Shell Gas with Nitrogen
TOP TIER FUEL SUPPLIERS:
• Chevron
• Chevron-Canada
• QuikTrip
• Conoco
• Phillips 66
• 76
• Shell
• Shell-Canada
• Entec Stations located in the greater Montgomery, Alabama area.
• MFA Oil Company located throughout Missouri.
• Kwik Trip, Inc. in Minnesota and Wisconsin and Kwik Star convenience stores in Iowa.
• The Somerset Refinery, Inc. at Somerset Oil stations in Kentucky.
• Aloha Petroleum
• Tri-Par Oil Company
• Turkey Hill Minit Markets
• Texaco
• Petro-Canada
• Sunoco-Canada
Top Tier isnt a ranking, its a level of additives, you either exceed the levels and are listed as Top Tier, or you dont have enough and you dont make the list.
GM recommends only using fuel from these suppliers, if you cant then use Techron additive every 3k miles.
• Chevron
• Chevron-Canada
• QuikTrip
• Conoco
• Phillips 66
• 76
• Shell
• Shell-Canada
• Entec Stations located in the greater Montgomery, Alabama area.
• MFA Oil Company located throughout Missouri.
• Kwik Trip, Inc. in Minnesota and Wisconsin and Kwik Star convenience stores in Iowa.
• The Somerset Refinery, Inc. at Somerset Oil stations in Kentucky.
• Aloha Petroleum
• Tri-Par Oil Company
• Turkey Hill Minit Markets
• Texaco
• Petro-Canada
• Sunoco-Canada
GM recommends only using fuel from these suppliers, if you cant then use Techron additive every 3k miles.
Last edited by Maven; Jun 23, 2009 at 06:56 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Heres a neat link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Tie...rgent_Gasoline
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Tie...rgent_Gasoline
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The GASOLINE in your gas is not 93 octane. It's the additives they use to have the resistance to detonation EQUIVALENT to a 93 octane gasoline. If they say it has a 93 octane rating, it is comparable to every other 93 octane gasoline. It is rated by testing in a test engine, so if they say 93, it will run just like 93. You are not always getting actual 93 octane gasoline, you are getting something equal to it in resistance to detonation. In fact you will never see pure 93 gasoline. If it weren't according to the effective resistance and it was an actual measure, over 100 octane would be physically impossible.
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I use Sunoco 260 GT 100 oct race gas for the track and Shell V-power 93 for everyday driving. I have no complaints for both gas products, just only one - lower the price..
You can use Sunoco 260 GT 100 gas for everyday use - its street legal.
My balt loves this stuff, you can feel the difference - after your tank is really empty and you fill her up with Sunoco 260 GT 100. It adds another 7whp. You'll need every WHP you can get at the track..
Here is a link for Sunoco's 260 GT 100 you can find gas stations & locations near you that sell it.
You can use Sunoco 260 GT 100 gas for everyday use - its street legal.
My balt loves this stuff, you can feel the difference - after your tank is really empty and you fill her up with Sunoco 260 GT 100. It adds another 7whp. You'll need every WHP you can get at the track..
Here is a link for Sunoco's 260 GT 100 you can find gas stations & locations near you that sell it.
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I can't believe Exxon is not on the list, as that is what I almost exclusively use, and have never had a problem. There is a Shell station directly across the street from the Exxon, and their price on 93 octane is always at least $.20 more then Exxon. I can fill up at a Shell in another town along my commute route for about $.10 more then the Exxon. According to this info, GM thinks I should be doing this, huh?
Edit: If you want 100 octane relatively cheaply, you can always go to your local po-dunk airport and get some 100LL in a gas can. Reason I say a po-dunk is because at a big airport there's no way in hell they will give you 100LL in a can. It's the same stuff the gas pumps are giving you, except it has MORE lead, so using it too much can cause problems with your cats. A little bit here and there for track days wont hurt anything though.
Edit: If you want 100 octane relatively cheaply, you can always go to your local po-dunk airport and get some 100LL in a gas can. Reason I say a po-dunk is because at a big airport there's no way in hell they will give you 100LL in a can. It's the same stuff the gas pumps are giving you, except it has MORE lead, so using it too much can cause problems with your cats. A little bit here and there for track days wont hurt anything though.
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I can't believe Exxon is not on the list, as that is what I almost exclusively use, and have never had a problem. There is a Shell station directly across the street from the Exxon, and their price on 93 octane is always at least $.20 more then Exxon. I can fill up at a Shell in another town along my commute route for about $.10 more then the Exxon. According to this info, GM thinks I should be doing this, huh?
Edit: If you want 100 octane relatively cheaply, you can always go to your local po-dunk airport and get some 100LL in a gas can. Reason I say a po-dunk is because at a big airport there's no way in hell they will give you 100LL in a can. It's the same stuff the gas pumps are giving you, except it has MORE lead, so using it too much can cause problems with your cats. A little bit here and there for track days wont hurt anything though.
Edit: If you want 100 octane relatively cheaply, you can always go to your local po-dunk airport and get some 100LL in a gas can. Reason I say a po-dunk is because at a big airport there's no way in hell they will give you 100LL in a can. It's the same stuff the gas pumps are giving you, except it has MORE lead, so using it too much can cause problems with your cats. A little bit here and there for track days wont hurt anything though.
Yes, your right - but getting 100 at the airport is super risky, if you get caught with it, you could face getting a ride in the back seat of local or airport police cruzer, most small airports (PA) are now checking for FAA credentials to purchase A-Fuel because of a possible terror treat.. I know because i tried it already at local airports..
they told me - "you either pull up in your aircraft or we'll deliver it to your aircraft" - they wouldn't fill up a 25 gal can..
Last edited by redstarpa69; Jun 27, 2009 at 02:39 AM.
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Most places if you just show them your pilot's license they will fill you up a 5 galon jug no problem, but yeah it definitely just depends on the airport. I know a nice tip always helps the matter too
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I got no cat - straight pipe.. Hahn Mod pipe..
Yes, your right - but getting 100 at the airport is super risky, if you get caught with it, you could face getting a ride in the back seat of local or airport police cruzer, most small airports (PA) are now checking for FAA credentials to purchase A-Fuel because of a possible terror treat.. I know because i tried it already at local airports..
they told me - "you either pull up in your aircraft or we'll deliver it to your aircraft" - they wouldn't fill up a 25 gal can..
Yes, your right - but getting 100 at the airport is super risky, if you get caught with it, you could face getting a ride in the back seat of local or airport police cruzer, most small airports (PA) are now checking for FAA credentials to purchase A-Fuel because of a possible terror treat.. I know because i tried it already at local airports..
they told me - "you either pull up in your aircraft or we'll deliver it to your aircraft" - they wouldn't fill up a 25 gal can..
When I was getting my pilots license, my dad and I mounted a large fuel tank to a trailer and put on a grounding wire, fuel pump, etc on it . It held around 100 gallons. We'd go to the gas station, fill it up, and just drive it back to the airport. (Our airplane was refit to run car gas and it is almost always cheaper, so we'd just do that vs getting 100LL.) We never got questioned, never had any problems, and if we had bad intentions or something, that would go off no different than 100LL.
I'm thinking it must be a flightline security thing more than the fact it's 100LL or something. They just don't want random people running around on the flightline anyway, since it could cause a hazard to them/the aircraft.
Also, I'd do more research into the effects of lead on your vehicle. There's more to it than just your cats. The whole reason it used to be in there for instance is to condition the seals on older engines that needed it (new engines no longer need it). I just hope you're not doing harm to the seals or other components running lead in your car.
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Actually there is a difference, the detergent/additive package is all that really seperates one fuel from another.
If all fuels were the same GM, BMW, Honda, etc wouldnt have gotten together and developed the Top Tier fuel standard that requires more detergents than the government does. And every fuel out there would pass the Top Tier standards, but they dont....... notable exclusions from the Top Tier fuel supplier list are Sunoco-USA, Exxon-Mobil, BP/Amoco, Valero, Flying J, Gulf, Hess, Lukoil, Marathon.
If all fuels were the same GM, BMW, Honda, etc wouldnt have gotten together and developed the Top Tier fuel standard that requires more detergents than the government does. And every fuel out there would pass the Top Tier standards, but they dont....... notable exclusions from the Top Tier fuel supplier list are Sunoco-USA, Exxon-Mobil, BP/Amoco, Valero, Flying J, Gulf, Hess, Lukoil, Marathon.
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Lastly, our next door neighbor just retired from chevron after 28 yrs and he told me that a SAE panel of independant scientists tested the tech-ron in chevrons fuel and found that it actually clogged injectors and increased carbon build up over a one year period by 27%...
And, that all these additives are just plain bad for your car, and a way to make everyone in the payout circle big $$$$ ...
Kind of like how demand for gas and oil is nearly in the basement and yet the price is going throught the roof again... Why? Because of three compnies that the U.S.Government won't touch: AIG, Chase, and Morgan-Stanely... These three companies have been found to be secretly taking tax payer and client monies and doing alot of investing in (oils futures) ..... 25 people that have blown the whistle on these companies are now in hiding...... It's these 2-3 companies that are having the RISING effect on our gas prices... Nothing else....
I use Sunoco 260 GT 100 oct race gas for the track and Shell V-power 93 for everyday driving. I have no complaints for both gas products, just only one - lower the price..
You can use Sunoco 260 GT 100 gas for everyday use - its street legal.
My balt loves this stuff, you can feel the difference - after your tank is really empty and you fill her up with Sunoco 260 GT 100. It adds another 7whp. You'll need every WHP you can get at the track..
Here is a link for Sunoco's 260 GT 100 you can find gas stations & locations near you that sell it.
You can use Sunoco 260 GT 100 gas for everyday use - its street legal.
My balt loves this stuff, you can feel the difference - after your tank is really empty and you fill her up with Sunoco 260 GT 100. It adds another 7whp. You'll need every WHP you can get at the track..
Here is a link for Sunoco's 260 GT 100 you can find gas stations & locations near you that sell it.
If you believe higher octane gives you more hp without a tune for it, keep on believing that... Your in a dream world.........
I've raced way to many cars over the last 18 years and worked with showroom racers\engineers with GM, Ford, Dodge having been rasied in MI and atest to these facts as they've been tesdted over and over for decades.....
I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........
Last edited by SportredSS; Jun 27, 2009 at 08:03 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
How's that any different that going to a gas station and loading up with a bunch of gas there? It's not like it's different than any other gasoline.
When I was getting my pilots license, my dad and I mounted a large fuel tank to a trailer and put on a grounding wire, fuel pump, etc on it . It held around 100 gallons. We'd go to the gas station, fill it up, and just drive it back to the airport. (Our airplane was refit to run car gas and it is almost always cheaper, so we'd just do that vs getting 100LL.) We never got questioned, never had any problems, and if we had bad intentions or something, that would go off no different than 100LL.
I'm thinking it must be a flightline security thing more than the fact it's 100LL or something. They just don't want random people running around on the flightline anyway, since it could cause a hazard to them/the aircraft.
Also, I'd do more research into the effects of lead on your vehicle. There's more to it than just your cats. The whole reason it used to be in there for instance is to condition the seals on older engines that needed it (new engines no longer need it). I just hope you're not doing harm to the seals or other components running lead in your car.
When I was getting my pilots license, my dad and I mounted a large fuel tank to a trailer and put on a grounding wire, fuel pump, etc on it . It held around 100 gallons. We'd go to the gas station, fill it up, and just drive it back to the airport. (Our airplane was refit to run car gas and it is almost always cheaper, so we'd just do that vs getting 100LL.) We never got questioned, never had any problems, and if we had bad intentions or something, that would go off no different than 100LL.
I'm thinking it must be a flightline security thing more than the fact it's 100LL or something. They just don't want random people running around on the flightline anyway, since it could cause a hazard to them/the aircraft.
Also, I'd do more research into the effects of lead on your vehicle. There's more to it than just your cats. The whole reason it used to be in there for instance is to condition the seals on older engines that needed it (new engines no longer need it). I just hope you're not doing harm to the seals or other components running lead in your car.
I believe it was for the valve seats back in the day. Hasn't been a problem in a long time. Lead can't hurt anything that i'm aware of, other than emissions stuff.
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They are not legally allowed to sell 100ll to you for non-aviation use due to environmental reasons not terrorist reasons. lol
Last edited by sponge14; Jun 27, 2009 at 09:53 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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How's that any different that going to a gas station and loading up with a bunch of gas there? It's not like it's different than any other gasoline.
When I was getting my pilots license, my dad and I mounted a large fuel tank to a trailer and put on a grounding wire, fuel pump, etc on it . It held around 100 gallons. We'd go to the gas station, fill it up, and just drive it back to the airport. (Our airplane was refit to run car gas and it is almost always cheaper, so we'd just do that vs getting 100LL.) We never got questioned, never had any problems, and if we had bad intentions or something, that would go off no different than 100LL.
I'm thinking it must be a flightline security thing more than the fact it's 100LL or something. They just don't want random people running around on the flightline anyway, since it could cause a hazard to them/the aircraft.
Also, I'd do more research into the effects of lead on your vehicle. There's more to it than just your cats. The whole reason it used to be in there for instance is to condition the seals on older engines that needed it (new engines no longer need it). I just hope you're not doing harm to the seals or other components running lead in your car.
When I was getting my pilots license, my dad and I mounted a large fuel tank to a trailer and put on a grounding wire, fuel pump, etc on it . It held around 100 gallons. We'd go to the gas station, fill it up, and just drive it back to the airport. (Our airplane was refit to run car gas and it is almost always cheaper, so we'd just do that vs getting 100LL.) We never got questioned, never had any problems, and if we had bad intentions or something, that would go off no different than 100LL.
I'm thinking it must be a flightline security thing more than the fact it's 100LL or something. They just don't want random people running around on the flightline anyway, since it could cause a hazard to them/the aircraft.
Also, I'd do more research into the effects of lead on your vehicle. There's more to it than just your cats. The whole reason it used to be in there for instance is to condition the seals on older engines that needed it (new engines no longer need it). I just hope you're not doing harm to the seals or other components running lead in your car.
100 octane gas or any race fuel will NOT give you any power increase UNLESS your car is tuned for it..... That's a fact... In fact, unless your tuned for the higher octane fuel, you'll actually lose power.....
If you believe higher octane gives you more hp without a tune for it, keep on believing that... Your in a dream world.........
I've raced way to many cars over the last 18 years and worked with showroom racers\engineers with GM, Ford, Dodge having been rasied in MI and atest to these facts as they've been tesdted over and over for decades.....
I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........
If you believe higher octane gives you more hp without a tune for it, keep on believing that... Your in a dream world.........
I've raced way to many cars over the last 18 years and worked with showroom racers\engineers with GM, Ford, Dodge having been rasied in MI and atest to these facts as they've been tesdted over and over for decades.....
I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........
before you snap your knowlege around - research, research, research...
with my tune - i got 7HP more with 100 octane compared to 5HP using 98 octane, and with 93 octane just 2HP.. and this was verified by import Tuner magazine & famed tuner AMS..
as for your remarks about "I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........" check again - your fuel mix and spark change via mafs when using different octane grades - which can increase or decrease HP plus or minus 1 to 10 HP..
when using lower or higher octane grades - any tuner has to account for the variables with - weather/fuel/spark/iat/psi/velocity/dyno load/road load/etc then the motor is geting tuned.. again, before you snap your 18 yrs of knowlege around - research, research, research...
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Hey guys i work at a shell station. Well to make a long story short i talked to my boss and he showed me some charts about the new nitrogen gas its really 93-95 octane. The nitrogen brings up the octane rating because it burns hotter or something. Ill try to find those papers he shoed my and post them.
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The DOE, Department of Energy, does the work on the fuel octane..... Weights and measures covers the rest of the pump, the amount dispensed\per gallon, and how much we pay for it, how much comes out the of the pump, checks fuel quality....etc...
Lastly, our next door neighbor just retired from chevron after 28 yrs and he told me that a SAE panel of independant scientists tested the tech-ron in chevrons fuel and found that it actually clogged injectors and increased carbon build up over a one year period by 27%...
And, that all these additives are just plain bad for your car, and a way to make everyone in the payout circle big $$$$ ...
Kind of like how demand for gas and oil is nearly in the basement and yet the price is going throught the roof again... Why? Because of three compnies that the U.S.Government won't touch: AIG, Chase, and Morgan-Stanely... These three companies have been found to be secretly taking tax payer and client monies and doing alot of investing in (oils futures) ..... 25 people that have blown the whistle on these companies are now in hiding...... It's these 2-3 companies that are having the RISING effect on our gas prices... Nothing else....
100 octane gas or any race fuel will NOT give you any power increase UNLESS your car is tuned for it..... That's a fact... In fact, unless your tuned for the higher octane fuel, you'll actually lose power.....
If you believe higher octane gives you more hp without a tune for it, keep on believing that... Your in a dream world.........
I've raced way to many cars over the last 18 years and worked with showroom racers\engineers with GM, Ford, Dodge having been rasied in MI and atest to these facts as they've been tesdted over and over for decades.....
I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........
Lastly, our next door neighbor just retired from chevron after 28 yrs and he told me that a SAE panel of independant scientists tested the tech-ron in chevrons fuel and found that it actually clogged injectors and increased carbon build up over a one year period by 27%...
And, that all these additives are just plain bad for your car, and a way to make everyone in the payout circle big $$$$ ...
Kind of like how demand for gas and oil is nearly in the basement and yet the price is going throught the roof again... Why? Because of three compnies that the U.S.Government won't touch: AIG, Chase, and Morgan-Stanely... These three companies have been found to be secretly taking tax payer and client monies and doing alot of investing in (oils futures) ..... 25 people that have blown the whistle on these companies are now in hiding...... It's these 2-3 companies that are having the RISING effect on our gas prices... Nothing else....
100 octane gas or any race fuel will NOT give you any power increase UNLESS your car is tuned for it..... That's a fact... In fact, unless your tuned for the higher octane fuel, you'll actually lose power.....
If you believe higher octane gives you more hp without a tune for it, keep on believing that... Your in a dream world.........
I've raced way to many cars over the last 18 years and worked with showroom racers\engineers with GM, Ford, Dodge having been rasied in MI and atest to these facts as they've been tesdted over and over for decades.....
I've been with Psyco-stevo on many tunes, both 93 oct and 91 oct and THERE'S NO difference in power........
oh man am i jealous of you guys living where sunoco exists. i live in northern california. we have diarrhea for gas. but premium chevron is what i roll on.
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Actually there is a difference, the detergent/additive package is all that really seperates one fuel from another.
If all fuels were the same GM, BMW, Honda, etc wouldnt have gotten together and developed the Top Tier fuel standard that requires more detergents than the government does. And every fuel out there would pass the Top Tier standards, but they dont....... notable exclusions from the Top Tier fuel supplier list are Sunoco-USA, Exxon-Mobil, BP/Amoco, Valero, Flying J, Gulf, Hess, Lukoil, Marathon.
If all fuels were the same GM, BMW, Honda, etc wouldnt have gotten together and developed the Top Tier fuel standard that requires more detergents than the government does. And every fuel out there would pass the Top Tier standards, but they dont....... notable exclusions from the Top Tier fuel supplier list are Sunoco-USA, Exxon-Mobil, BP/Amoco, Valero, Flying J, Gulf, Hess, Lukoil, Marathon.
i just looked up that top tier stuff. its a good list.
copied directly from the website
TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
QuikTrip
Chevron
Texaco
MFA Oil Co.
Conoco
Phillips 66
76
Entec Stations
Shell
The Somerset Refinery, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
Aloha Petroleum
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Turkey Hill Minit Markets
Mileage Stations
Road Ranger
Chevron Canada
Shell Canada
Petro-Canada
Sunoco Canada
copied directly from the website
TOP TIER Gasoline Retailers:
QuikTrip
Chevron
Texaco
MFA Oil Co.
Conoco
Phillips 66
76
Entec Stations
Shell
The Somerset Refinery, Inc.
Kwik Trip / Kwik Star
Aloha Petroleum
Tri-Par Oil Co.
Turkey Hill Minit Markets
Mileage Stations
Road Ranger
Chevron Canada
Shell Canada
Petro-Canada
Sunoco Canada
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