Thats the point of this thread, for you guys to share your better alternatives. Just got the car a week ago, im still researching, this is only a draft. My GTP had a lot of ZZP parts and I have not been disappointed.

 

Thanks I will check that out!

 

Thats some useful info, thanks!

 

I said nothing bad about ZZP.
All I said is you need to read and research more before you make a list.

 

Is that the GMPP clutch kit? Seems too affordable lol

Ecotec LNF Clutch Kit 24239996

 

I think its this


http://www.crateenginedepot.com/Ecot...12-P10781.aspx

 

No

This

 

And the LSJ kit will fit on the LNF application right?

 

Ottp rotated mounts are great, don't believe the don't get anything from them bs. That's just a persons biased opinion based on a personal bad expirience I'm guessing. Mine have been great. As for their other products, I can't judge cause iv never used em. Ky clutch is also great. Just need to learn how to shift if some people have had bad experiences. Second gear does like to engage pretty hard if u don't shift right though. Definitely not the same as stock so be prepared. Yes get a zzp intercooler, do not listen to anyone who says u don't need to on stock turbo, that plastic **** breaks at higher boost and if u bump it to hard. If u want great sound, k&n intake ftw. I agree with the bov, it's pointless, but there r ways to do it if u want one. Gms1 tune if u wanna keep warranty, get trifecta with cable if u don't wanna pay out ur ass for the gms1 and with trifecta u can flash back to stock if u need to take it to dealer if u get cable. Hp tuners if u have someone close to u who can. Stock plugs!!!!! Good choice, stick with em, u won't be sorry. Stay 23psi or below for stock turbo tune. Or ur asking for ring land failure . And stick with stock front break pads. I use hawk and personally, stock were better. Going back next pad change. And u definitely need to add the Powell PVC upgrade. Will keep oil out of ur intake and save u from haveing to clean ur valves in the future, or at least push it off a good deal.


Love it how this site with every few months has a new favorite vender to buy parts from. Most of the venders on here are great. Alot of people have tested most if not all their parts, don't listen to those who dog a vender but have never tested any of their stuff. Look for the reviews of those who have, ull get better advice

 

So I'm trying to understand how multiple ppls issues with OTTP products isn't a red flag to stay away. Their mounts went to **** on my car, replaced with Powell and smoother everything and no wheel hop.

Also your basis for staying under 23psi or ringland failure where is that coming from? There are multiple users that run higher without issues. Its all in your tune.

OP if you're worried about warranty get GMSt1 leave the intake stock, replace charge pipes and intercooler.

 

If you knew what OTTP has done you'd never buy from them. Lets take his swaybar for example, Powell has his made by a shop that specializes in that, they are all bent by computer ran pipe benders and each is going to work no problem and be exactly the same. OTTP on the other hand has the owner bending them by hand in his shop (or should I say garage), see any problem there? There are many reasons I'd rather not get into but his parts are just copies or are sub par to the competition.

 

Nothing wrong with a Manuel bender, does the same job, just takes longer and is harder. The welding shop I work At started with a Manuel bender now that we can afford it we have a computerized mandrel bender. Just because its vent on a Manuel bender doesn't mean it's sub par, have u tested both? I can't judge, I haven't tried either, Powell hardcore on the way though, but either way don't call it sub par just cause the guy is small and can't exactly afford the high tech machine. If u don't like it, don't buy it. I know the trans mounts are very well made, definitely did not do that in a garage.

 

well iv been here since 08 and I haven't seen any issues with ottp stuff, probably missed it, iv had my mounts in for a few years and no issues. and the 23 psi, is more like 24, if u haven't been paying attention on the site, the k04 runs out of efficiency at 23 psi, after that produces nothing but heat. yes ur right it is the tune, every person on here that has run above 25/26 psi has busted ringlands. trifecta and hpt. as far as I know. u really think every one had a tune issue? I think not. unless ur running e85 or something ur in trouble. ask pretty much any guy here that's run that much on stock turbo, they will tell u the same thing.

 

I searched some of the ottp reviews, and ya some people have some issues, mostly customer service it seems, well I never had any issues. only bought the rotated mounts though.

 

stock intercooler works awesome.. flows better then most aftermarket ones too..... don't replace until broken imho. im running one and I spike my car at 25psi and fall to 23... I beat the crap out of it on a daily basis and its ok still to this day and I have 50 k now....not to mention I have track miles in there too.

 

Wow you guys are very helpful, thanks for your time! Very interesting conversation going on.

Indeed, I dont know any of the LNF supporting vendors yet except for ZZP but everything is based on experienced. Back in the 3800 community, a lot of people would say ZZP products were **** because they had trouble with their off the shelf PCM.

Powell seems like a serious company. A bit pricey but in the car community, you most of the time pay for what you get.

Mods will mostly be done when the oem part breaks, like intercooler and aged mounts.

I was also wondering for example if I could run for a certain time a dp and cai without a tune. I know cel codes will appear but how does the LNF reacts? I ran mods on my GTP without tuning and it ran fine but not at full potential. Are there any mods except the turbo upgrade that you absolutely need to tune for right away? Those that create KR for example.

Thanks again!

 

OTTP is just a direct copy of Powell's mounts with a cheaper bushing, looks similar, none of the R&D costs and sells for cheaper because of that. Get the Powell mounts and support an innovator or get the Otto ones and help line a scumbags pockets. If only you knew how he ran the business...

The reason the pipe bender isn't too good is the accuracy, or lack there of. Also anoth copy of the Powell rear swaybar.

 

You can run a dp no problem without a tune, but running an intake can mess with your LTRT depending on the intake. For the dp if you get the angled rear o2 bung you shouldn't get a cel, I don't on mine running zzp's hi flow cat dp with an angled bung

 

Yet one person posts up spiking to 25 and no busted ringlands for 50k of hard driving, I think you need to pay attention to the forums. I can only assume he spikes to 25 for the additional torque it produces.

 

I ran a 25/26psi tune for 30k miles and a lot of hard racing with no issues. I'm so sick of hearing that you can't run this psi or that psi. Garbage. The psi number is important sure, but more important is how and when it boosts.

 

eCaulks right....I beat the crap out of my car. It sees daily dduty, road race duty and some spirited driving on Th street. my old cobalt made 442whp before it got hit. That was before hpt had their latest version out. Did that setup for 30k with the same duties. I sold the engine............needless to say it leaked down under 10% on all 4 cylinders which is great. That motor was allstock except valve springs. That was on 93 . I run the same tune year round and all I do in winter is put my cat warmup on even though I run cat less. If I showed you how lean I run my car some of you would think I'm crazy but its working for me.

these motors can take a lot and tuning is what kills a lot. Every blown lnf ive worked on with the exceptioexception of one has signs of detonation or something in the tune wrong. I've had with with a porous block.

 

I'm not talking 25 psi spikes I'm more taking 28-30 psi while at full boost, not just spike.

 

This is funny to me. I bend sway bars by hand? In a garage? Where are your facts to back this up? Just like the trans mounts we make you have been fed misinformation and have believed it as truth.

 

ur trans mounts work great for me, and are good quality. I work in a welding shop and I see what comes out of our machine shop, so I know a little about it. and ya I looked at ur sway bar after he told me that, and that is definitely not bent by hand. not a chance would u get a bend like that by hand or even with a manual bender, if they were ud get ribs in the metal on the bends. definitely using a good bender there

 

Yeah Andrew, not sure where your getting this from but Powell's mounts are welded and OTTP's are CNC'd. It's a completely different design.