Sorry if this has been covered before, I did a search and didnt come up with anything. What is the best thing to do for a datalog? I'm taking it its a WOT pass thru the gears, but what would be the optimal range to provide the tuner? 0 to 60? 0 to 100? Thanks in advance.

 

Depends what you're trying to optimize.

For simple WOT tuning, you will want to run 1-4 a few times and some 2, 3 and 4 gear pulls. Roll into some and go straight WOT on others.

For driveability tuning you will want some steady state driving in the city and on the hwy all in one log with a few pulls here and there, 2-4. Also make sure to do a mix of driving as you normally would and some semi aggressive driving as well. You'll want at least 20 miles of each, city and hwy.
A few simple 2 and 3 gear single pulls will be helpful as well.

Either way, make sure that both engine coolant and oil are up to temp, 180ish beforehand.

 

A good range of different types of driving situations is really best. There is no such thing as too much info in a log IMO, so the more variety the better. Things like normal back roads cruising, normal highway cruising, normal highway acceleration, spirited driving, 0-100 wot (if possible), a solid 3rd gear 3,000rpm-redline pull without lifting (if possible), light to medium acceleration through the gears up to 5,500-6,000rpm. Basically every and any potential driving scenario regarless of if it seems realistic or not, so that the entire load/rpm range can be accurately dialed in. The more cell hits you can make, the better. It can be quite the process, but the time and effort is well worth it in order to have a really solid and dialed in tune.

 

When I logged I would start the log the minute i turned my car on from my garage, and drive normal until I hit optimal temp. I then hit the highway and normal drove around and when I was out in the boonies I would rip it. 2nd 3rd and 4th all the way to redline.

Term then increased my redline to 7000 and asked me to do 2-3 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear pulls. I did those way out in the boonies which took me to 125-130 easy and then I just drove home normally logging all the way.

 

Just be careful and scout out areas before WOT. Neglecting this gave me 2 of the 4 speeding tickets I got in 2012. It didn't help that my tuner at the time had me logging 30+ times before I went elsewhere.

I logged for 20-30 mins at a time with WOT as well as city driving and idles

 

haha yeah, thats why I went out to Hudson and did it on Highway 20 out there. No cops. It takes Weld county 45 minutes to get anywhere if theres a disturbance lol

 

Nice where is that highway. I found Hudson on the map but didn't find the highway.

I'm also looking for altitude, I want it to be closer to 6000ft (5500+) when I log since Bandimere is at 5800.

 

damn I was way off. Its highway 52 lol. Heres a photo

 

I jist do 2nd and 3rd gear pulls twice log prolly 15 mins and that has worked for me and james but im sure more time is better i just dont like risking a ticket.

 

Having to log 30+ times to get dialed-in is pretty crazy as far as any platform. You car loves you.

 

Awesome! Thanks dude

Yeah this is why I left CCSS3, I was sick of logging.

My experience with Term was significantly better.

 

He had to log 30 times because he refused to change his gap on the plugs and other ****. james is a great tuner and it takes like maybe 4 logs to dial my tune in from a base tune.

 

I had two different types of sessions with him. K04 and K04+, both times exceeded 30+ logs.

First session K04, I refused to do that and others.

Second session k04+, I did everything he asked and still ended up over 30+ logs.

So if you want, I should say I've had over 60+ logs with James

 

I haven't had a bad time when I was with James. I would log maybe 5-6 times, then here and there thru the week. Really didn't bother me that much.

 

I think James is a good guy, I just prefer Terms tunes more. James had me at .81 Lambda on our second sessions and like I said, I did everything he asked and still ended up with a lot of logs.

I honestly think it's his tuning style mixed with how "rocky" my city is didn't work well. I can drive 5 miles in one direction and have a completely different altitude. 5500ft to 6200 ft, not to mention the radical temp changes. It'll be 60*F mid afternoon, but 8 hours earlier it's 15*F.

I think James likes more constants when he tunes and I feel like he is a better 93 octane tuner. Unfortunately we only offer 91 here.

 

Yeah, if you cannot dial it in after six or so times, I'd probably rethink tuning for a living/side job, haha.

 

Yeah well I still think James is a good guy and I have nothing against him as a tuner or a person. Like I said, I just prefer Terms tunes more. He had me dialed in, in way less time and the car drives better than it did with James' tunes.

 

I had 6 logs with Term and it was dialed in.

 

That's MUCH better than 30+, lol.

 

Iv heard of only 1 person "claim" it took more then 5 or 6 times to dial in a tune with james and as was stated they had some issues they refused to address, either way james is a great tuner so I dont see him needing to change careers anytime soon.

 

I have heard of 4 total not including myself. Pages 4 and 5 have 2 examples of more than 5-6 logs from James. The others I've heard about is here in Colorado and another in Canada when I was first getting tuned. Last was a fellow named Richard Cooper in Louisiana.

Don't get me wrong I think James is a good guy, but not the best tuner (In my opinion). I've had more tunes than most I know on here, smart... hardly, I regret the money I've wasted on tuning.

But the fact of the matter is... Who cares if others have had poor experiences with James, as long as you're happy with him that's all that matters.

I still have all my tune revisions from James, I don't mind sharing the files.

 

I dont give a **** if u post the files, hell james posted mine on here once because people slandering him.

 

Lmfao, this is how it worked.

Me: Hey mike I need a log where's it at?

Mike: ill get it to you

Me : ok


Logs were done in different preferences of air quality and temps. Drastic changes. While I could keep ltft 0-1, the variations of when, how the logs came were never the same or relatively close in time periods, temps, and so on.

I had the tune dialed In a few logs, but when I'm asked for "more" ill want more.

I have cars dialed in a few hours, remote cars same deal. A few logs, because they are done correctly...

Having a log with so many variations and changes will skew in which I need to get trims down. So if I change fueling calibrations and then next log is in a drastic 20-30 degrees cooler in a lower elevation or higher then it'll skew once again. Now getting a log in te same elevation then logging in a lower and putting them together and dividing the results by the number of logs will net close results.

Now understanding why a car may take more then a few logs.
First thing is the person logging giving shitty logs.. Not what is required.
Takes days to get logs to the tuner so variations have changed so therefore skewing if its not relatively close to what last logs were in.
Boost leaks, intake leaks
Asking to have more boost, timing
Change of something within tune.


Richard cooper? His car was done within 7 logs. After this, I tuned his car for the strip meaning I had to go based off his driving so he gets what he wants which tools a couple logs.
Sonic? We changed his tune up many times, boost, full e, timing, ramp, etc so his took a few logs because the changes.



So the points to take, is if you log in different elevations, drastic temp drops or raises, etc it'll skew logging results. So if onesies drive in a elevation type area that changes drastically log in both areas and send.

 

you make me laugh, every thread where someone gives their opinion about him you comment on it and fight like hes your wife or something. Give it a rest dude, we all know you are on the CCSS3 bandwagon. I dont doubt james is a good guy but you are just on his nuts so much

 

Pretty much what I said a few posts back. Your tuning style and how rocky and drastic my temps are in Colorado didn't mix well. If you recall me mentioning how the Density Altitude in Colorado changes like crazy.

Also you knew how much I hated logging and you still wanted me to log. You gave me the "You can stop logging when you want, but if the car isn't ready it's your fault if it pops" so of course I'm gonna say "okay" lets continue. Why would I want my engine to pop.

One night we logged 8-9 logs before I called it quits for the night. I stayed in the same zone the entire time and you told me you needed a few more logs. I didn't want to so we left it alone. You compromised with me some time later (like I mentioned in the tuner review months ago) and said I can do a log a day in the same zone and you'll get it close. After time passed you said it's not perfect, but good enough and go play.

No offense to you James, because you know I respect ya, but this isn't how it worked with Terminator2 and thats why I left. Not to discredit you in anyway, but Term had me done in 7 logs and I've been happy.

As for Richard he texted me when we first started on round 2 that he was finished in 10 logs. So if you say less and he says more, then I don't know. I am just saying what he said.