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Old May 11, 2016 | 08:23 AM
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I just took my mani off my car and 3 bolts were not even close to torque spec.
This will do it.
I had a Kr issue from my o2, spark plugs, and o2 housing all being lose
**I bought my car from a moron and a half**
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Old May 11, 2016 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by blueLNFftw
This will do it.
I had a Kr issue from my o2, spark plugs, and o2 housing all being lose
**I bought my car from a moron and a half**
Sounds like someone hurried to put the car back to stock or just sucked at maintenance.
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Old May 11, 2016 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by umrdyldo
Sounds like someone hurried to put the car back to stock or just sucked at maintenance.
My car was missing about 15 essential bolts.
Wheel bearings held on with 1 bolt, trans on with 3, motor mounts with 2, and it goes on...
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Old May 12, 2016 | 12:54 PM
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I have seen this happen when something is rattling really hard on the car, like exhaust or lower charge pipe. Does your car have a jarring rattle? at 12* you are just pegging your knock sensor feedback. Very unlikely that you would have that much detonation on the stock tune too.
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Old May 12, 2016 | 02:13 PM
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Nah there are no new sounds in the engine bay. It starts knocking at any throttle input and never goes down.

New knock sensors are going in today and see if that makes any changes.
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Old May 12, 2016 | 03:00 PM
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New Knocks sensors

No difference

Edit
Spoke too soon. Its all set now

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Old May 13, 2016 | 06:40 PM
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New Knocks sensors

No difference

Edit
Spoke too soon. Its all set now
Well, I will hold out hope that you got it figured out 100% :-)
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:47 AM
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Well, I will hold out hope that you got it figured out 100% :-)
Its better but its not 100 percent.
There is 3.7 degrees of knock on cylinder 1
The knock on all the other cylinders is gone and it only happens below ~4k, doesnt go up with rpm just shoots to 3.7 and starts going down to 0.

I took off 6 degrees of timing and there was no change.
I will take a look if something is rattling but I am not worrying about it.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
Its better but its not 100 percent.
There is 3.7 degrees of knock on cylinder 1
The knock on all the other cylinders is gone and it only happens below ~4k, doesnt go up with rpm just shoots to 3.7 and starts going down to 0.

I took off 6 degrees of timing and there was no change.
I will take a look if something is rattling but I am not worrying about it.
I don't want to say it's common, but that's kind of common on an LNF. It's usually knock due to bad fuel trims or a slightly off tune. Sometimes it's not even real knock. Ghost KR.

On the graph you see an instant jump to 3-3.7 KR, maybe flat for a bit then falls to zero as RPM climb.

I was only able to rid myself of that type of KR by tuning the fuel trims and adding about 25% ethanol.

Put the timing back to the way it was. Start by tuning fuel trims. Once your fuel trims are decent, then remove timing as needed.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 02:46 PM
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Yup, it goes to 3.7 stays for a bit then starts to drop.
I am injecting meth at 3psi to full flow at 15psi (375cc nozzle) and it still shows 3.7. It shows the same 3.7 in the same spots if I turn the meth off. I am going to wrap all of the pipes and add rubber feets to a few things to see if it helps.

But I am not too worried about it.

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Old May 18, 2016 | 05:35 PM
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Yup, it goes to 3.7 stays for a bit then starts to drop.
I am injecting meth at 3psi to full flow at 15psi (375cc nozzle) and it still shows 3.7. It shows the same 3.7 in the same spots if I turn the meth off. I am going to wrap all of the pipes and add rubber feets to a few things to see if it helps.

But I am not too worried about it.
Yeah I wouldn't be. But injecting more isn't likely to fix it. Needs more tuning.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
Yup, it goes to 3.7 stays for a bit then starts to drop.
I am injecting meth at 3psi to full flow at 15psi (375cc nozzle) and it still shows 3.7. It shows the same 3.7 in the same spots if I turn the meth off. I am going to wrap all of the pipes and add rubber feets to a few things to see if it helps.

But I am not too worried about it.
Personally, I would stay away from spraying that early in boost if I were you. Spraying that early can get a little dicey when it comes to the tuning side of things. Mainly in the normal driving lower rpm relatively "higher" load areas that will naturally generator a bit of boost (such as going up a hill in a taller gear, or passing a car on the highway). This will cause the system to spray meth in areas in which you don't need or want, and do it in such a matter that makes dialing in the maf table very inconsistent.

FYI.... Random bits of knock isn't always a condition of ignition timing when it comes to the lnf.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 06:20 PM
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Going through a bottle of meth every lap is also rather annoying.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 06:29 PM
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WOW! With that small of a nozzle?? Let me guess, you're either running a tb spacer with a meth port, or you're plumbed directly in the manifold?
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Old May 18, 2016 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
Going through a bottle of meth every lap is also rather annoying.
How long is a lap? And how big is your bottle?
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Old May 18, 2016 | 09:25 PM
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How long is a lap? And how big is your bottle?
That has to be one hell of a long lap and one hell of a small tank to run out in one lap my man.

I have cars running auto cross tracks on 25gph (more than double the nozzle of what sev is using) and will make it through an entire event on less than a gallon.

Where is your nozzle located sev?
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Old May 18, 2016 | 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
That has to be one hell of a long lap and one hell of a small tank to run out in one lap my man.

I have cars running auto cross tracks on 25gph (more than double the nozzle of what sev is using) and will make it through an entire event on less than a gallon.
My exact point
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Old May 18, 2016 | 09:54 PM
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I have the reservoir that comes with the snow performance kit, it's rather small.
The light to refill comes in rather quickly, about 6 0 to 120 pulls and it needs to be refilled.
Nothing special on the nozzle location, after the tmap.

My downpipe exploded again today, should have kept the zzp pipe since that one never gave me any issues.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
I have the reservoir that comes with the snow performance kit, it's rather small.
The light to refill comes in rather quickly, about 6 0 to 120 pulls and it needs to be refilled.
Nothing special on the nozzle location, after the tmap.

My downpipe exploded again today, should have kept the zzp pipe since that one never gave me any issues.
After the tmap as in, in the charge pipe before the tb, or after the tb (spacer or in manifold)?
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
I have the reservoir that comes with the snow performance kit, it's rather small.
The light to refill comes in rather quickly, about 6 0 to 120 pulls and it needs to be refilled.
Nothing special on the nozzle location, after the tmap.

My downpipe exploded again today, should have kept the zzp pipe since that one never gave me any issues.
I forget if you have a cobalt or a kappa, if you have a cobalt pm me about the downpipe (I have a high flow cat and catless both from zzp)
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:23 PM
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After the map sensor on the charge pipe
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 09CobaltSS1
After the tmap as in, in the charge pipe before the tb, or after the tb (spacer or in manifold)?
I'm gonna guess it's in the charge pipe pre tb

*edit* damn good guess
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:29 PM
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It's a kappa.
The downpipe broke in 2 a week or so ago and it was welded. Now it broke I'm two again but not where it was welded. Guess it's just a crappy kit.

Wish I never sold my zzp.
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Old May 18, 2016 | 10:31 PM
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The broken downpipe might explain some of the KR issues though, I would get that taken care of. I'm sure you'll sell the KO4R easy and then you can grab another zzp pipe
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Old May 18, 2016 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sev
After the map sensor on the charge pipe
Well ****. That kills my theory on you chewing through meth then.


Originally Posted by ECaulk
I'm gonna guess it's in the charge pipe pre tb

*edit* damn good guess
I sort of figured. I just didn't want to assume in hopes that I'd have a simple resolution to his meth consumption.
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