I've read through the forum, and it seems like a 50/50 split. I have yet to hear this exhaust on a LNF, but I don't imagine it would be all that different than the LSJ.

Any thoughts guys? I'm not really after a particular sound, as to be honest with you... 2.0 engines don't sound that great with aftermarket exhaust. I could go custom and I'm sure I could get a bit of a lower, growly sound, but who are we kidding? It's no V8 and never will be. Just thinking ahead as it's really a fair price from TurboTech and I dig the black piping.

I'm in Canada, and this exhaust will see the harshness of our winters. I'm not hard on my cars, and put forth an effort to clean the undercarriage regularly. Any long standing owners of this exhaust see problems? I've seen people bitch about it being raspy, and ordering a resonator to fix that problem... I planned on doing this anyhow. Magnaflow has always supplied me with my high flow resonators, and I love them.

Don't give a **** about what the tip looks like as I'm paining that flat black as well. More concerned with the 'cheapness' of the tubing used and if any of you have seen fitment problems. I'm a tech, the job will be done on a hoist and I"ll be cutting that OEM crap out of there, so I could care less about the installation.

Any suggestions and help would be appreciated.

If I don't like what I hear, I'll be going with the ZZP catback as originally planned. Love that ZZP, they never steered me wrong with 5 years of modifying my GTP.

 

I don't know man. You can't really compare the tone/rasp the lsj guys get to the tone of an lnf. I personally have a full turbo-back 3" straight pipe exhaust with really no rasp issues to complain of what so ever. The turbo really cleans things up and quiets things down quite a bit. Granted it's still loud but it has a nice deep tone that I personally love. Now in comparison to an lsj with a similar setup to mine, it is VERY raspy and anything short of idle or WOT sounds like donkey ***** IMO. As far as the Monza exhaust goes, I'm not very familiar with it but if it is setup for an lsj it will not bolt up to the lnf dp unless you cut off the 2 bolt flange and weld on a matching 3 bolt flange to mate up with the lnf dp.

 

your doing to have to hack of the flange and have new ones welded. lnf = 3 bolt.

 

do it and post videos...

 

The LNF and lsj engine sound nothing alike. Not even close.

 

No need to buy a new flange just cut the flange from the stock lnf exhaust and welded on to the pacesetter exhaust problem solved. I've heard the pacesetter exhaust and it sounded good to me.

 

this even with very similar turbo setups.....the car of the month umscfield and my car next to eachother you can tell the difference between mine and the lsj. VERY similar turbo setups. biggest difference is in the manifold and exhaust but his is virtually open and i can just open the dump.

 

You're telling me I have to remove the OEM flange from the stock exhaust, and have it welded to the Monza to mate up to the factory DP? What about the ZZP DP? That is what I've chosen and I'm going to stick to that decision... although ZZP says their DP bolts up to the stock exhaust, so it sounds like I'll still run into the same problem.

The whole point of me asking this was about the quality, if anybody had first hand experience. I'm really not trying to achieve any particular kind of sound, as I don't find anything less than a 3.8 V6 sounds very good with a loud exhaust. I did, however, feel that it being a turbo car, the turbo should muffle a lot of that 'raspy' sound you can get from smaller 4 cylinders on deceleration.

Thanks for all the info guys.. keep it comin!

While I have your attention... does anyone have the ZZP DP as well as their cat-back on their LNF they can share their opinions on? Anybody happy with that combo? Have ALWAYS had Magnaflow on my other rides, and was always really happy with the sound.

 

What you're not realizing is that the LSJ and LNF have different flanges from the downpipe to the catback. It doesn't matter which downpipe you buy, if it's made for the LNF, it's gonna have the 3 bolt flange. No matter what, if you want to use an exhaust made for the LNF, you're gonna have to get the 3 bolt flange cut off the stock exhaust and welded onto the aftermarket one.

Imo the 3800 is very hard to get to sound good, you gotta do the right mods to it, and they never sound very good under heavy throttle imo, this coming from a guy who owns a grand prix.

Personally I don't think magnaflow makes very many good sounding exhausts for 4 cylinders imo, they've got a nice catback for the 2.2, but I don't think it sounds as good on the LNF. I've heard magnaflow mufflers welded onto the stock exhaust, and they just didn't sound that good to me, no offense to anyone who has one.

 

If your gunna buy the pacsetter exhaust you have to understand its made for the lsj or ss/sc cobalt which is a 2 bolt from the downpipe. The lnf or ss/tc is a 3 bolt flange from the downpipe which is why the flange on the monza exhaust would have to be changed from a 2 bolt flange to a 3 bolt flange. The downpipe you got from zzp is fine its the exhaust your using which has to be modified to fit. Honestly your stock exhaust is very good, just cut your stock muffler off and weld on a after market one. The downpipe will also give you more gains then a catback will anyway.

 

pacesetter can go suck a dick

 

^ This.

Not that that's a serious amount of work or anything, but I'm not really going to save any money or hassle after changing over a flange, and purchasing a resonator from Magnaflow.
Another exhaust FTW.

Who has what cat-back and do they love the sound produced? I've heard countless of exhaust videos on YouTube and from what I"ve heard, although it not being in person, the Hahn actually sounded the best. But that video was just at idle, and revving... no fly-by passes.

 

Seriously? Granted my GTP was fairly modified, but with a catted DP and a custom Magnaflow exhaust system... that car sounded incredible. Really quiet in closed loop at idle, and at WOT it wasn't very loud. Sounded like a blown V8, honestly.

 

Maybe I just haven't heard enough of them in person, idk, not my cup of tea. I do love the sound of them cammed though.

 

you will like mine...its all about which magnaflow muffler you use and all in the right combination. mine sounds amazing.....will get a video when i can.

everything you said here is correct....any of the lsj exhausts need to have flanges rewelded...you want a nice exhaust buy the hahn exhaust.

 

seeing the laziness of pacesetter on my header turned me off of them for anything in the future. no common sense or something.

 

Stock exhaust doesn't cut it when tuned.

 

Not true depends how much power your running. If your staying mostly stock its fine. If your wanting to push alot of power then ofcourse the exhaust must be upgraded!

 

Not sure about the sound, but i ahd a pacesetter/monza exhaust on my saturn back in the day(first catback ever purchased) and within 1 1/2 - 2 years it rusted off!! Now im in Indiana and im sure my winters are not as harsh as yours are. Also im not for sure of there current quality, but like i said this was probably 10 years ago. But either way, good luck and let us know wut you do

robk

 

Any custom tuned balt should have an exhaust. A 2.5" exhaust isnt good enough for 300whp. Especially since the sticker isn't mandral bent. It narrows below 2.5" in some spots.

 

Well I hope this argument/discussion continues, haha... as I have a goal of roughly 350-375whp in mind. Hell who knows... when I get there I'll probably go higher.

The way I see it... is that stock exhaust is most probably only good with stock turbo. Anything larger and I think a taper down to 2.5" and smaller in some sections would be too restrictive. Think stock exhaust with muffer, high flow resonator and ZZP DP would be ok for that kind of power? I'm sure lots of you already are making that kind of power, with similar exhaust modifications...

I'm glad some of you have been honest about the Pacesetter. Not for a moment do I think you get really high quality from $279. It probably wouldn't last 2 years here, especially out East where the salt content is crazy!

 

yea i had a pacesetter header on my cavi and it sucked *****

 

Anybody have approximate measurements on the stock resonator? 2.5" in/out... correct?