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May have solved 100% E85 on LNF puzzle

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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 12:41 PM
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Holy Santa Clause ****

Prices?

Release Date?

Or is this just the same cam setup that you already sell for the LNF?.

EDIT: NVM I just noticed it's already an option on the cams available

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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 12:47 PM
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I was looking at a pic of a crate engine LHU and there seems to be something that looks like it may be a secondary HPFP on the exhaust cam...anyone think maybe we might be able to do an LHU head/LNF botom end hybrid? lol May solve our full E prob and feed a large turbo too. Just an idea...
I thought that was a vacuum pump.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
I thought that was a vacuum pump.
I dont know anything about that engine. I cant find any specs on it so your probably right. If thats the case then forget everything I mentioned
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 01:31 PM
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So let me get this straight. You're supposed to have a bigger pump to run e85. So if this bigger pump happens can you run e85 year round?
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by vahdyx
So let me get this straight. You're supposed to have a bigger pump to run e85. So if this bigger pump happens can you run e85 year round?
Not necessarily bigger. We need it to flow more than it does to provide a higher volume of fuel, which is required to run full E at high HP levels or on a bigger turbo/Full E. Remember, we are talking about the high pressure mechanical fuel pump not the in-tank electric one.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
I've been running our revised fuel pump lobe cam for a while now. I picked up ~20% fuel flow through the midrange. With injection timing adjustments, we've dyno'd >460 ft lbs on E85 with the DI rail only. WHP numbers were well over 500, but the in-tank pump comes up short at this power level on E85. With an in-tank pump swap, we have seen 540whp with DI only on E85. With our additional injector and controller, 612whp. We are installing these parts on a customer car today.
So the other part of your puzzle is actually cam lobe based on not a different pump ..


Interesting you are able to get that much out of it , since everything is rail pressure based it seems you are getting it figured out .....

I just don't want to have to buy a cam just for fueling

MY end still has some interesting developments ...

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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 02:46 PM
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I like ZZPs new cam with revised fuel pump lobe idea. I want to run full E on my slightly larger turbo setup. If they could pick up that much flow in the midrange, where a lot of us were reaching fuel limitations then thats awesome!
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 03:58 PM
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so wait, is there anyone still running full e85 with no issues without a bigger turbo since this was released? i have been following the thread for a long time but its too much reading haha
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 06:55 PM
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so wait, is there anyone still running full e85 with no issues without a bigger turbo since this was released? i have been following the thread for a long time but its too much reading haha
Some can. Mine was a no-go. My HPFP is weaksause. Back to 93 for me.
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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 07:40 PM
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66%E was my limit, 47% was faster by a hair and no HPFP droop.

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Old Jun 15, 2011 | 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokinSam06
so wait, is there anyone still running full e85 with no issues without a bigger turbo since this was released? i have been following the thread for a long time but its too much reading haha
I still run it with no issues
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 08:09 AM
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i have been considering doing e85, but plan on keeping my car for a few years so i dont know if there will be any long term affects? are you experiencing any knock? hard starts? ect? also how hard or bad would it be to just tune back to 91 during the winter because i heard that the starts are hard in the cold and in iowa it gets -20 during the winter.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokinSam06
i have been considering doing e85, but plan on keeping my car for a few years so i dont know if there will be any long term affects? are you experiencing any knock? hard starts? ect? also how hard or bad would it be to just tune back to 91 during the winter because i heard that the starts are hard in the cold and in iowa it gets -20 during the winter.
The whole point of E is to keep KR at bay all the while making more power. Since its more KR resistant then there is no KR. Colder temps do seem to affect starting on straight E but if you prime the engine first before starting, some have found that its a non-issue anymore. Like others have mentioned, some engines dont have issues running it while others do. You will not know if your particular engine can handle it or not until you try it.

If you have a cable then you can flash tunes back and forth as you wish. its super easy to just flash a winter tune back on the car for 93 and then your E tune in the summer as long as your mods havent changed in-between.
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 11:22 AM
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I have no issues with anything on full E but of course i live in AZ so cars here love it
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Old Jun 16, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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sweet, thanks guys!
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Old Jun 17, 2011 | 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
I've been running our revised fuel pump lobe cam for a while now. I picked up ~20% fuel flow through the midrange. With injection timing adjustments, we've dyno'd >460 ft lbs on E85 with the DI rail only. WHP numbers were well over 500, but the in-tank pump comes up short at this power level on E85. With an in-tank pump swap, we have seen 540whp with DI only on E85. With our additional injector and controller, 612whp. We are installing these parts on a customer car today.
Now what kind of numbers could you expect to see from the k04 with these modifications?
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 11:19 AM
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another couple questions for you guys, if i do 100%E, will the clutch go out ALOT faster? also do you think i would need a knock gauge?

thanks!
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokinSam06
another couple questions for you guys, if i do 100%E, will the clutch go out ALOT faster? also do you think i would need a knock gauge?

thanks!
If you are really worried about the clutch, which on the stock clutch you should be, just limit torque in the lower RPMs a little.

You don't really need a way to see knock, but it never hurts. i just use the DashHawk
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 11:49 AM
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how do you limit the torque, is that done by vince?
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 11:51 AM
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Ask your tuner to ramp in the boost slower in the mid rpm range.
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 12:20 PM
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so just lower the boost in the mid range? seems simple enough, i have been wanting to take this Eleap for a while now but i have been so skeptical about it, guess i gotta just grab the junk and jump into it, lol
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Old Jun 28, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FasterIsBetter
Now what kind of numbers could you expect to see from the k04 with these modifications?
For the K04- our cam with modified fuel pump lobe does the job. You can run full E85 with it on the K04. I did close to 500 ft lbs without the additional injector.
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 10:32 AM
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Is that a new cam or one with the lobe reground ?
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mongorat427
Is that a new cam or one with the lobe reground ?
is there an adjustment on the "pump rocker arm" (or whatever the proper term for the pump's rocker would be) to get the proper lash/lift on a ground stock cam pump lobe?
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Old Jun 29, 2011 | 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
For the K04- our cam with modified fuel pump lobe does the job. You can run full E85 with it on the K04. I did close to 500 ft lbs without the additional injector.
Will this do anything to the life of the fuel pump? I just had one go out after running E85 for about 15K miles.
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