HPP Tune warranty void?
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HPP Tune warranty void?
After reading about how much power everyone is getting from tuning their turbo's I've really been considering doing it myself. Especially since my cousin has the HPP program on his laptop and all I have to do is buy the $120 credit for my own tune. But, the thought of voiding my warranty for my engine/drivetrain has crossed my mind. Now just thinking about it I would almost think it definitely would void it, or will in the future. So I was just seeing who has done it and if you'd have had any problems with having your coby tuned and having something worked on under warranty. Also I was wondering if you could "un-tune" (if that's even a word?) the coby and bring it into the dealer without them noticing? I really want to do the tune and have the power gains, but the 100,000mi warranty seems too good to ruin. ahh decisions decisions!
There are posts on this man, you've been here since 2008 you should have seen them by now!
yes, a tune can void your warranty. Its up to the dealer tho to decide if the tune was the probably cause of whatever part failure your going to get fixed.
if you remove the tune, and the dealer is actually looking, they can see that the PCM was re-flashed. voided.
You can get a tune that is hidden such as Trifectas tune. or you could get the Stage 1 kit from GM that leaves your warranty intact.
yes, a tune can void your warranty. Its up to the dealer tho to decide if the tune was the probably cause of whatever part failure your going to get fixed.
if you remove the tune, and the dealer is actually looking, they can see that the PCM was re-flashed. voided.
You can get a tune that is hidden such as Trifectas tune. or you could get the Stage 1 kit from GM that leaves your warranty intact.
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Ok thanks, I tried searching but had no luck. Apparently I do not know how to search for threads haha. I've been a member since 08 but I don't post much as you can see by my 9 posts haha. The main reason I was going to use the HPP tune was only because I would save so much money on it.
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Yes it definitely will void your warrany. And from what I understand if you flash and reflash it the dealership and or GM can tell how many times it has been done. Also GM has been very strict lately about this and sent bulletins to dealer about checking for aftermarket tunes and anything not GM on the cars. So the saying goes "If you want to play you gotta pay"
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Yeah that is what my uncle warned me about, he works at the dealer that I bought mine. So I can get the Trifecta tune or the GM tune and I will be fine with the warranty? I didn't think GM released their tune yet? Thought I read that somewhere but then again I could be wrong. And sorry if this thread is redundant!
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They can not just void your warranty out right like that actually. You are protected by the Magnusson-Moss Act of 1975.
In order for them to void your warranty your car will have to require a repair of some sort, and they will have to prove that your modification was the actual cause for the need for said repair.
It even says it in your owners manual if you'd like to check for yourself. I don't know the page off hand, but I can check for you when I get home.
Edit: Also there is no way hide to a tune. The ECU records every reflash that has taken place. A few people have just found and bought a second ECU all together, but Idk how ethical that is, and if it can have any draw backs.
In order for them to void your warranty your car will have to require a repair of some sort, and they will have to prove that your modification was the actual cause for the need for said repair.
It even says it in your owners manual if you'd like to check for yourself. I don't know the page off hand, but I can check for you when I get home.
Edit: Also there is no way hide to a tune. The ECU records every reflash that has taken place. A few people have just found and bought a second ECU all together, but Idk how ethical that is, and if it can have any draw backs.
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Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GMs position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after Dealers) in the U.S. of the dealers responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be EPA Certified, California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified, emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturers Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is altered between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GMs position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after Dealers) in the U.S. of the dealers responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be EPA Certified, California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified, emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturers Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is altered between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
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Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GMs position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after Dealers) in the U.S. of the dealers responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be EPA Certified, California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified, emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturers Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is altered between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
Date: December 8, 2008 GM 08-35
To: All General Motors Dealers, Saturn Retailers, &
General Motors VSSM Employees
From: Mark R. LaNeve
GMNA Vice President
NA Vehicle Sales, Service, and Marketing
Subject: NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION
The purpose of this letter is to clarify GMs position on aftermarket powertrain and propulsion conversions and to remind all GM Dealers and Saturn Retailers (herein after Dealers) in the U.S. of the dealers responsibilities and requirements for certifying and labeling a new motor vehicle relative to its compliance with applicable U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) for any modifications/alterations prior to first retail sale.
Given consumer interest in fuel economy, there has been more advertising of, and greater interest in, vehicle performance modifications (like re-calibration, control modules, chip sets), alternate fuels (like gaseous CNG, LPG & Hydrogen), and alternate propulsion systems (like Hybrid & Electric). Some aftermarket manufacturers claim to be EPA Certified, California Air Resources Board (CARB) Certified, emissions compliant, etc., and may additionally claim that they have been working with GM, are GM approved, or endorsed by GM.
As a reminder, GM does not endorse or authorize any End Products made by other Manufacturers, nor any non-GM work performed on new vehicles (by Dealers/Manufacturers/Upfitters including those with a valid Special Vehicle Manufacturers Agreement) other than warranty work or recall campaigns authorized by GM. This is true for new vehicles on which further work (incomplete manufacturing) is to be performed, or a new vehicle that is altered between the time it is certified as a completed vehicle by GM, and the time that it is delivered to the first retail, fleet, or commercial customer.
Any changes to the GM Powertrain, Fuel, or Emission Systems that involve modifications, conversions, or the addition of non-GM approved products will VOID the GM Powertrain Limited Warranty including, but not limited to the repair of engine, sensors (O2), wiring, control modules, emissions, exhaust system, catalytic converter, and any other components and/or control systems which fail because of the modification or conversion. GM will not be responsible for costs associated with the repair of these vehicles due to failure of the aftermarket installed components or failures of related vehicle systems induced by these non-GM approved products.
It is vitally important to General Motors and its dealers to continue to build and maintain consumer confidence in ours products and services, while meeting all applicable legal requirements. You are encouraged to seek the advice of your own legal counsel with respect to any incomplete or altered vehicle changes being performed or authorized by your dealership.
Would you mind providing a source to where you got this information? I tried searching for it, and came up with nothing.
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Well then my owners manual lies because it even says that Aftermarket Modifications don't void my warranty out right. Plus my friends dad has a SS/TC, and has the Hahn PPC Tune, and blew out his charge piping, and they still covered it under warranty, and this was before they noticed a defect in the piping and sent out a recall for it.
Would you mind providing a source to where you got this information? I tried searching for it, and came up with nothing.
Would you mind providing a source to where you got this information? I tried searching for it, and came up with nothing.
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It's directly from GM. Now some dealers do not notice/care but if they send a Rep or someone from GM to inspect it then it's a issue esp if you have say burnt piston, knocking, tranny failure ect they have to contact GM and they ask the tech look at or to send them the pcm data. Some people may get lucky and not have a issue.
I get what you mean though, because if you burn a piston and blow out your tranny of course there are going to be some questions. Especially if they notice something aftermarket on the car, but you're telling me that this NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION by passes the Magnusson-Moss Act all together?
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So you don't have a source for it where I can find it online? I'm not trying to say that isn't credible. I just would like to see where you got that information from that's all.
I get what you mean though, because if you burn a piston and blow out your tranny of course there are going to be some questions. Especially if they notice something aftermarket on the car, but you're telling me that this NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION by passes the Magnusson-Moss Act all together?
I get what you mean though, because if you burn a piston and blow out your tranny of course there are going to be some questions. Especially if they notice something aftermarket on the car, but you're telling me that this NEW VEHICLE MODIFICATIONS - ALTERNATE PROPULSION by passes the Magnusson-Moss Act all together?
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It's a letter from GM to all the dealers. I'm a parts manager at a Gm dealership and this was sent thru GM's Global Connect. In this area I know of about 4-5 cars mainly LS1's from what I remember that the warrany was voided due to aftermarket tunes in about 2 years time. Could be more as we are not a Chevy dealership I just heard from the manager at that store and also my rep
The wording in that note is a bit questionable though.
Yeah that is what my uncle warned me about, he works at the dealer that I bought mine. So I can get the Trifecta tune or the GM tune and I will be fine with the warranty? I didn't think GM released their tune yet? Thought I read that somewhere but then again I could be wrong. And sorry if this thread is redundant!
The Trifecta tune hides the tune so that its only active when your cruise control button is not on. When you push the ruise control button on the steering wheel and the orange light is on, then your car is in stock tune mode. apparently they say the dealers cant figure it out unless they turn off that button and test drive it. lol.
you always have the option at buying a second ECM and getting that one tuned then having your stock one for dealer issues if you're worried about it
or the trifecta tune works as well
or the trifecta tune works as well
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