I agree!

Vander, people are different and have opinions. Just because you have an opinion about James and I have a different one doesn't make me wrong or you right. It is what it is; an opinion. I prefer Term more than James when it comes to tunes. Did I say James fucked my car up or he's a shitty ass tuner? Nope sure didn't.

I said it took me 30+ logs with him and you don't wanna believe me because God forbid it makes him look bad. James admitted it took more than 6-7 logs, he said if he wants more he wants more. Regardless of the situation, he wants more if he wants more, the car isn't ready. It's how he tunes.

 

Richard I tuned in person and remotely for the track and for his bov system to make sure it running right.

I have tuned countless cars in higher elevations and it took less then 10 logs to finish it. My tuning apparently is fine when it comes to cars in your elevation. But if someone asks "can I get more timing", "can I go leaner", "can we change ramp"? I want logs to make sure its fine to let go.

When someone in a higher elevation goes and mixes the driving up in elevations within the same log it skews. Yes I can still finish a tune with that. But I dislike the **** because I give straight points not to...if mix driving occurs it needs to always be the mixed in every log

 

Why don't you get off my nuts, I comment when misinformation is presented if u got a problem with that then **** you.

 

Sounds like to me ur happy because term was willing to leave ur tune skewed but james was not.

 

no, it only took term 7 logs to get it right. read

 

Lmfao..

Here is what your not getting..
First off I have the tune done quickly, then they ask, can I have any more timing, or boost comes. Yeah give me a log. So I get one in a few days. You happen to know that skew results from logging one day at 90* then to 50*? Lmfao.... You have no clue, even the so called ones done in the same day were stretched out into a difference elevation then back up to regular. If the logs were done in same elevation and the. I got a few logs done in the diff elevation but but stayed there. I could have put the two elevations together and divided te results by number of logs. I have tunes done within a timely manner and depending on how far one wants is how many logs I want. More aggressive means more time.

 

Term told him its right, that dont mean it is. Im not saying term aint an amazing tuner im sure he is but maybe james was trying to protect his customer by not sending him out with a tune that was not finished due to request for changes. I mean think of that a tuner that makes sure he dials everything in before he sends u off to race with it, thats just insane!

 

Except this wasn't the case, like I said, it took more than 8-9 logs in one tuning session on one night.

Then you said, hey we need to bang out one tuning session because this isn't working we need one. So I packed up my laptop and got my cell phone ready and we tuned a saturday morning for a few hours and it took literally 15 logs before you said it was fine. Same spot, same location same everything. Same 20-30 minute logs with idle like you wanted.

Why do you say stupid things? Term didn't leave my tune skewed. I could say the same type of idiotic response about James tunes, but I don't because I know better. If you believe Term left my tune skewed then your opinion of Term is he's not a competent tuner. I haven't read any complaints and I highly doubt any tuner that has a name worth anything on here would leave a tune skewed.

In my opinion Terms tune drives better than CCSS3's did, and like my tuner review months ago it acts normal. No weird things happening that I didn't understand or get. Car drove/drives great and I like where it's at right now.

Except for I never asked for more timing or leaner. I would never ask to go leaner. Why would I? You had me at .81 Lambda for crying out loud. The things I asked about was, "why is my car rumbling", "Why is my idle rough", "why is my trims so weird when I stop", "Why am I surging", "Why do I have sporadic AFRs at idle" etc. Anyone that knows me knows, I don't give a damn about aggressive. I like conservative and you know this. You made my tune (as you put it) "mild aggressive". I asked for conservative and you give me mild aggressive and tell me it's the same thing. So I went with it.

My logs were done in the exact same spot for all my logs, you knew this too because I was complaining that I got a ticket and it's in a highly populated area and you said you'd get it done faster if I stay or I have to go somewhere else and start over. Every single one of them were in the same spot because that was my route to work every morning. I did everything you asked even closing my wastegate 100%, changing spark plug gaps, unpluging evap purge for logging, everything you asked I did.

It is what it is James, and you know it. My tunes took longer and that's the truth. Our second time working together was a lot of rightly done logs.

James told you, your tune was right doesn't mean it is... See how that sounds? Why do you assume on someone else's account. These fallacies are what makes you look bad. Where did you get the idea my tune was skewed or wrong? It literally came out of no where.

James said he can get tunes done in seven logs, Term did it in seven logs, so just because term did it in seven and James did it in more all the sudden Term did it wrong. Makes no sense if you ask me.

 

Lmfao..........

And again

The day in which you logged I asked did you go into different elevations and you state yes. I had multiple full e cars done by 8 logs and so on. Larger turbos same deal...also, your car had issues with keeping boost longer even with me holding higher wgdc and so on. So tightening the wastegate was needed. And which it did, I never registered surge. Hmmmmm weird... Your trims you speak of we're ltft. I'd get a text about a 1-3% difference from one elevation to the next and said if you want to send a log do so. In which you would. You did not send correct logs. You think term got it done in 7 logs because he's a better tuner? Lol, Very simple to get a tune done in a few logs, simple. Hence I have cars done 6-10 logs depending on variations or charaistics they want within the tune.

 

When I data logged I went all over the place so Terminator could see the different readings, why would you have him stay in 1 place when our altitude changes so frequently? My car is a day/night difference between stock tune with mods and the way it runs now. I get no chugging when under 100 degrees Coolant temp, the A/F readings are not skewed like they used to be. All in the time it took 6 logs. Why did it take 30+?

Vander, just stop denying the fact that this tune was screwed up. Its ok, everyone makes mistakes. but you are just blindly defending him and that makes you look like a tool

 

You drive all over the place because you kept doing it. I got tired of getting random shitty logs due to one log being in one area the. Bam wtf happens. If a log is presented in the same baro for all logs or all logs are in different elevations I can get a mixture and get it down. But if a log is in say 5800 ten down to some lower elevation then sent to me I have to work with what I have then next logs are in 5800 then another random is 3000 . See my point.

 

Isin't a tune supposed to be compatible with all sorts or weather changes and altitude changes? This is honestly a serious question, not to start ****? This thread has went from good info to mindless bitching in about 15 posts haha..

 

Right, however it shouldn't need to be changed that much or we would need to log everyday to change the tune every time we hit a different altitude.

 

Thats what I'm asking, honestly. it makes no sense to need to datalog at different altitudes like he had to. Serious question

 

Your right, but if a car is logged in say 5800 and then never goes to a lower elevation but say one randomly and doesn't do it again. Then see my point. All my higher elevation guys I tell them to give me a mixture in te same log every time so I get the same type of logs.

 

I'm going to throw the tuners a hypothetical situation really fast (Term and James, etc). Say I'm a bone stock car as far as engine modifications. All I want is a little more power. SAFELY, what should you be able to pull as far as whp and wtq?! I would think 20 psi would be a safe boost level for the tune, or that's what I would want. Without any modifications, approximately how many tuning sessions would it take to get a stock car dialed-in (perfect scenario)? I live in GA, and the altitude is around 400 ft. ASL. Keep in mind that this is with HPt software.

 

I'm not saying logging in different elevations is bad. But what is shitty is if logs are done in on elevation then all of a sudden on log is sent in a different lower or higher elevation. If understand if two logs were sent so I can put the two together. And divide by the number of logs

 

Yea I understand that, I'm just wondering for like safety issues. I would think that there would be some give. Like I'm outside of Chicago right now, is my car going to pop if I decide to take a road trip to Colorado? I feel like the tune should be able to account for the 1-3% scews in the trims...idk tho. Just tryin to learn!

 

Stock car just added boost and thing you want from tq management. Getting lower trims down will take but maybe two logs with timing depending on wants. Topend trims will be different so I say roughly 3-5 logs would net it depending on what te wants are. Now this can change with every car, why? Because a car may be stock but compression can be higher or lower, and filter can be dirty, or a small leak somewhere that isn't seen or heard and so on so things are different.

But technically not many logs would be needed..

 

Car has fuel trims for the reason of so, but trims change drastically from 100ft to 5800.. .. Ltft save and stft are then as there..

 

Now you're making up stuff and ignoring the fact that all my logs were in the same location and the only thing that changed was the Density Altitude which is controlled by temp. And yes my actual altitude changed because the chances of you finding the exact same altitude here in Colorado is slimmer here in Wheat Ridge Colorado! I've stated many times I can drive 5 miles in one direction and go up 500ft or drop 500ft. You told me to keep it the same altitude for logging. Yes the same altitude for all my logs were used. I logged in the exact same spot.

I don't care what you do with other cars, that's not what's important to me, what is important is how you tuned and how many logs happened with my car. I logged with you over 60+ times total. I didn't like it my friend, not one bit.

Like I said earlier, I logged in the exact same spot. Highway and city, it's the same path I took to work every day. Another thing you won't find 3000 here in western Denver Metro area so no.

Secondly I drive all around Jefferson county, Broomfield, to Highlands Ranch (you probably don't know what that is) and the altitude changes constantly during that span and by golly the weather does too. The way you tune it seems you expect a perfect world where the weather and altitude is the same 24/7. Colorado isn't that flat and up here the weather changes on a dime.

Like I said in my review from months ago (that you agreed to I might add) Terms tune was more suited for daily driving and performance where yours was designed to stay in a special area and zone. The moment I drive out of that 'zone' your tune becomes skewed.

In reality all this doesn't matter, I left for a reason and that reason was a better tune (in my opinion) than yours.

 

right, but the ECM is designed to change fuel trims based on this variable. Thats why they dont make "Colorado" special cars due to the elevation lol.

 

You can say what you want. That you logged in the same elevation on all logs. Truth is you didn't.. The way I tune is what I say I expect to get. I expect the person logging to stay to the agreement in which you didn't. I got trims stft 1-3% and ltft 0. Within a few logs and. All of a sudden I get a log with ltft 1-3 and stft 5% and I got complaining. Sorry but ltft are there for a reason along with stft..

 

Now understand, im not saying i didnt take a long time. Cuz i know how many logs were done. But there were issues like bad fuel which you know mike happened a few times which causesd kr or different trims. The boost i was trying to fix, and so on... Which is why it took more logs as well.

 

Wow, I logged in the same course every time. I followed the same route every log.

You can say what you want that its my fault, my cars fault, Colorado, world hunger, but the fact is it took you over 30 logs regardless of how you wanna pick at it to save face to get me dialed in. And when I was dialed in my car surged, had a rough idle, my trims would skew when I drove to a different city and my AFRs were crazy at idle.

Terms tune doesn't do any of that

What matters in the end is I'm happy with Terms tune. More so than yours. I don't care how you wanna place blame because it doesn't matter. I'm happy now and that's all I care about.