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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 08:19 PM
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I picked up 41hp @ the wheels and 73tq @ the wheels with Stage I.

check out the link in my sig for my dyno graph.


Thats with the Stage kit and a Dejon SRI only. And the warranty is important to me because I just pulled the motor and tranny out of my Vette, so I dont want to waste money breaking something on the Cobalt which is my DD.
Why are people still worrying about warranty, I've been to dealerships with my trifecta tune, just throw the stockers back on like the intake or w.e. and ur good to go. Pocket the 600 and get something more worthy then just a shitty stage 1 tune, just saying.
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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And how is the Stage 1 shitty? That seems like a pretty ignorant statement. Have you been in a Stage 1 car? To me the gains are plenty for what I need out of my DD.


And yah youve been to the dealership with your trifecta...big deal. What have you been in for? If you have a serious issue they may very well start sniffing around to see why your motor gave out...
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOnBlackSS
Why are people still worrying about warranty, I've been to dealerships with my trifecta tune, just throw the stockers back on like the intake or w.e. and ur good to go. Pocket the 600 and get something more worthy then just a shitty stage 1 tune, just saying.

Why are people still worrying about warranty?? It's because you don't have to pay $4600 for a tranny rebuilt/issue just before the warranty ran out..Thank God I still had warranty and it was not a GM, bought used.
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 80vetteL82
And how is the Stage 1 shitty? That seems like a pretty ignorant statement. Have you been in a Stage 1 car? To me the gains are plenty for what I need out of my DD.
Compared to a trifecta tune at half the price I dont think the gms1 is worth it at all, I mean Im sure it pulls but why ride a donkey when you can ride a seabiscuit?
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:06 PM
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Because its my DD and my seabiscuit will be my 383stroker pushing 500hp/tq. I feel more comfortable knowing Im completely covered if anything goes wrong. To me voiding your warranty with an aftermarket tune and then having something break and getting it fixed for free when you know you dont deserve it is as good as stealing. Just my opinion. GM knows what this motor is meant to handle, so if you purposely push it further than that and then break it why should they fix it?
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 80vetteL82
Because its my DD and my seabiscuit will be my 383stroker pushing 500hp/tq. I feel more comfortable knowing Im completely covered if anything goes wrong. To me voiding your warranty with an aftermarket tune and then having something break and getting it fixed for free when you know you dont deserve it is as good as stealing. Just my opinion. GM knows what this motor is meant to handle, so if you purposely push it further than that and then break it why should they fix it?
I guess to each of his own then, all im saying is the tune is undetectable by the GM techs so thats why I have it, besides the dealers scam people all the time, why shouldnt they get a dose of their own medicine once in a great moon.
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 10:59 PM
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I don't get why everyone doesn't just get trifecta. The tune is hidden and if your really concerned that gm will detect your tune than get a second pcm for 125 bucks that you can upload the trifecta tune on and keep your stock pcm somewhere safe in case something happens.
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Old Dec 7, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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Saddle up and make a hike down to TEXAS for a SUPERMAN TUNE! You will be more than impressed! Youll run all over a Trifecta and Gmstg1 tuned car.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 12:02 AM
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Saddle up and make a hike down to TEXAS for a SUPERMAN TUNE! You will be more than impressed! Youll run all over a Trifecta and Gmstg1 tuned car.
Dude I heard about that tune and the terminator tune also, are they safe and how can i get one im from mass, sounds promising enough

Originally Posted by blackss2.0
I don't get why everyone doesn't just get trifecta. The tune is hidden and if your really concerned that gm will detect your tune than get a second pcm for 125 bucks that you can upload the trifecta tune on and keep your stock pcm somewhere safe in case something happens.
Exactly what i've been trying to prove for a while. For 600 bucks that thing better make my car suck my junk.

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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 05:55 PM
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[QUOTE=BlackOnBlackSS;4510252]QUOTE]Dude I heard about that tune and the terminator tune also, are they safe and how can i get one im from mass, sounds promising enough

Superman's tune is. I havnt heard anything about the terminator one yet. I am running the superman tune and love it. with a cold air intake and down pipe i can pull on about 80% of the cars on the road. I love listening to the old guys in vetts pull up to you at the light and go "damn.... uhhh is that a uhhh a uhh are you running nitrous? What... whats in that thing?" lol but i have been running a superman tune for about 4500 miles with no probs. Not to mention the extra work and effort he puts into dialing everything in just right.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by blackss2.0
I don't get why everyone doesn't just get trifecta. The tune is hidden and if your really concerned that gm will detect your tune than get a second pcm for 125 bucks that you can upload the trifecta tune on and keep your stock pcm somewhere safe in case something happens.
Because that isnt true... LOL. If they dig, they will find a TF hidden tune still.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:17 PM
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This seems like the right place to pose this question...I've kinda asked before, but I'm hoping somebody has an answer.
I have the stg1 and love it. For daily driving I don't need anything more. I autoX and the stage 1 is already too much power and I have more issues handling the power than anything else. However, I also go to the track and run the 1/4 mile and I'd def like some sick times. So, I want the best of all worlds.
Tell me this, can I get a tune like the Superman tune or the BYT tune where I get up to 400whp but still have it be switchable and hidden like the Trifecta tune? Or could Vince perhaps give me a super Trifecta tune that'd get me close to 400whp but still be hidden and switchable. I don't want to drive around all day with that much power, but there are times when I'd love to have it.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BYT*SS*TURBO
Because that isnt true... LOL. If they dig, they will find a TF hidden tune still.
haha ur funny half the dealers dont even know ss/tcs we're made, let alone trifecta tunning or any kind of software, besides who would go out of their way to press the competitive mode button just to guess theres some kind of a tune hidden.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:26 PM
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^^Around here it's the same way. I brought mine in for the charge pipe recall (when I had stock pipe) and they looked at me like, "WTF are even talking about?"
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:31 PM
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I love being corrected that its supercharged everywhere i look for parts. Tires, rims, oil, headlight bulbs....... . even at the dealers for the first 6-12months lol. And they will argue to the death sometimes like im completely retarded damn canadian tire employees.
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by austinss
^^Around here it's the same way. I brought mine in for the charge pipe recall (when I had stock pipe) and they looked at me like, "WTF are even talking about?"
Lol I think we're safe for a couple of years, when chevy cruze comes out the cobalts will be history let alone ss/tcs
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackOnBlackSS
Why are people still worrying about warranty, I've been to dealerships with my trifecta tune, just throw the stockers back on like the intake or w.e. and ur good to go. Pocket the 600 and get something more worthy then just a shitty stage 1 tune, just saying.
i love hoe people say when going to dealer just go back to stock. like im gonna take an intake off and reconnect stock airbox, and unbolt a turboback exhaust and put stock on,yada, yada, no way man, just come with what ya got, not worth the hassle of switching parts
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Old Dec 8, 2009 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cresintern
i love hoe people say when going to dealer just go back to stock. like im gonna take an intake off and reconnect stock airbox, and unbolt a turboback exhaust and put stock on,yada, yada, no way man, just come with what ya got, not worth the hassle of switching parts
To each of his own I guess, I have a dp and an intake, an hour at most to swap back on.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by slapbetcommissioner
I love being corrected that its supercharged everywhere i look for parts. Tires, rims, oil, headlight bulbs....... . even at the dealers for the first 6-12months lol. And they will argue to the death sometimes like im completely retarded damn canadian tire employees.
You too? I should seriously start a thread on "what my dealership said when I called about stage 1 for the TC"....cause my co-workers were absolutely busting themselves laughing over the conversation .
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 11:40 AM
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People need to quit telling others to get a tune on top of the GM kit. No one has shown any evidence that it is better than just a tune alone. I have asked and posted about it with no avail. Until the proof comes out that a tune with the GM is better than just a tune alone, just decide you want to keep your warranty or not.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 11:49 AM
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trifecta FTW

Originally Posted by BlackOnBlackSS
haha ur funny half the dealers dont even know ss/tcs we're made, let alone trifecta tunning or any kind of software, besides who would go out of their way to press the competitive mode button just to guess theres some kind of a tune hidden.

I find they do not know **** about the car until it breaks and then they come up with all this so called knowledge about a voided warrenty

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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Chandler
People need to quit telling others to get a tune on top of the GM kit. No one has shown any evidence that it is better than just a tune alone. I have asked and posted about it with no avail. Until the proof comes out that a tune with the GM is better than just a tune alone, just decide you want to keep your warranty or not.
People seriously don't comprehend what the GMS1 sensors are for, they jus see "sensor" and "2 bar" and assume that means better. Long story short if anyone's tune pushes the boost limit into 2-bar range (30psi-44psi range) which is what these sensors are, they may as well put a bomb in their cylinder head and detonate it. The rings/seals aren't going to take it, the turbo's not going to take it and the drivetrain in general will prematurely fail I'm sure.

The sensors are there merely so the GMS1 tune has that additional "dead zone" in the sensor to diagnose misreads from the MAP or TMAP and nothing more. People are reporting 21/22 PSI on the GMS1 tune, the stock sensors can read that perfectly fine but they chose the updated sensors for diagnostic purposes. If you're not going with the GMS1 tune I really see no reason to get the GMS1 parts installed, the cost is the tune itself (R&D) not the sensors. The only advantage I see to this is installing the sensors, flashing the ECM and then using that as your baseline for Trifecta/HP Tuners to tune on top of.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 12:27 PM
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Best of all worlds would be to first do any other mods you are planning on before the tune. Have Superman write you a tune for the maximum amount of power your car can make or that you want. Then buy the AEM Boost controller from ZZP or Modernperformance.com. With the boost controller you can set your max boost to say 15psi for daily driving, 17-18psi for auto x, and up it to what ever you perfer for the drag strip. It can be adjusted on the fly by just pusshing a button so it pretty simple. Thats how i will be setting my car up soon.

Originally Posted by tglems
This seems like the right place to pose this question...I've kinda asked before, but I'm hoping somebody has an answer.
I have the stg1 and love it. For daily driving I don't need anything more. I autoX and the stage 1 is already too much power and I have more issues handling the power than anything else. However, I also go to the track and run the 1/4 mile and I'd def like some sick times. So, I want the best of all worlds.
Tell me this, can I get a tune like the Superman tune or the BYT tune where I get up to 400whp but still have it be switchable and hidden like the Trifecta tune? Or could Vince perhaps give me a super Trifecta tune that'd get me close to 400whp but still be hidden and switchable. I don't want to drive around all day with that much power, but there are times when I'd love to have it.
Best of all worlds would be to first do any other mods you are planning on before the tune. Have Superman write you a tune for the maximum amount of power your car can make or that you want. Then buy the AEM Boost controller from ZZP or Modernperformance.com. With the boost controller you can set your max boost to say 15psi for daily driving, 17-18psi for auto x, and up it to what ever you perfer for the drag strip. It can be adjusted on the fly by just pusshing a button so it pretty simple. Thats how i will be setting my car up soon.
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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 01:44 PM
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Saddle up and make a hike down to TEXAS for a SUPERMAN TUNE! You will be more than impressed! Youll run all over a Trifecta and Gmstg1 tuned car.
is this an infomercial?



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You too? I should seriously start a thread on "what my dealership said when I called about stage 1 for the TC"....cause my co-workers were absolutely busting themselves laughing over the conversation .
that is gold.
3 dealers i walked into looked at me sideways when i said 4 door SS with the LNF

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Old Dec 9, 2009 | 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Hugger1975
that is gold.
3 dealers i walked into looked at me sideways when i said 4 door SS with the LNF
Long story short, they thought I was asking for one of the following:
  1. A turbo upgrade for my Supercharged
  2. An upgrade for my Supercharged (ie. the SC stage kits)
  3. An upgrade to the turbo I had "installed" in my supercharged
Did you know they installed this kit in a Cobalt a couple years ago....that's pretty good considering the tune came out just over a month ago. You get the idea . As much as I laugh about it, the fact GM service departments are clueless as to what vehicles GM is putting out to market is absolutely disgusting....they need to be trained and educated. How am I supposed to have any faith the issue will be fixed when they don't even know what the hell they're working on .

I'm installing this kit myself end of story. I may be new to working on cars but I gotta learn sometime .
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