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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:15 PM
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Yea but over the entire year it would add up. I will run race gas before I run E-85 around here anyways. The nearest station for E is like 20 miles away and I can get aviation fuel 5 miles from my house at a little municipal airport... That could be interesting.
Yes it would cost about $200-300 a year extra but it would add about 30 HP. It is up to you but I heard you mention meth and given the choice between meth and E-85 if both are avaliable E-47 blend is the best choice IMHO.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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Yes it would cost about $200-300 a year extra but it would add about 30 HP. It is up to you but I heard you mention meth and given the choice between meth and E-85 if both are avaliable E-47 blend is the best choice IMHO.
Very true... When it becomes more readily available I will hit you up for a tune. I don't want to drive 20 miles out of my way to go mix gas haha. And here I thought my pre-mixing of oil was done when I sold my last 125cc dirtbike... It seems like my mixing days have just begun.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:29 PM
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Very true... When it becomes more readily available I will hit you up for a tune. I don't want to drive 20 miles out of my way to go mix gas haha. And here I thought my pre-mixing of oil was done when I sold my last 125cc dirtbike... It seems like my mixing days have just begun.
The closest E-85 station to me is 67 miles each way out of my way which is why I do not run the stuff myself. They need to put some pumps in near me.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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Yea I know... And it's ironic that California is tightening the vice on the ******* of every car enthusiast with all the smog controls. If everyone ran E-85 it would be so much better for the environment, not that I give a flying rats ass about the whales and **** but I just want more options like E-85 stations near me.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:54 PM
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Yea I know... And it's ironic that California is tightening the vice on the ******* of every car enthusiast with all the smog controls. If everyone ran E-85 it would be so much better for the environment, not that I give a flying rats ass about the whales and **** but I just want more options like E-85 stations near me.
Alcohol burns cleaner and it loves a nice rich (relatively speaking) slow burn (lots of timing). The only downside is an energy content per unit volume that is ~25% less than gasoline so a ~12% loss of fuel economy on E-47 vs gasoline is pretty much the only downside. That and that retarded station near you gouging people.

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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 12:56 PM
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Yea well I drove by that station and the sign there says they are changing ownership... I can't imagine why so I'll have to wait and see if they even carry E-85 after that.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 04:34 PM
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The car is running great. No knock at 24-25 psi and 0.88 lambda even on that cat pee () you guys have for gasoline out there. I added 2* more WOT timing to see if it likes a little more advance.
HMMM..24-25 on **** 91..and you're gonna add more timing and .88 Lamda?
Looks dicy to me.
Just my take. I got my car with it tuned at 21 lbs and aggressive timing and A/F was 12.8 ish. Calif 91 ****. When I took it in for HP Tune, it was knocking and they could hear it. Had to cut back on timing and richen it up to 11.9 for *safety*. Ya I know..they like to run *lean* and advanced..but I got more HP and torque out of the new tune...zero knock.
Just a heads up to the OP.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 04:58 PM
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HMMM..24-25 on **** 91..and you're gonna add more timing and .88 Lamda?
Looks dicy to me.
Just my take. I got my car with it tuned at 21 lbs and aggressive timing and A/F was 12.8 ish. Calif 91 ****. When I took it in for HP Tune, it was knocking and they could hear it. Had to cut back on timing and richen it up to 11.9 for *safety*. Ya I know..they like to run *lean* and advanced..but I got more HP and torque out of the new tune...zero knock.
Just a heads up to the OP.
I trust Term. He is taking it slow over like 5 logs and dialing it in slowly but surely. It kicks ass right now and I'm stoked so it to be finished. I have a dyno day scheduled for Friday morning so I can see some numbers if its done.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
I trust Term. He is taking it slow over like 5 logs and dialing it in slowly but surely. It kicks ass right now and I'm stoked so it to be finished. I have a dyno day scheduled for Friday morning so I can see some numbers if its done.
I'm going to have to differ with you on this one..24-25 HOLDING is on the ragged edge especially with our gas.
Anyway..Dyno should look good. Congrats on install with all the goodies.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 05:26 PM
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Yea thanks for the input though. That's what a forum is all about. It's not like I'm going to be running hard like that all the time anyways. The last 2 days is the hardest I have driven it in a while. Its holding 24psi and I'll keep it like that probably.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 06:48 PM
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I'm going to have to differ with you on this one..24-25 HOLDING is on the ragged edge especially with our gas.
Anyway..Dyno should look good. Congrats on install with all the goodies.
It is doing just fine according to the logs.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ronn
HMMM..24-25 on **** 91..and you're gonna add more timing and .88 Lamda?
Looks dicy to me.
Just my take. I got my car with it tuned at 21 lbs and aggressive timing and A/F was 12.8 ish. Calif 91 ****. When I took it in for HP Tune, it was knocking and they could hear it. Had to cut back on timing and richen it up to 11.9 for *safety*. Ya I know..they like to run *lean* and advanced..but I got more HP and torque out of the new tune...zero knock.
Just a heads up to the OP.
It is not knocking though at 24-25 psi 0.88 lambda and a decent amount of timing. Your car had way too much timing for sure if you had audible knock at 21 psi. If I need to I will richen it a tad to 0.86 lambda but no richer.

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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 06:54 PM
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Ronn you should have Term tune your car... I got HP tuners and we can get your beast dialed in with the quickness.

I'm off to datalog
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Ronn you should have Term tune your car... I got HP tuners and we can get your beast dialed in with the quickness.

I'm off to datalog
I don't have HPT Software to data log. I won't do 24-25 with **** 91..no way Jose.
Anyway, here's my latest with DP and Catback..this time W/O silencer in BLUE LINE. The other two shown are with Silencer. I guess I was WRONG about more low end torque with silencer...VERY WRONG Massive gain in Torque at 2800 RP. Oddly enough, I lost 5 PEAK HP compared to pre-exhuast of 308 HP (not shown here), but did gain 40 Ft Lbs max and 20 Ft lbs peak over pre-exhaust. You can see this on my *Agenct Catback* thread.

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I got HP tuners. We can log with mine and you can borrow my computer or something. The boost can be turned down if you want to stay at 21 psi. Yea the torque will be better without restriction for sure. The torque curve will just max out at a higher RPM. The exhaust can be used to tune the way the motor makes power. On my dirtbikes its very apparent when the exhaust is changed. On a car it isn't as noticeable cuz of the weight of the vehicle. What tune do you have now ronn?
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
I got HP tuners. We can log with mine and you can borrow my computer or something. The boost can be turned down if you want to stay at 21 psi. Yea the torque will be better without restriction for sure. The torque curve will just max out at a higher RPM. The exhaust can be used to tune the way the motor makes power. On my dirtbikes its very apparent when the exhaust is changed. On a car it isn't as noticeable cuz of the weight of the vehicle. What tune do you have now ronn?
HP Tune.

My current DALS:


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BOOST Holds at 20+...then drops to 17.5 at 6000 RPM or so
Don't have chart of Lamdas, but at WOT they are .82..yes richened a bit..but I have ZERO knock.
I had this tune (by Shaun Church..highly regarded) looked at by another highly regarded tuner *Shawn McDee* and he said to leave my tune *AS IS*. So that's enough for me to let this one stand for now. They BOTH felt that **** 91 was just to damn poor for more aggressive tuning.
Appreciate your offer though.
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Old Nov 29, 2010 | 08:38 PM
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Yea dude no worries, the cobalt guys gotta stick together. I'll be pushing the envelope more then. I'll just watch stuff very very closely and make sure that nothing is going wrong.
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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ronn
HP Tune.

My current DALS:


Current Timing:


BOOST Holds at 20+...then drops to 17.5 at 6000 RPM or so
Don't have chart of Lamdas, but at WOT they are .82..yes richened a bit..but I have ZERO knock.
I had this tune (by Shaun Church..highly regarded) looked at by another highly regarded tuner *Shawn McDee* and he said to leave my tune *AS IS*. So that's enough for me to let this one stand for now. They BOTH felt that **** 91 was just to damn poor for more aggressive tuning.
Appreciate your offer though.
I have him at 1-2* less timing than you are running due to the higher boost levels and leaner PE lambda his car is still at 22psi at 6200 in 3rd. He is going to dyno 3 differnt tunes all the same except changes to timing and PE lambda to see which makes the most power on that cat pee you guys have. Ronn, most cars on similar tune settings make 280-285 whp and 330-340 wrtq on a dynojet.

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Old Nov 30, 2010 | 11:03 AM
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Oh ronn also to compare times I am running like 5 seconds flat 60-100 in 3rd gear.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 06:52 PM
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Ok well I got her on the dyno today... It was a mustang dyno so the numbers were a little lower than what would be recorded on a dynojet. I'll be posting up the graphs. I ran 3 times. Each time I used a different tune that Terminator2 made for me. I'll be posting the best graph and the video when I get home from work tonight but for now here is a quick rundown...

310hp and 369 LBS/TQ!!! The tires lost traction on the dyno at about 4500 RPM so the graph looks all funny but it was a bad ass run. It was about 60 degrees today in Oceanside, California. I'm at sea level by the way.

The look on the dyno guy's face was priceless and so was his comment... "Your clutch hates you dude haha."
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369ft/lbs on a mustang??? nice

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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 09:22 PM
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yep... And that's when it lost traction on the dyno so the graph is all funny lookin.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Oh ronn also to compare times I am running like 5 seconds flat 60-100 in 3rd gear.
That's damn fast! more than a second quicker than mine.

Mustang dyno results are at around 10% WHP lower than dyno jet...so you are looking at close to 340 WHP there.
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Old Dec 3, 2010 | 09:39 PM
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Yea I want to run it on a dyno jet just to see what I'm at. That means that I'm pushing 400 lbs/tq too then right? If the mustang dyno reads low? I don't know I'm jsut guessing at this point haha. I'm happy with these numbers though.
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Old Dec 4, 2010 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RyRidesMotox
Ok well I got her on the dyno today... It was a mustang dyno so the numbers were a little lower than what would be recorded on a dynojet. I'll be posting up the graphs. I ran 3 times. Each time I used a different tune that Terminator2 made for me. I'll be posting the best graph and the video when I get home from work tonight but for now here is a quick rundown...

310hp and 369 LBS/TQ!!! The tires lost traction on the dyno at about 4500 RPM so the graph looks all funny but it was a bad ass run. It was about 60 degrees today in Oceanside, California. I'm at sea level by the way.

The look on the dyno guy's face was priceless and so was his comment... "Your clutch hates you dude haha."
Good numbers for sure. Mustang dynos generally read 12-13% lower than a dynojet 310 whp is approx 345-350 whp on a dynojet torque is well over 400 wtrq on a dynojet.
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