. Everything is super touchy!!
We are running about 200 DAL as well and I have the MAL ramping up pretty slow right now. Everything is super touchy!!
**update**
Ok so it is the crank main seal. Apparently under high boost the crankcase is becoming too pressurized and its spitting out oil past the seal. Idky other people haven't had this problem I guess it might be because the ring gap on the wiseco's is wider. Bout to make a custom catch can that vents to atmosphere
Your forged pistons are likely costing you some power as well, especially if they are loose enough to cause crankcase pressure issues.
Forged Pistons are available with a high silicone content (%14 or so) that perform more like a hyperutetic piston. I have used these in big block chevy engines with very good results
But you put it on the dyno? That's definitely not taking it easy my friend.
Sucks about the oil leak and the low power, but if you still have 7psi in it, after some exhaust upgrades, 1psi should equal about 15-20 hp, so I'd say you can easily get your 100whp more out of it.
Ok so it is the crank main seal. Apparently under high boost the crankcase is becoming too pressurized and its spitting out oil past the seal. Idky other people haven't had this problem I guess it might be because the ring gap on the wiseco's is wider. Bout to make a custom catch can that vents to atmosphere
T1 Crankcase Catch Can
so who gapped the rings wrong? might wanna check the oil for fuel if its pressurizing it THAT much... the other option is to run something like Tony1's catchcan setup... its been proven well over 1000hp
T1 Crankcase Catch Can

T1 Crankcase Catch Can

Ok so it is the crank main seal. Apparently under high boost the crankcase is becoming too pressurized and its spitting out oil past the seal. Idky other people haven't had this problem I guess it might be because the ring gap on the wiseco's is wider. Bout to make a custom catch can that vents to atmosphere
The ring set that comes with the wisecos are already properly gapped. They should not have had to gap them more. They come with a pretty decent sized gap on them. Way better than stock. I measured them in the cylinder when I put them in mine and you could see the gap difference between the Wiseco set and the stock set. I havent had any issues at 24psi with the k04. I agree, though, that with more supporting mods you can be a little more aggressive and achieve higher numbers.
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-GM...NF-Pistons.pdf
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-GM...NF-Pistons.pdf
Last edited by cubaniche; Oct 7, 2010 at 10:49 AM.
The ring set that comes with the wisecos are already properly gapped. They should not have had to gap them more. They come with a pretty decent sized gap on them. Way better than stock. I measured them in the cylinder when I put them in mine and you could see the gap difference between the Wiseco set and the stock set. I havent had any issues at 24psi with the k04. I agree, though, that with more supporting mods you can be a little more aggressive and achieve higher numbers.
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-GM...NF-Pistons.pdf
http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Wiseco-GM...NF-Pistons.pdf
do a dry compression test and see what you get... i bet its WAY lower than it should be.
(if im coming across as a dick, its not intentional)


