Sounds like staged kits for the LNF are dead...
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Just some kind of reasoning why this is happening. I could give you a few reasons why they aren't coming out with stage kits, and ways that they could come out with stage kits that might be cheaper. I just want you to show some sort of factual reasons, instead of creating some bs thread. thats all 
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Yea, I heard this a long while ago too. Bosch is a bitch to work with anyways and charges too much.
No incentive for GM to do this, they don't make much money off of nickel and dime stuff like this, especially since it will lead to increased warranty costs on top of development costs. They can better put their money, resources, and employees on more productive things.
No incentive for GM to do this, they don't make much money off of nickel and dime stuff like this, especially since it will lead to increased warranty costs on top of development costs. They can better put their money, resources, and employees on more productive things.
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just do this...
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The ordinary rpm limiter is also raised from 6300rpm to 7000 rpm in first and second gear. Speed Limiter stays the same.
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BSR Chevrolet Cobalt SS 2.0T 2008
[COBALTPPC] $990.00
Click to enlarge
PPC Tuning for the Chevrolet Cobalt SS.
Launch control is included in the software! BSR has developed a new automatic launch control for cars equipped with manual transmission. The launch control is fully integrated in the software which is downloaded into the car. The launch rpm is set to 4500 rpm, which makes it easy to make a fast and optimised take-off. The system is active while the car is standing still and is disconnected as soon as the car is moving.
The ordinary rpm limiter is also raised from 6300rpm to 7000 rpm in first and second gear. Speed Limiter stays the same.
Power Figures
Original Stage1
Power: 260Hp
312Hp
Torque: 260FtLbs 323FtLbs
Additional Hardware Required PPC
Stg1
Click for larger
Read More about PPC
For more information, please visit this products webpage.
This product was added to our catalog on Wednesday 20 August, 2008.
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i can believe them not making and stage kits. bc theres been lots of talk that torque is almost maxed.. so if Gm did have some come out they would probably void warranty,, idk about you but i wouldnt buy gm products if they void my warranty... besides look at what hahn has out... and the gains they are showing... not bad numbers
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everybody always "hears things" and thinks their special and have the inside track
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
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I will be keeping mine stock then, till gm comes out with 1, maybe
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...xed-r-d-68685/
Here is a post on a solstice Kappa II program halt
**** U GM IF U DON'T MAKE STAGE KITS
I believe this too, no ones jobs is worth saying if it is or not
I will be keeping mine stock then, till gm comes out with 1, maybe
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...xed-r-d-68685/
Here is a post on a solstice Kappa II program halt
**** U GM IF U DON'T MAKE STAGE KITSeverybody always "hears things" and thinks their special and have the inside track
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
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everybody always "hears things" and thinks their special and have the inside track
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
okay news flash... it's very unlikely anybody on cobaltss.net knows someone high enough up in gm with that kind of decision making power...and the engineers, salesmen, whoever don't even know until the last minute either
Sorry I'm not going to say who my sources are, but I have sources at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, GM's Warren Tech Center even, and even some @ the Ren Cen.
I was told what engine was going into the CTS-V and around how much HP it had well before any of the websites like autoblog, leftlanenews, jalopnik even had info on it.
I also knew what the ZR1 had, and I knew approximately how much HP it was going to have months before it was released. I know how much HP it actually has. It's not 638hp like it's rated, maybe WHP but not @ the crank...
I also knew what engines, HP, mfr peformance stats's and approx pricing for the Camaro, stuff that the car magazines don't even know. Official pricing still hasn't been released, but I was given a very close figure.
information that I know you don't have.
Just trying to give some confirmed information as help on here.
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I only posted on here as a response to the thread topic, and to back up Pete. I don't think I'm special because I know more "inside" information than you do actually.
Sorry I'm not going to say who my sources are, but I have sources at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, GM's Warren Tech Center even, and even some @ the Ren Cen.
I was told what engine was going into the CTS-V and around how much HP it had well before any of the websites like autoblog, leftlanenews, jalopnik even had info on it.
I also knew what the ZR1 had, and I knew approximately how much HP it was going to have months before it was released. I know how much HP it actually has. It's not 638hp like it's rated, maybe WHP but not @ the crank...
I also knew what engines, HP, mfr peformance stats's and approx pricing for the Camaro, stuff that the car magazines don't even know. Official pricing still hasn't been released, but I was given a very close figure.
information that I know you don't have.
Just trying to give some confirmed information as help on here.
Sorry I'm not going to say who my sources are, but I have sources at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, GM's Warren Tech Center even, and even some @ the Ren Cen.
I was told what engine was going into the CTS-V and around how much HP it had well before any of the websites like autoblog, leftlanenews, jalopnik even had info on it.
I also knew what the ZR1 had, and I knew approximately how much HP it was going to have months before it was released. I know how much HP it actually has. It's not 638hp like it's rated, maybe WHP but not @ the crank...
I also knew what engines, HP, mfr peformance stats's and approx pricing for the Camaro, stuff that the car magazines don't even know. Official pricing still hasn't been released, but I was given a very close figure.
information that I know you don't have.
Just trying to give some confirmed information as help on here.
Hello
so are you saying it may come out or may not come out?
Remember this is a MAYBE, not a for sure thing.
Thanks
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I only posted on here as a response to the thread topic, and to back up Pete. I don't think I'm special because I know more "inside" information than you do actually.
Sorry I'm not going to say who my sources are, but I have sources at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, GM's Warren Tech Center even, and even some @ the Ren Cen.
I was told what engine was going into the CTS-V and around how much HP it had well before any of the websites like autoblog, leftlanenews, jalopnik even had info on it.
I also knew what the ZR1 had, and I knew approximately how much HP it was going to have months before it was released. I know how much HP it actually has. It's not 638hp like it's rated, maybe WHP but not @ the crank...
I also knew what engines, HP, mfr peformance stats's and approx pricing for the Camaro, stuff that the car magazines don't even know. Official pricing still hasn't been released, but I was given a very close figure.
information that I know you don't have.
Just trying to give some confirmed information as help on here.
Sorry I'm not going to say who my sources are, but I have sources at the GM Milford Proving Grounds, GM's Warren Tech Center even, and even some @ the Ren Cen.
I was told what engine was going into the CTS-V and around how much HP it had well before any of the websites like autoblog, leftlanenews, jalopnik even had info on it.
I also knew what the ZR1 had, and I knew approximately how much HP it was going to have months before it was released. I know how much HP it actually has. It's not 638hp like it's rated, maybe WHP but not @ the crank...
I also knew what engines, HP, mfr peformance stats's and approx pricing for the Camaro, stuff that the car magazines don't even know. Official pricing still hasn't been released, but I was given a very close figure.
information that I know you don't have.
Just trying to give some confirmed information as help on here.
Oh I worked for a large vehicle manufacturer as a financial analyst, I knew specs, pricing, cost, margin, you name it... But i never knew if it would actually be released or shelved.
Actually, every single department in a corporation knows of projects and specs coming in the future. warranty, qa, sqa, ndp, tooling, jigs & fixtures, purchasing, finance, scheduling, maintenance. They ALL know because they all have a part to play.
But the final decision to release or not release a new offering has and always will rest with the 7+ figure earning executives at the top of the corporation.
So I have no doubt plenty of people have "sources" such as engineers or accontants, but just because, for example, some engineer has been told by his boss to shelve the LNF kits for a while doesn't mean anything at all.
And then when this information is posted on the internet as "I know for a fact LNF kits are shelved" then I just laugh my ass off because I know the source of this information is probably just an engineer etc... and not the corporate CFO who probably will never even hear of cobaltss.net.
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I'm only saying what I know for sure or what I was told that was confirmed by other peoples' sources.
So to the best of my knowledge all I know is that the GMPP Stage Kits won't be coming out this year....
Whether that means they'll be coming out next year or not at all, I couldn't tell you because I don't know...
Ok, I agree with you. Sorry I got a little defensive there... 
Yeah all the info I knew was probably info a lot of employees, engineers had access to.
I'm also saying I don't know anything here for a fact as well. Just to the best of my knowledge and what I heard that was confirmed or compared to what people got from other sources...
Just so we're on the same page...
So to the best of my knowledge all I know is that the GMPP Stage Kits won't be coming out this year....
Whether that means they'll be coming out next year or not at all, I couldn't tell you because I don't know...
Oh I worked for a large vehicle manufacturer as a financial analyst, I knew specs, pricing, cost, margin, you name it... But i never knew if it would actually be released or shelved.
Actually, every single department in a corporation knows of projects and specs coming in the future. warranty, qa, sqa, ndp, tooling, jigs & fixtures, purchasing, finance, scheduling, maintenance. They ALL know because they all have a part to play.
But the final decision to release or not release a new offering has and always will rest with the 7+ figure earning executives at the top of the corporation.
So I have no doubt plenty of people have "sources" such as engineers or accontants, but just because, for example, some engineer has been told by his boss to shelve the LNF kits for a while doesn't mean anything at all.
And then when this information is posted on the internet as "I know for a fact LNF kits are shelved" then I just laugh my ass off because I know the source of this information is probably just an engineer etc... and not the corporate CFO who probably will never even hear of cobaltss.net.
Actually, every single department in a corporation knows of projects and specs coming in the future. warranty, qa, sqa, ndp, tooling, jigs & fixtures, purchasing, finance, scheduling, maintenance. They ALL know because they all have a part to play.
But the final decision to release or not release a new offering has and always will rest with the 7+ figure earning executives at the top of the corporation.
So I have no doubt plenty of people have "sources" such as engineers or accontants, but just because, for example, some engineer has been told by his boss to shelve the LNF kits for a while doesn't mean anything at all.
And then when this information is posted on the internet as "I know for a fact LNF kits are shelved" then I just laugh my ass off because I know the source of this information is probably just an engineer etc... and not the corporate CFO who probably will never even hear of cobaltss.net.
Yeah all the info I knew was probably info a lot of employees, engineers had access to.I'm also saying I don't know anything here for a fact as well. Just to the best of my knowledge and what I heard that was confirmed or compared to what people got from other sources...
Just so we're on the same page...
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Oh I worked for a large vehicle manufacturer as a financial analyst, I knew specs, pricing, cost, margin, you name it... But i never knew if it would actually be released or shelved.
Actually, every single department in a corporation knows of projects and specs coming in the future. warranty, qa, sqa, ndp, tooling, jigs & fixtures, purchasing, finance, scheduling, maintenance. They ALL know because they all have a part to play.
But the final decision to release or not release a new offering has and always will rest with the 7+ figure earning executives at the top of the corporation.
So I have no doubt plenty of people have "sources" such as engineers or accontants, but just because, for example, some engineer has been told by his boss to shelve the LNF kits for a while doesn't mean anything at all.
And then when this information is posted on the internet as "I know for a fact LNF kits are shelved" then I just laugh my ass off because I know the source of this information is probably just an engineer etc... and not the corporate CFO who probably will never even hear of cobaltss.net.
Actually, every single department in a corporation knows of projects and specs coming in the future. warranty, qa, sqa, ndp, tooling, jigs & fixtures, purchasing, finance, scheduling, maintenance. They ALL know because they all have a part to play.
But the final decision to release or not release a new offering has and always will rest with the 7+ figure earning executives at the top of the corporation.
So I have no doubt plenty of people have "sources" such as engineers or accontants, but just because, for example, some engineer has been told by his boss to shelve the LNF kits for a while doesn't mean anything at all.
And then when this information is posted on the internet as "I know for a fact LNF kits are shelved" then I just laugh my ass off because I know the source of this information is probably just an engineer etc... and not the corporate CFO who probably will never even hear of cobaltss.net.
Thanks for this moment of clarity^^^^ it sounds too right
Thanks
I'm only saying what I know for sure or what I was told that was confirmed by other peoples' sources.
So to the best of my knowledge all I know is that the GMPP Stage Kits won't be coming out this year....
Whether that means they'll be coming out next year or not at all, I couldn't tell you because I don't know...
Ok, I agree with you. Sorry I got a little defensive there... Yeah all the info I knew was probably info a lot of employees, engineers had access to.
I'm also saying I don't know anything here for a fact as well. Just to the best of my knowledge and what I heard that was confirmed or compared to what people got from other sources...
Just so we're on the same page...
So to the best of my knowledge all I know is that the GMPP Stage Kits won't be coming out this year....
Whether that means they'll be coming out next year or not at all, I couldn't tell you because I don't know...
Ok, I agree with you. Sorry I got a little defensive there...
Yeah all the info I knew was probably info a lot of employees, engineers had access to.I'm also saying I don't know anything here for a fact as well. Just to the best of my knowledge and what I heard that was confirmed or compared to what people got from other sources...
Just so we're on the same page...
You soung like me, TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE SIR. Thanks
I agree GM is in a money pinch & may hold off on many projects. I will have to wait & see.
Thanks you guys for a very quick repley
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