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WOW, you are really pretty dense. Anyway to the OP... tune it first you'll be at or above 300whp right there alone!
im getting my tune over the winter..more then likely going with hahn racecraft PPC tuner. would it be just as well to do with there Down pipe?. i was talking to badbalt about running a down pipe and im going to use a catless one. anything i should know about the Hahn one or is there a better one on the market? im after reading about some problems with some cracking and i want to avoid that. dont know if it was a random case or if its a common thing with the ZZPperformance dp.
1badblueberry.............whats the deal with intakes on these? I have an LNF and i have been reading all over the site... all i can find is "they are bad" not to thread jack..... but pop me a PM i wanna learn why not to go with an intake
Im running a ZZP catless as well, almost 10K on it now. I actually looked it over the last time I changed the oil and it still looked great 
+1 on the tune. Really livens the car up nicely!!

+1 on the tune. Really livens the car up nicely!!
well for short....
the maf sensor on this car is very very paticular.... it skews the maf sensor soo bad that it can cause the car to run over 20% too rich over commanded AFR!
I myself ran into the problem.. I made a custom SRI... tuned it... and it was still 20% off. It's just not worth it... the only one that wasn't "tooo bad" was the AEM but it caused other issues like compressor surging at cold starts.
So just keep the stock box, do the airbox mod, drop in a K&N filter and bide your time untill one that works is released or we gain more control over the ECU.
the maf sensor on this car is very very paticular.... it skews the maf sensor soo bad that it can cause the car to run over 20% too rich over commanded AFR!
I myself ran into the problem.. I made a custom SRI... tuned it... and it was still 20% off. It's just not worth it... the only one that wasn't "tooo bad" was the AEM but it caused other issues like compressor surging at cold starts.
So just keep the stock box, do the airbox mod, drop in a K&N filter and bide your time untill one that works is released or we gain more control over the ECU.
Roger 10-4.......... now i just have to find an inter-cooler since the dealer wont cover mine because they believe "a front end impact" broke the inter-cooler.... Ive never hit anything. I'm seriously hating dealerships.... all of them
can anyone post the link to that airbox mod? everytime i try to seach this site just locks up on me
can anyone post the link to that airbox mod? everytime i try to seach this site just locks up on me
Last edited by gdubs; Oct 15, 2009 at 05:36 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
i could of ben mistaken on the name of it but i thought it was ZZP. my bad if it was wrong but i remeber some topic on a guys cracked D/P.
so your saying that tune is not worth the money?? id like to get the GM one but i havent herd nothing on it lately but its not like i have ben looking real hard for it either. i just like the idea of being able to reflash to stock when i have to take it it to the dealer. the goal for now is 300 or a little better and ill just increase it as time goes on it untill its too expensive but there are very few FWD cars in my area that can put down numbers like these cars car
Last edited by Newf_ss; Oct 15, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Roger 10-4.......... now i just have to find an inter-cooler since the dealer wont cover mine because they believe "a front end impact" broke the inter-cooler.... Ive never hit anything. I'm seriously hating dealerships.... all of them
can anyone post the link to that airbox mod? everytime i try to seach this site just locks up on me
can anyone post the link to that airbox mod? everytime i try to seach this site just locks up on me
Link to airbox mod. Hope this helps.
i thought about doing that but i dont want to chop up my airbox. id get a proper intake then do that or even a replacement K&N filer
Lemme ask you this, if a customer came in with an Full turboback exaust and headers, but with the stock box, would he make any more power than the guy that just has a tune? Why?
This doesnt hack up the actual box at all, you modify the snorkel portion. You can also just remove the snorkel portion and get similar results. You will prolly see just a slightly higher rise in IAT when sitting in traffic.
Yes what this car does on a learn down is adjust boost, or throttle position to keep the car at the 260 limited number.
Custom tuning eliminates the learn down feature, allowing us to raise the boost, adjust fuel, timing, yadda yadda... to take full advantage of the power GM gave us.
Now if your trying to say a stock parts TUNED LNF vs. a bolt on TUNED LNF then no the bolt on car will make more power... but it's not changing PRE MAF flow numbers, which is what this car gets pissed about more than anything, followed secondly by atmospheric bovs.
I just did the 3" coupler to move the position of the snorkle... didn't hack up my box at all!
Last edited by 1badBlueberrySC; Oct 16, 2009 at 11:04 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
IF the OP is going to buy parts and get a tune, I suggested that he buy the parts first, Then get the tune to get the power levels he desires.
i know badbalt is on that list and ZZP is definately lol.
Last edited by stagezero; Oct 20, 2009 at 08:47 AM.
I'm sorry you make... 23whp more and 39 wtq less than me! SO your better than you were, but still far from the potential your car should make.
And I'm a loser... I don't think so I just call things how I see them...
And I'm a loser... I don't think so I just call things how I see them...
yes i have the kit and yes the kit is alright and right now im sitting at 380whp/350trq if u have questions please ask me
i think this guy is a loser and dont know what hes talkin about (he knowledgeable but shouldnt be talkin about other peoples car, may not have intended it to be offensive but i tokk it deffensively). i dont think he got the memo that i retuned. and i know a couple that im lower than and i stress a COUPLE! that are ON HERE please let me know how many have more than me please including urself if ur on that list since u wanna say something like that. im assuming u have like 400whp? i dont like bein a dick and im sorry for jumpin on u, but im proud of what i have accoplished so far.
i know badbalt is on that list and ZZP is definately lol.
i think this guy is a loser and dont know what hes talkin about (he knowledgeable but shouldnt be talkin about other peoples car, may not have intended it to be offensive but i tokk it deffensively). i dont think he got the memo that i retuned. and i know a couple that im lower than and i stress a COUPLE! that are ON HERE please let me know how many have more than me please including urself if ur on that list since u wanna say something like that. im assuming u have like 400whp? i dont like bein a dick and im sorry for jumpin on u, but im proud of what i have accoplished so far.
i know badbalt is on that list and ZZP is definately lol.
And dyno's I've seen not counting shop cars, 380whp is the highest.
im goin to pm u not goin to get off topic here.
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