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Thoughts On All Intakes Currently Avaliable For the SS/TC

Old 03-08-2010, 11:48 PM
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no not screen door material.. he's most likely refering to an air strainer type of a screen
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:50 PM
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Show me where to get it and I'll test the **** out of it. I have no problem moding a intake. I just need to get one first.

So I need:

1) Intake - Dejon or Injen to test
2) Silicone Coupler - Vibrant DUH!!
3) Two T-bolt Clamps - Ha! What brands are any good?
4) Air Screen - Need suggestion
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:55 PM
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ya im so f'ing confused as to why no company has used an air straightener on a intake yet. ******* boggles my mind. Thats part of how it was fixed for the 2.3L mzr.
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That wire mesh may work okay.

Here's one built into a MAF used on Vette applications:


http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/Air-I...5f11988dd56d17



Here's another idea... the one used for the MS3: http://www.kstech.biz/servlet/the-14...ghtener/Detail



$11.50

It says it fits 2.75" tubing.
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Originally Posted by wantedSS/TC View Post
Nice write up. this and the downpipe thread need to be merged! and removed of all posts and locked.
Agreed

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Thanks. I ended up accidently creating 3 of these threads because this site is so slow it never loaded the page and I kept clicking on the submit thread button. I got rid of the other threads. This one has some updated info in it as well.
Term first of all great write up. Second of all what do you say you and me write up a tuning thread, I did DP's you did Intakes now with a Tune section we could potentially create a thread called "All You Need to Know About Modding Your SS/TC". Obviously you would be the expert on tuning I would more or less put stuff together and help

A thread that compares the cost, power gains, install difficulty, warranty issues (ease of hiding tune), popped pistons tally, basic principle of how each tune works (canned vs custom) and driveability... of the big tunes out there (PPC, Superchips, GMS1, HP, Trifecta, ZZP).

Let me know what you think, if your interested we can get started whenever.

Just a thought
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by tom.g View Post
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Term first of all great write up. Second of all what do you say you and me write up a tuning thread, I did DP's you did Intakes now with a Tune section we could potentially create a thread called "All You Need to Know About Modding Your SS/TC". Obviously you would be the expert on tuning I would more or less put stuff together and help

A thread that compares the cost, power gains, install difficulty, warranty issues (ease of hiding tune), popped pistons tally, basic principle of how each tune works (canned vs custom) and driveability... of the big tunes out there (PPC, Superchips, GMS1, HP, Trifecta, ZZP).

Let me know what you think, if your interested we can get started whenever.

Just a thought
Sounds like a cool idea. I have lots of info to contribute.
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Old 03-09-2010, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tom.g View Post
Agreed



Term first of all great write up. Second of all what do you say you and me write up a tuning thread, I did DP's you did Intakes now with a Tune section we could potentially create a thread called "All You Need to Know About Modding Your SS/TC". Obviously you would be the expert on tuning I would more or less put stuff together and help

A thread that compares the cost, power gains, install difficulty, warranty issues (ease of hiding tune), popped pistons tally, basic principle of how each tune works (canned vs custom) and driveability... of the big tunes out there (PPC, Superchips, GMS1, HP, Trifecta, ZZP).

Let me know what you think, if your interested we can get started whenever.

Just a thought
there already is one from BYT. It's in depth and detailed pretty well. It's a good starting point for a lot of novice tuners.
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Originally Posted by Stamina View Post
That wire mesh may work okay.

Here's one built into a MAF used on Vette applications:


http://www.c5racer.com/catalog/Air-I...5f11988dd56d17



Here's another idea... the one used for the MS3: http://www.kstech.biz/servlet/the-14...ghtener/Detail



$11.50

It says it fits 2.75" tubing.
The honeycomb one looks like it would work the best. The factory MAF has a channel like the second picture to help, well channel, the air over the sensor itself, but it is not very effective at straightning turbulant air. That is why the K&N drop ins skew the sensor 5-12% even though the stock airbox and MAF location are still being used. Honeycomb straightners flow very well so there would be no loss in performance. In fact, it would be better because the airflow over the sensor would be much more consistant which would result in much better throttle response.

Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO View Post
345 is still not 360+ And as stated previously, I wouldnt be so hung up on numbers if it was within an acceptable margin. Not to mention now it says 24psi is teh latest tune when Blueberry dyno'd your tune at 22 to get those numbers you are claiming. End the debate, post the graph already

And Im hung up on numbers? You brought up numbers with my 60-100 times yet you ignore my question about how my dense air could make my car faster yet I dont come close in whp to you? Any thoughts on that one?


And I agree on the Cmiller front. We're throwing a 24-25psi tune on it now and 11.7-11.8 def seems attainable!
Correction factors make a 5% difference on there own. too Did your car make 253ish whp on that dynojet stock? My car made 253 whp 247 wrtq stock STD 242 whp 237 wrtq SAE stock. The 345 whp 375 wrtq was STD corrected 333 whp 360 wtrq SAE. Here is the 345 whp dyno sheet.



Ignore the A/F. Leaded race gas tainted sniffer LOL. Scanner never showed richer than 0.844 lambda This was at 21-22 psi 0.86 lambda and 15* of timing. Dejon SRI, DP, CPs, CB, IC. 3rd gear pulls. Never used 4th for any of my runs.

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Originally Posted by wantedSS/TC View Post
there already is one from BYT. It's in depth and detailed pretty well. It's a good starting point for a lot of novice tuners.
But it's on the HPT forum, right?
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Originally Posted by Iam Broke View Post
But it's on the HPT forum, right?
Yep.
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Originally Posted by wantedSS/TC View Post
there already is one from BYT. It's in depth and detailed pretty well. It's a good starting point for a lot of novice tuners.
Not a thread on how to tune, just a thread comparing all of the tunes out there and basically the pro's and con's of each, except with a lot of detail. There is a new GMS1, Trifecta or HP thread poping up everyday asking the same questions.
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It's on here in the Tuning section.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO View Post
It's on here in the Tuning section.
Did you see one of the dyno graps you had asked for in my post above? That was 0.86 lambda and 15* of timing.
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That's your old one that even in your thread says tuned by you and someone else, and it's shy about 20whp of your claims...Not to mention how amazing that whp number is with .86 lambda and only 15* timing..
Ill bet it's that HAPPY HAPPY dyno http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...XMX78p22mGod5g

https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/show...30&postcount=6




https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/tuning-131/lnf-tuning-basics-w-hptuners-183251/
Thats the tuning guide.

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Old 03-09-2010, 11:39 AM
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I was working on my buddies Saab 9-3 turbo yesterday and he had a honeycomb style straightener just prior to his MAF, the diameter is the same as the start of our intake elbow. I think a Saab straightener could be rigged in place...
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I was working on my buddies Saab 9-3 turbo yesterday and he had a honeycomb style straightener just prior to his MAF, the diameter is the same as the start of our intake elbow. I think a Saab straightener could be rigged in place...
Maybe we could grab the part number for that then and start looking into it.

Nice catch.
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I concur with the honey comb, one shop used it on the ms3 with great results.

here is what the CPE and cobb look like, this is the cpe sri:


Also AEM who made the MAzdaspeed 3 intake, sells a insert like stamina posted, that just drops into the intake tube infront of the maf.
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Originally Posted by Stamina View Post
Maybe we could grab the part number for that then and start looking into it.

Nice catch.
That would be ideal. Hopefully it is about the right diameter. It could be made to fit though. unless it is too small.
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I like the honeycomb airflow straightener the best idea compare to the AEM version for the mazdaspeed. Just don't know if the part itself will fix all the problems that doesn't require a tune for an aftermarket CAI.
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Most likely not, but tuning it will be better and the readings will be more accurate.
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I like the honeycomb airflow straightener the best idea compare to the AEM version for the mazdaspeed. Just don't know if the part itself will fix all the problems that doesn't require a tune for an aftermarket CAI.
It will make tuning easier and will also allow the car to runs a ton better even without tuning because the fuel trims will be more consistant so the A/F will not be bouncing around as much.
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It just occured to me that some friends of mine got their hands on a newer copy of Alldata, including the TCs and such. I'll see if they could look up the part for the 9-3.
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probably the first time in 4 months that css has had useful information besides bench racing and bickering.
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