Just bought a 2010 2dr tc and I just got off the phone with my local GM dealer about parts and the tune. I knew the GMS1 is warrantied from what i've been reading. But I want K & N Sri as well as a new catted dp. Ive been reading up and people have been saying that you're fine if you get a catted dp and the K&N Sri with the GMS1 your still under warranty, the dealer said no. Is everyone saying your warrantied just cuz the tune is and when they need service they just put stock parts back on or am I crazy? Please help, new here and new to the LNF setup. Thanks Guys!

 

It is all up to the dealership and what kind of relationship you have with them. I for one have gmstg1 and a k&n sri and my dealership hasn't said a word. If need be, de-mod then go in if the problem you have is directly related to say, the intake. K&N is a great intake for the LNF because it doesn't skew the fuel trims to much to throw a code and if you get a catless dowpipe be sure you get an angled defouler

 

^^^ x2. it alllll depends on the dealership. a buddy of mine had IC pipes, CAI,catless DP+ Cat back and a tune. he put the stock tune on the car before he went in for a blown tranny. 2 weeks later he went to pick his car up with no questions asked and he had a after market clutch as well.

ive ran into 2 dealerships around here who are picky about after market parts.

 

Yea I'm gonna call around and see what happens, but mine is a 2010 and I went to K&N's website, they don't have a Sri for my year, go to performance websits and they all have k&n typhoon exhausts... Dumb question But is that the legit I've everyone keeps taking about?. Comes with a heat shield like everyone says, just making sure.

 

i have stage 1 and K&N intake. I personally know the staff that works at my shop so they have not said anything. JUst depends on your relationship with them I guess

 

1. the k&n intake fits ALL years tubo cobalts 08-10
2. READ YOUR WARRANTY MANUAL
3. Parts do not just void your warranty unless they are found to be the culprit of the issue. Or associated to its failure.

I have a 09, w/ hahn catted dp, gmstage 1 and k&n intake, for 2 years now without issue. I have HPT but have not tuned it yet. No cel's. Love it. If I go in for warranty I may swap to stock intake.

With my MS3 I would swap to all stock parts, for any dealer visits as the hassle alone of that bullshit they pull is irritating as ****.

 

so basically what your saying is go ahead and go for it? Should i do the tune first then install the intake and dp? also, dont mean to start a new thread in here but i dont really know whats the best catted dp to go for? dont want anything to raspy, and i also plan on keeping stock exhaust, guess i need some options, best bang for your buck, sound qaulity wise, performance wise, and no CEL's

 

****, man i got GMS1 K&N drop in ZZP intake tube and modded the air box they have never said a thing. i have stock exhaust tho. some dealers have told me if they install the parts its warrentied

 

intake will not void it no matter what dealer says, if he says yes it will go to another. dp may, even with a cat its still not the same configuration as it is stock and emmissions will be different so thats a no no

 

Good luck with this is all I can say. With my dealership, I can put a sticker on my valve cover and get denied warranty coverage. I'm glad my warranty is done, so I don't have to worry about dealing with those bitches anymore.

 

lol im starting to do my own fixing, cause dealer doesnt wanna touch anything cause the meth kit i had. dont wanna void warrenty but dont wanna work on it either. but they said all my air piping intake ic pipe and ic will not void it cause its just the air intake system.

 

I would, BUT if you go in for warranty work, just be cautious. I'm almost out of warranty, but need a couple things done, sunroof switch, seat belt. I'll leave my stuff on.

You can install in any order, but reset the ecu with a negative battery terminal pull each part.

Best catted dp, is one that is from a good supplier with the o2 sensor pulled back. You want high quality, hahn's or zzp. The cheap ones will throw a o2 error (cel) as they dont have a good position for the o2. You get what you pay for. My hahn catted was a tad pricey, I got it on sale, but man was it a nice ass piece of dp. If I buy catless I would get hahn again, or zzp.

 

You may have a hard time with 1 dealer, but if you read the warranty manual, GM cannot refuse what they put in there. If you fight the dealer and call GM corp. They will fly a tech out.... You need to know things before you just listen to what a dealer says, they are not the end all of the answer....

 

They don't void your ENTIRE cars warranty if you have aftermarket parts. If they wanted to they would just void certain parts of it that has failed due to the aftermarket part. Like northvibe, say he had a fully built motor and took his car in to get the seatbelt and sunroof switch fixed, they might void his power train warranty but they would fix the two problems because they have nothing to do with the power train. Everything is warranted in it's own category

 

Ya I still have not had the power steering motor recall done yet because it was stored and my mods hahahha....

 

[QUOTE=northvibe;6463522]1. the k&n intake fits ALL years tubo cobalts 08-10
2. READ YOUR WARRANTY MANUAL
3. Parts do not just void your warranty unless they are found to be the culprit of the issue. Or associated to its failure.
/QUOTE]

By the letter of the law, and GM policy, if any aftermarket component is found to be at fault for an issue (directly or indirectly) - the associated problem should not be fixed under warranty.

That's the letter of the law.

I have found that on this side of our common border, that since our laws are not he same, and we don't have the same laws to protect consumers from having their warranty void by the mere presence of aftermarket parts ~ many dealers here will take the hard nosed stance of not even considering warranty if there are any aftermarket parts installed on the car...
Which is in large part why my car stayed 100% stock for as long as it has.

I would suggest that the intake (since it has been proven to actually not show any peak power gains) ~ that it simply isn't worth buying, to get hassled by the dealer.
The down pipe is another thing all together;
I would suggest you find a time when your dealer's service manager isn't too busy that you can get his opinion;
Bring to his attention that you would like to change the factory downpipe, out for an aftermarket one, and show him your options - odds are if the guy is reasonable, and if he see's you're wanting to work with them, that he would say buying a catted downpipe shouldn't be due cause for any headaches...

Good luck!

 

I had a hard time with both of the GM dealers in my area. When they don't want to fix something like a cracked IC, they get their "professional" ASE certified tech to say that it was caused by my driving, not by a part defect. His "professional" opinion is all they needed to deny the replacement of my IC, even after they combed over the car completely, which was completely stock at the time. There were no scratches whatsoever on the lip or IC. The tune was stock, the intake was stock, the DP was stock...........EVERYTHING was stock. I told them it cracked on a cold morning, which it did, and they denied service saying that it was driving habits. I went to the other dealer and found that they flagged my car, so that dealer wouldn't touch it either. I'll admit that I never escalated to corporate, but I don't like I should have to. That's just ridiculous. The really funny part is that I just went ahead and upgraded to a metal IC, which will now give GM any excuse to deny engine issue coverage. Because of this, I went ahead an tuned it. Now I don't have to worry about it anymore.

I just get tired of hearing all this legal mumbo-jumbo because it doesn't mean ****, unless you're willing to go pay for a lawyer or waste a lot of your own time trying to get a $400 part covered. Burden of proof, my butt.

 

this sucks.

in the end it's crap like this that is going to do GM in...
believe me, I can see it happening...
They have for a little too long now not been listening to their customers...

GM used to be leaders;
Now they're followers;
You don't get ahead in life just following...

I like the CTS-V ~ but ten or twenty years ago, who in their right mind would have looked upon Cadillac as a performance division?

A: no one.

Any car that GM has made which has an enthusiastic following, ends up getting canceled, and they only bring it (or something similar) back if there is a giant gap in the market, and GM figures they can get in on some "me-too" sales...
GM has NO sport compact.
GM is trying to push performance imagry into Cadillac & Buick, divisions which are known for making luxury cars...
GM killed the Firebird & Camaro... only to later bring a (crappier IMHO) Camaro back after Ford owned the market, and Dodge stepped in to get a share with the Challenger...
GM has no actual division that is associated with performance imagery ~ as Pontiac used ot be known for before GM started dictating they get into the minivan/sport-ute market...

What GM has been doing for a long time makes about as much sense to me as a line I recently understood a Lamborghini exec to have said "Lamborghini has no future with the manual transmission"...

IMHO, we're plagued by bean counters ~ those same bean counters are the ones who think that a CSS driver will trade in their '08 SS for a Sonic Turbo BAH-HA-HA!!!

I no longer consider myself a dyed in the wool GM guy.

I'm a Pontiac guy first... and GM killed Pontiac, so I couldn't give two hoots if they go under.

/rant.

 

Very well written my friend! I agree 100% on everything you said. I got two products of GM that I am proud of and enjoy. LS1 Camaro and a Turbo SS.

 

They blamed it on abuse? Wtf do they think this car was made for? Gas mileage? So they put a turbo in a cobalt, "ring" tuned suspension, launch control, nls and they dont warranty your car because the intercooler blew due to "abuse"? I'm sorry to hear that buy at least now you are enjoying the car even more!

 

Yeah the SS I've got is going to be my last GM product unless I need a truck or they actually put something out worth buying. Otherwise I'm going Subaru. They don't treat customers very well. I've been going to the same dealership for years for things that I feel they need to do and they've given me a hard time about many things more recently even though I've been a loyal customer. Forget that

 

I understand that most of the issues I faced were due to people taking in their Cobalt with a blown turbo because they tuned it or whatever, so the dealers get really skeptical of anyone driving one of these cars, but I'm 41 years old. I baby this damn car and expect to be treated like a 41 year-old, not a teenager. My fault for buying a teenagers's/girl's car, I guess. This was over two years ago, so I need to let it go. Like I said, I just get miffed when someone starts talking about that "burden of proof" bullshit. I'll shut up, now.