trifecta or gm stage 1
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Terminator2,
you need to read my post closely. I stated none of my 300 plus customers have ever reported any issues, espeically not broken pistons, mis-firing or any engine failure of any kind.
You have admittedly learned about tuning from the help of friends and other tuners. You yourself are not a professional tuneror engineer of any type.
The info you post is your oppinion only. Unless you can provide some un-disputable proof of problems which have directly resulted from TriFecta tuning, stop posting. I find it so un-believable that none of the owners of these "mystery cars" with problems ever join in on the threads. Heck, everyone else in the world on any and all forums post their good and bad experiences about pretty much any and every modification, product, service they have purchased for their cars. Yet the owners of the cars with broken pistons can't seem to find their way to this forum? Why are YOU the only one posting about these problems? It's funny because you yourself have never purchased or used a TriFecta tune.
Get off the bad Air/Fuel ratio bandwagon. It's redundant, old, used-up and worn-out. How many times are you going to kick the horse?
Vince is capable of so much more than ANY other tuner. Thus the changes he makes within the PCM are beyond your ability to even access let alone make changes to. HIS chosen air/fuel ratio is proprietary to HIS tune. What don't you understand about that? I know you want to know how, just like every other tuner using HP Tuners software. But this information is exclusive to Vince and TriFecta. It will NOT be shared or explained to you or anyone else.
Write your own software language so you can access the PCM in the same way as TriFecta and you can make changes to the other areas as well. Until then, be happy with the limited tuning you are capable of doing with HP Tuners software and stop attacking TriFecta.
Yes, it is an attack. Your blatant statements in the prior pages are "liable". And those very statements are grounds for legal action if you continue.
In closing, thanks for constantly keeping TriFecta in the lime-light. Every couple months when you begin your TriFecta bashing, we see a jump in sales. Why you may wonder? because the fact is, no one but you, and you are not even a TriFecta customer, have any problems with the tune. Members do their reserch and find the same thing i find; happy TriFecta customers, great service from them and their dealers, some of the fastest cars in the community and NO problems reported, except of course by one member only, "Terminator2".
I will not argue with you any further. Instead i will record your comments and save them to a file along with the "liable" statements from prior pages, posts and threads.
Merry Christmas.
you need to read my post closely. I stated none of my 300 plus customers have ever reported any issues, espeically not broken pistons, mis-firing or any engine failure of any kind.
You have admittedly learned about tuning from the help of friends and other tuners. You yourself are not a professional tuneror engineer of any type.
The info you post is your oppinion only. Unless you can provide some un-disputable proof of problems which have directly resulted from TriFecta tuning, stop posting. I find it so un-believable that none of the owners of these "mystery cars" with problems ever join in on the threads. Heck, everyone else in the world on any and all forums post their good and bad experiences about pretty much any and every modification, product, service they have purchased for their cars. Yet the owners of the cars with broken pistons can't seem to find their way to this forum? Why are YOU the only one posting about these problems? It's funny because you yourself have never purchased or used a TriFecta tune.
Get off the bad Air/Fuel ratio bandwagon. It's redundant, old, used-up and worn-out. How many times are you going to kick the horse?
Vince is capable of so much more than ANY other tuner. Thus the changes he makes within the PCM are beyond your ability to even access let alone make changes to. HIS chosen air/fuel ratio is proprietary to HIS tune. What don't you understand about that? I know you want to know how, just like every other tuner using HP Tuners software. But this information is exclusive to Vince and TriFecta. It will NOT be shared or explained to you or anyone else.
Write your own software language so you can access the PCM in the same way as TriFecta and you can make changes to the other areas as well. Until then, be happy with the limited tuning you are capable of doing with HP Tuners software and stop attacking TriFecta.
Yes, it is an attack. Your blatant statements in the prior pages are "liable". And those very statements are grounds for legal action if you continue.
In closing, thanks for constantly keeping TriFecta in the lime-light. Every couple months when you begin your TriFecta bashing, we see a jump in sales. Why you may wonder? because the fact is, no one but you, and you are not even a TriFecta customer, have any problems with the tune. Members do their reserch and find the same thing i find; happy TriFecta customers, great service from them and their dealers, some of the fastest cars in the community and NO problems reported, except of course by one member only, "Terminator2".
I will not argue with you any further. Instead i will record your comments and save them to a file along with the "liable" statements from prior pages, posts and threads.
Merry Christmas.
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Terminator2,
you need to read my post closely. I stated none of my 300 plus customers have ever reported any issues, espeically not broken pistons, mis-firing or any engine failure of any kind.
You have admittedly learned about tuning from the help of friends and other tuners. You yourself are not a professional tuneror engineer of any type.
The info you post is your oppinion only. Unless you can provide some un-disputable proof of problems which have directly resulted from TriFecta tuning, stop posting. I find it so un-believable that none of the owners of these "mystery cars" with problems ever join in on the threads. Heck, everyone else in the world on any and all forums post their good and bad experiences about pretty much any and every modification, product, service they have purchased for their cars. Yet the owners of the cars with broken pistons can't seem to find their way to this forum? Why are YOU the only one posting about these problems? It's funny because you yourself have never purchased or used a TriFecta tune.
Get off the bad Air/Fuel ratio bandwagon. It's redundant, old, used-up and worn-out. How many times are you going to kick the horse?
Vince is capable of so much more than ANY other tuner. Thus the changes he makes within the PCM are beyond your ability to even access let alone make changes to. HIS chosen air/fuel ratio is proprietary to HIS tune. What don't you understand about that? I know you want to know how, just like every other tuner using HP Tuners software. But this information is exclusive to Vince and TriFecta. It will NOT be shared or explained to you or anyone else.
Write your own software language so you can access the PCM in the same way as TriFecta and you can make changes to the other areas as well. Until then, be happy with the limited tuning you are capable of doing with HP Tuners software and stop attacking TriFecta.
Yes, it is an attack. Your blatant statements in the prior pages are "liable". And those very statements are grounds for legal action if you continue.
In closing, thanks for constantly keeping TriFecta in the lime-light. Every couple months when you begin your TriFecta bashing, we see a jump in sales. Why you may wonder? because the fact is, no one but you, and you are not even a TriFecta customer, have any problems with the tune. Members do their reserch and find the same thing i find; happy TriFecta customers, great service from them and their dealers, some of the fastest cars in the community and NO problems reported, except of course by one member only, "Terminator2".
I will not argue with you any further. Instead i will record your comments and save them to a file along with the "liable" statements from prior pages, posts and threads.
Merry Christmas.
you need to read my post closely. I stated none of my 300 plus customers have ever reported any issues, espeically not broken pistons, mis-firing or any engine failure of any kind.
You have admittedly learned about tuning from the help of friends and other tuners. You yourself are not a professional tuneror engineer of any type.
The info you post is your oppinion only. Unless you can provide some un-disputable proof of problems which have directly resulted from TriFecta tuning, stop posting. I find it so un-believable that none of the owners of these "mystery cars" with problems ever join in on the threads. Heck, everyone else in the world on any and all forums post their good and bad experiences about pretty much any and every modification, product, service they have purchased for their cars. Yet the owners of the cars with broken pistons can't seem to find their way to this forum? Why are YOU the only one posting about these problems? It's funny because you yourself have never purchased or used a TriFecta tune.
Get off the bad Air/Fuel ratio bandwagon. It's redundant, old, used-up and worn-out. How many times are you going to kick the horse?
Vince is capable of so much more than ANY other tuner. Thus the changes he makes within the PCM are beyond your ability to even access let alone make changes to. HIS chosen air/fuel ratio is proprietary to HIS tune. What don't you understand about that? I know you want to know how, just like every other tuner using HP Tuners software. But this information is exclusive to Vince and TriFecta. It will NOT be shared or explained to you or anyone else.
Write your own software language so you can access the PCM in the same way as TriFecta and you can make changes to the other areas as well. Until then, be happy with the limited tuning you are capable of doing with HP Tuners software and stop attacking TriFecta.
Yes, it is an attack. Your blatant statements in the prior pages are "liable". And those very statements are grounds for legal action if you continue.
In closing, thanks for constantly keeping TriFecta in the lime-light. Every couple months when you begin your TriFecta bashing, we see a jump in sales. Why you may wonder? because the fact is, no one but you, and you are not even a TriFecta customer, have any problems with the tune. Members do their reserch and find the same thing i find; happy TriFecta customers, great service from them and their dealers, some of the fastest cars in the community and NO problems reported, except of course by one member only, "Terminator2".
I will not argue with you any further. Instead i will record your comments and save them to a file along with the "liable" statements from prior pages, posts and threads.
Merry Christmas.
Last edited by Terminator2; Dec 24, 2009 at 07:53 PM.
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Vince does not need to come here for any reason as I am the exclusive distributor for Tri-Fecta Performance tunes in the Cobalt community. I pay to advertise here.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
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Vince does not need to come here for any reason as I am the exclusive distributor for Tri-Fecta Performance tunes in the Cobalt community. I pay to advertise here.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/piston-ring-failure-lots-pics-inside-lnf-196631/. Stamina, Cardelino18 and pt5457Balt. Sherm420 also had major issues with his car. I know him personally and his car was running great and then as soon as he got Trifecta's tune it started running terribly rich even with the stock intake (we originally thought it was his Hahn intake causing issues). I was there when his car made only 246 whp with an A/F of 10.7-9.8. It made the same amont of power on his stock ECM. He definately reported his problem to Vince I know that for a fact. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/trifecta-tune-169281/
Last edited by Terminator2; Dec 24, 2009 at 08:40 PM.
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Ask and ye shall receive. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=198279
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=196631. Stamina, Cardelino18 and pt5457Balt. Sherm420 also had major issues with his car. I know him personally and his car was running great and then as soon as he got Trifecta's tune it started running terribly rich even with the stock intake (we originally thought it was his Hahn intake causing issues). I was there when his car made only 246 whp with an A/F of 10.7-9.8. It made the same amont of power on his stock ECM. He definately reported his problem to Vince I know that for a fact. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169281
https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=196631. Stamina, Cardelino18 and pt5457Balt. Sherm420 also had major issues with his car. I know him personally and his car was running great and then as soon as he got Trifecta's tune it started running terribly rich even with the stock intake (we originally thought it was his Hahn intake causing issues). I was there when his car made only 246 whp with an A/F of 10.7-9.8. It made the same amont of power on his stock ECM. He definately reported his problem to Vince I know that for a fact. https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/showthread.php?t=169281
You and I have discussed this before on this forum.
First of all, I have emails and PM's from Brian telling me matter of factly his car had mis-fire problems BONE STOCK! He has had it to the dealer roughly 7 times and they have not been able to figure out the problem. So don't you dare try to blame the problems on TriFecta. Vince actually sent several tunes to him, one specifically with YOUR air/fuel ratio specs. Brian said, and I'll quote him: "of all the tunes I tried, the original TriFecta tune ran the best and made the most power.". Vince offered to check the pcm but Brian never shipped it to him. So we'll move on to the threads you posted.
In the "black/white smoke!!! help!!!" thread, nowhere does it say the problems the owner is having are from the tune. in fact, he doesn't know what the problem is yet or the cause. So let's move on to the next thread you posted:
"Piston Ring Failure (lots of pics of inside an LNF)"
I read every page and every post. Here's what stuck out like a sore thumb. The thread starts with this:
For those who don't know, I recently had a piston ring give out on my SS/TC. The cause was ruled a manufacturing fault and the dealer was outstanding about it, being honest about the cause despite my aftermarket parts and treating me very well. Definately buying there again.
The sad thing is I rarely use the tune. I drive 90-95% in stock tune. A local tuner and I logged the crap out of the tune two times, spending a couple hours each time. I've got logs, but they're pretty much knock-free. I wonder if the stock tune could be the culprit. It seems at partial throttle in some places and WOT stock tunes have been shown to knock sometimes. Maybe we need to poll classic Trifecta tuned people (the ones where it's always on) and see if they've been having any trouble. I may want to go log my stock tune now too as I don't think I've done that.
I know but it might take it for a little while for it to actually go boom. Knock that severe would be clearly audible though and would be very damaging over time. I dont care for the stock tune at all because it is not safe at all IMHO. It knocks on the good 93 octane here in Florida I can only imagine what it would do on the lovely 91 octane they have in California that acts like 89 octane.
In all the posts above, as well as several others, Tri-Fecta was NEVER mentioned as the cause. In fact, if the tune was the cause, it seems over-whelmingly to be the stock tune. But, since the fault was determined to be a manufacturing problem, by you even mentioning this thread, it is blatantly clear YOU are attempting to blame TriFecta. Completely un-founded, un-substantiated and an absolute attack on TriFecta.
You really need to quit while you're ahead. Because every single time you mention TriFecta in a negative manner, every time you try to shed doubt on TriFecta, every time you reach for the stars and try to blame TriFecta, you are getting closer and closer to legal issues.
Any member who takes the time to follow this thread will clearly see you as a hypocrit who obviously has it out for TriFecta.
Enough said...
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You wanted proof of these people with these issues and I gave proof now I am done with this. I gave you what you said I did not have and yet you still deny everything.
Why?
Why?
Last edited by Terminator2; Dec 25, 2009 at 11:28 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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i didnt say who though
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The GM stage kit has the OS and sensors to handle big future builds without having to resort to map clamps or other methods of tricking the ECM. I might be installing it in my own car and tuning on top of it but I have a source for the sensors and I can do a write entire with the stage tune file and be up and running.
I think you have another prospective buyer I just sent you a PM Dan!
Vince does not need to come here for any reason as I am the exclusive distributor for Tri-Fecta Performance tunes in the Cobalt community. I pay to advertise here.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
As a distributor and supporting vendor here, I am responsible for marketing, customer support, up-dates, etc. In defending TriFecta I am defending my own interest as his distributor and as a supporting vendor here.
Apparently you don't have a law degree either because unless you can back-up your claims/statements, with proof, not just oppinion, you are in the wrong.
Now you are publicly calling me a liar. (Your exact words). Let me say it one more time in as simple terms as I can for you:
NONE OF MY 300 PLUS TRI-FECTA TUNE CUSTOMERS HAVE EVER NOTIFIED ME OF ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE TUNE OR OF ANY PROBLEMS DIRECTLY RESULTING FROM THE TUNE.
This is not my opinion, this is absolute fact.
So unless you are invisible and coming in to answer my phones and talking to customers about problem tunes, you can NOT speak for me or my customers. So stop trying!
Since you seem to have all the info on these "mystery cars" with problems, why don't you get the owners of the cars to post for themselves? Why do they need you to post for them?
I'll go ahead and use your own words against you:
"I would rather discuss this with them because they are the customers with the problems not you. Why do you find it your place to always defend them as if they can't. They can come on here just as easily and speak for themselves."
Instead you would rather have Vince get on here so you can attack him directly.
Show us the problems you keep elluding to...
DONE
P.S. Another tune order just came in. And Vince just left a few hours ago after tuning another HHR for us WITHOUT problems. Thanks again for the advertisement opportunity.
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you can COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZE your trifecta tune. set redlines/rev limiters, boost psi, anything you can and want to do vince will do. i bought the cables so retunes are free whenever i want. but the cables, 200 bucks. its worth it. so TOTAL i paid about 520 bucks. vince is great with customer service and everything. think about it, 300 for trifecta, and then you can get a bolt on or springs and STILL spend less than gm stage kit. plus gm stage kit isnt that much of a difference. nobody warrants **** anyway GM is pretty stingy. up to you in the end, but they havent found my tune. if your trying to have a peppy daily driver and be modest id say stick with the GM kit but if you wana rip someones face off id say go aftermarket. ive never driven or riddin in a car with a stage kit i liked. but its all preference. if your hell bent on the warranty definately go gm but if you are like eh, you wont regret trifecta. plus you get a nice free sticker for your wall i mean whats not to like? yes i know im CAPS happy. go to trifectas website and give vince a call or email, just listen to what hes got to say. cant hurt. best of luck
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you can COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZE your trifecta tune. set redlines/rev limiters, boost psi, anything you can and want to do vince will do. i bought the cables so retunes are free whenever i want. but the cables, 200 bucks. its worth it. so TOTAL i paid about 520 bucks. vince is great with customer service and everything. think about it, 300 for trifecta, and then you can get a bolt on or springs and STILL spend less than gm stage kit. plus gm stage kit isnt that much of a difference. nobody warrants **** anyway GM is pretty stingy. up to you in the end, but they havent found my tune. if your trying to have a peppy daily driver and be modest id say stick with the GM kit but if you wana rip someones face off id say go aftermarket. ive never driven or riddin in a car with a stage kit i liked. but its all preference. if your hell bent on the warranty definately go gm but if you are like eh, you wont regret trifecta. plus you get a nice free sticker for your wall i mean whats not to like? yes i know im CAPS happy. go to trifectas website and give vince a call or email, just listen to what hes got to say. cant hurt. best of luck
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I would not be loving those dyno numbers there. I know all dynos read differently but unless your car put down only 200 whp stock on that dyno your gains stink. No offense intended to you. If your car put down only 200 whp stock on that dyno than I appologize.
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I have a sky first of all. I have drive train loss, and skys have lower power than cobalts from all the info I have read. Also read my tag, when I finish the clutch I will re dyno. Should pick up some more peake hp. On this dyno my gains were 40hp and 80tq. That's average. That's on a slipping clutch.
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Yes we use HPT.Dyno tune is $400 Street or flash tune is $300A/F is 14.7 under WOT its 11.8-12.0 [factory is 12.5] Dyno is a mustang You will feel a night and day difference on the street ...
this is what a hp tuner replied to me with when I asked about a hp tune and a/f ratio's .
term, sounds like he may also tune somewhat rich up top? perhaps trifecta tune has somewhat the same ratios as hp tune??
this is what a hp tuner replied to me with when I asked about a hp tune and a/f ratio's .
term, sounds like he may also tune somewhat rich up top? perhaps trifecta tune has somewhat the same ratios as hp tune??
A/f
[QUOTE=ClearImageAuto Dan;4552815]You're kidding me right? Let's start with Sherm420 - Brian:
You and I have discussed this before on this forum.
First of all, I have emails and PM's from Brian telling me matter of factly his car had mis-fire problems BONE STOCK! He has had it to the dealer roughly 7 times and they have not been able to figure out the problem. So don't you dare try to blame the problems on TriFecta. Vince actually sent several tunes to him, one specifically with YOUR air/fuel ratio specs. Brian said, and I'll quote him: "of all the tunes I tried, the original TriFecta tune ran the best and made the most power.". Vince offered to check the pcm but Brian never shipped it to him. So we'll move on to the threads you posted.
In the "black/white smoke!!! help!!!" thread, nowhere does it say the problems the owner is having are from the tune. in fact, he doesn't know what the problem is yet or the cause. So let's move on to the next thread you posted:
"Piston Ring Failure (lots of pics of inside an LNF)"
I read every page and every post. Here's what stuck out like a sore thumb. The thread starts with this:
How ironic you clearly state the stock tune "knocks like crazy" and "excessive knock will cause cracking".
Here you are offering YOUR non expert opinion.
Overboost not air/fuel was pointed out.
Your words again about "stock cars".
Your words again referring to the stock tune.
In all the posts above, as well as several others, Tri-Fecta was NEVER mentioned as the cause. In fact, if the tune was the cause, it seems over-whelmingly to be the stock tune. But, since the fault was determined to be a manufacturing problem, by you even mentioning this thread, it is blatantly clear YOU are attempting to blame TriFecta. Completely un-founded, un-substantiated and an absolute attack on TriFecta.
You really need to quit while you're ahead. Because every single time you mention TriFecta in a negative manner, every time you try to shed doubt on TriFecta, every time you reach for the stars and try to blame TriFecta, you are getting closer and closer to legal issues.
Any member who takes the time to follow this thread will clearly see you as a hypocrit who obviously has it out for TriFecta.
Enough said...[/QUOTE
I have been racing for over 40 years and after hearing both sides of the story I will have to side with Dan and Vince. There is no reason anyone who mods their car with tunes shouldnt be able to do data logs and or check their plugs to see how the car is running. If you dont like the way the car runs send in a log and get it adjusted. Im still learning on the LNF but I allready do my own OBD2 scans and real time data logging. I would rather run slightly rich as opposed to lean anytime on the tune. If your going to spend all that cash on mods and then get a tune you should at least know a little bit about your car and powertrain. It dosnt hurt to learn to read your plugs also.
09 SSTC Rally Yellow Dejon SRI and Hot piping, Crazy Steves intercooler , Dejon cold piping , Hahn DP ,Janetty 3 inch exhaust , OTTP stage 2 mounts , Ingalls Stiffy , Trifecta Infinaboost dual tune. Top speed (observed ) 155. Best ET 12.6 112 MPH 2.10 60 ft Best 60 ft 1.88
You and I have discussed this before on this forum.
First of all, I have emails and PM's from Brian telling me matter of factly his car had mis-fire problems BONE STOCK! He has had it to the dealer roughly 7 times and they have not been able to figure out the problem. So don't you dare try to blame the problems on TriFecta. Vince actually sent several tunes to him, one specifically with YOUR air/fuel ratio specs. Brian said, and I'll quote him: "of all the tunes I tried, the original TriFecta tune ran the best and made the most power.". Vince offered to check the pcm but Brian never shipped it to him. So we'll move on to the threads you posted.
In the "black/white smoke!!! help!!!" thread, nowhere does it say the problems the owner is having are from the tune. in fact, he doesn't know what the problem is yet or the cause. So let's move on to the next thread you posted:
"Piston Ring Failure (lots of pics of inside an LNF)"
I read every page and every post. Here's what stuck out like a sore thumb. The thread starts with this:
How ironic you clearly state the stock tune "knocks like crazy" and "excessive knock will cause cracking".
Here you are offering YOUR non expert opinion.
Overboost not air/fuel was pointed out.
Your words again about "stock cars".
Your words again referring to the stock tune.
In all the posts above, as well as several others, Tri-Fecta was NEVER mentioned as the cause. In fact, if the tune was the cause, it seems over-whelmingly to be the stock tune. But, since the fault was determined to be a manufacturing problem, by you even mentioning this thread, it is blatantly clear YOU are attempting to blame TriFecta. Completely un-founded, un-substantiated and an absolute attack on TriFecta.
You really need to quit while you're ahead. Because every single time you mention TriFecta in a negative manner, every time you try to shed doubt on TriFecta, every time you reach for the stars and try to blame TriFecta, you are getting closer and closer to legal issues.
Any member who takes the time to follow this thread will clearly see you as a hypocrit who obviously has it out for TriFecta.
Enough said...[/QUOTE
I have been racing for over 40 years and after hearing both sides of the story I will have to side with Dan and Vince. There is no reason anyone who mods their car with tunes shouldnt be able to do data logs and or check their plugs to see how the car is running. If you dont like the way the car runs send in a log and get it adjusted. Im still learning on the LNF but I allready do my own OBD2 scans and real time data logging. I would rather run slightly rich as opposed to lean anytime on the tune. If your going to spend all that cash on mods and then get a tune you should at least know a little bit about your car and powertrain. It dosnt hurt to learn to read your plugs also.
09 SSTC Rally Yellow Dejon SRI and Hot piping, Crazy Steves intercooler , Dejon cold piping , Hahn DP ,Janetty 3 inch exhaust , OTTP stage 2 mounts , Ingalls Stiffy , Trifecta Infinaboost dual tune. Top speed (observed ) 155. Best ET 12.6 112 MPH 2.10 60 ft Best 60 ft 1.88
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Yes we use HPT.Dyno tune is $400 Street or flash tune is $300A/F is 14.7 under WOT its 11.8-12.0 [factory is 12.5] Dyno is a mustang You will feel a night and day difference on the street ...
this is what a hp tuner replied to me with when I asked about a hp tune and a/f ratio's .
term, sounds like he may also tune somewhat rich up top? perhaps trifecta tune has somewhat the same ratios as hp tune??
this is what a hp tuner replied to me with when I asked about a hp tune and a/f ratio's .
term, sounds like he may also tune somewhat rich up top? perhaps trifecta tune has somewhat the same ratios as hp tune??
I have a sky first of all. I have drive train loss, and skys have lower power than cobalts from all the info I have read. Also read my tag, when I finish the clutch I will re dyno. Should pick up some more peake hp. On this dyno my gains were 40hp and 80tq. That's average. That's on a slipping clutch.
Mine did not start slipping until 375 wtrq. I have been told that the Kappas have better clutches but I guess not. 40 whp is an ok gain. Still missing at least another 20-25 whp there at 22 psi though. RWD looses a little more through the driveline but only a few percent.
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This thread is full of 
It's simple if you want power, look at the highest trapping LNF's. HPTuners. Friend of mine even w/ my simple LNF tweaking with 21-22 pulled on a 26psi boosting Trifecta car. That was with only 156 min of messing with the tune. Tuned the Tirfecta car with HPT and he admitted it pulled harder and was now even with my friend. That was all the proof I needed.
Vince is a HIGHLY intelligent man, I'm not discrediting his programming knowledge.
It's simple if you want power, look at the highest trapping LNF's. HPTuners. Friend of mine even w/ my simple LNF tweaking with 21-22 pulled on a 26psi boosting Trifecta car. That was with only 156 min of messing with the tune. Tuned the Tirfecta car with HPT and he admitted it pulled harder and was now even with my friend. That was all the proof I needed.
Vince is a HIGHLY intelligent man, I'm not discrediting his programming knowledge.
really news to me, i pmed him to make sure i was remembering correctly. will correct my statement if found to be wrong with an apology, if i'm right it stays.
