Tuned SS/TC with a couple bolt on's VS a stock F-body LS1.....is this a legitimate race from a roll and or dig? Me and a couple friends got into a discussion about who would win and i dont know much about LS1 besides the fact that they are beasts.

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From say a 25mph roll, the SS/TC will keep up and possibly pull a half car on the top end. Bone stock LS1's typically trap in the 104~106mph range unless the driver is well above par or the car is a factory freak. With just a tune and a K&N drop in, I trap faster than my Camaro(s) did stock. The C5 I had is the only one that had a similar trap speed in factory form. The only issue with the roll race is the second or so it will take for the turbo to spool up. Unless you're two-footing the gas and the brake on the roll, the LS1 will jump out front instantly. Then, it just becomes a matter of how well you can run it down (if at all).

From a dig, it's not much of a contest (assuming a decent driver). The LS1 should be out in front due to it's RWD drivetrain, better gearing, instant torque, etc. The only way the SS/TC would stand a chance is with a great driver and a set of sticky tires.

 

There was more than 1 version of the LS1. The WS6 models were low to mid 13 second cars with ~5 sec flat to 60. They were trapping around 107-110. If I remember right, the WS6 was the beast of the FBody LS1s (2001-2002). 2002 was the last Firebird/Camaro year. Then the GTO came out in '04 with a 350 hp LS1 that was bumped in HP in '05- then got discontinued-but that was not an Fbody.

So my basic answer is: - an SS could take some models and not take others with a basic tune. Of course, with more severe tuning/mods- you could take more and more LS1s. No matter what you do to an SS, you will have a tough time beating a WS6 to 60 mph, you'll need a 1/4mile to strut your stuff.

 

The GTO wasn't bumped in 05, they got LS2's.

 

i think a tuned ss/tc would outrun a bone stock ls1 in an f body from a roll, especially if it was an auto

 

waiting for the LSx gods to chime in since they will call BS.

 

A tuned SS/TC will get a stock one. Here are two SS/SC Stage 2 vids vs LS1 F-bodies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAy3kt-5XNg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npDn83QoA-8

 

yeah but they both lost is what they will say. That's not really a fair compairson since more power and torque can be had on the turbo over a pulley and tune the supercharged one.

 

Not by much. Point was it was just a Stage 2 SS/SC's. A TC with a tune and bolt-ons will be a decent amount faster.

 

LS1 cameros and firebirds have a 6speed trany correct?

 

A tune with a few boltons should give you the win. You should be pushing around 290+ whp with those mods. From a dig id say forget it, from a 50 roll you should be good

 

The problem I see is finding a stock LS1. I have not seen one in years...lol

 

The fastest LS1s were stripper formulas and Z28s w/ 6 speed. The WS6/SS models had a different catback and the WS6 had a different airbox, but really they didn't make that much more power. The biggest power difference is when the LS1s started being built with the LS6 intake (00 or 01, can't remember exactly), that was good for ~10-15 rwhp over the LS1 intake.

Many versions ended up running mid-low 13s stock with good drivers/traction. I don't think with a good driver in each the Cobalt would have a chance stock for stock. With a tune I don't know though.

very very true

 

mine is stock. I just think its a factory freak

 

A buddy at work has a BONE STOCK black WS6 Trans Am, I've seen under the hood nothing special, he has a factory replacement exhaust cause he rotted off and even with my best run at a 12.9 I have a HELL OF A HARD time with him!!!!! When we leave the line he spins a few times and then hooks like a BITCH and pulls 3 cars before I can find traction. Then I start to reel him in. 1/4 mile we're DAMN CLOSE (coin toss) but give me a liiiiiiiiiiiiittle bit further and he's MINE every time! 1/8 mile forget it! He owns my ass!

 

very very true lol

 

Thanks for clarifying. Sounds like it would be a good race.

As for everything else on earth, there is an 'LS series' engine Wiki.

"The LS1 shares little other than similar displacement, external dimensions, and rod bearings, with its predecessor. It is an all-aluminum 5.7 L (5,665 cc/345.7 cu in) pushrod engine and was rated between 305 - 350 hp (227 to 261 kW) and 335-375 ftˇlbf (454-508 Nˇm) of torque in North America, depending on the application. In Australia, continuous modifications were made to the LS1 engine throughout its lifetime, reaching 382 hp (285 kW) in the HSV's YII series and a Callaway modified version, named C4B, was fitted to HSV GTS models producing 402 hp (300 kW).

The version fitted to the 2004 Pontiac GTO was rated at 350 hp (261 kW) and 365 ftˇlbf (494 Nm) of torque. Beginning in 2001, the LS1 received the higher-flowing intake from the LS6 and a milder camshaft to keep power at the same level; this also allowed GM to remove the exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system (Camaro/Firebird only; 97-00 Corvette LS1 never used an EGR system). The block is very similar to that of the higher-output LS6; beginning in 2002, some LS1 engines were actually built using the LS6 block instead.[citation needed] The LS1 was on the Ward's 10 Best Engines list for 1998."

 

tuned ss t/c u would get him from a roll, not sure about a dig, wit just a tune u should be right behind an ls1 wit full bolt-ons.i have is a tune so i kno i have two buddies wit ls1's with full exhaust, slp intake, one of the has an ls6 manifold plus a tune. and i stayed real close.
this first vid i was more of a rook. wut i kno of he has full exhaust, headers, intake tune
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3YcmobFmZ4

me wit more experience now. wut i kno of he one has an ls6 intake full exhaust, headers, intake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H2Xz4Sd6OE
its towards the end dam stangs and truck wouldnt stop racing.lol

 

Not so true...I'm on my 5th LS1 and still stand by my statements in my original post. Judging by the video posted above, I'd say I was pretty accurate.

 

I don't doubt it would but always haters lurking on the board who have to prove their e-dick is bigger and place baseless mag times and information that points to the opposite..

 

Its CAMARO and they can come equipped with A4's or M6's

My near stock(ie catback only) 98 with 2.73 gears & A4 ran 13.3's@106 so even with crappy gearing they can hold their own on the top end. I've seen stock M6's run 109mph trap speeds.

 

Well the M6 is also about 550hp too so that might have something to do with it.

 

get out you bmw snob, you! don't try any of that german stuff in here


I'm watching you :squint:

 

Is this your purple monkey?