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Old 11-23-2008, 12:17 PM
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voiding waranty

If we change our intercooler,dp, ex, do we void our waranty?

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Old 11-23-2008, 12:25 PM
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They can't void your warranty for having it on there, BUT they can void your warranty if the said part is what caused the failure.
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RBC is correct... they have to prove that the new parts cause the problem...
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Can the parts i mentionned cause failure on the car?
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Abusing your car, ie. racing, also affects your warranty.
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Originally Posted by coby-ss
Can the parts i mentionned cause failure on the car?
if installed incorrectly or dont work once installed - yes
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do u guys know if their is shop installing them in quebec,canada? how can i find them? asking the dealer?
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I wouldn't see how a DP/exhaust could void it. Now, a dealership could probably get away with voiding it for the aftermarket intercooler, even though it wouldn't hurt to throw one on unless it's a piece of junk.
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Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

For our purposes the law basically states that you have a right to use after market, non-OEM parts on your vehicle and still retain the factory warranty. However, if there is a failure and the manufacturer can show that the failure was caused by the aftermarket part, they can deny coverage.

The important thing is that your dealer cannot VOID your entire warranty just because the part is on the vehicle. There have been cases where a dealer would tell a customer that their new vehicle had no warranty because it had an after market exhaust or other part. Granted, the exhaust or other part is not covered, however the rest of the vehicle is still under the normal warranty.

Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that after market equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...#Magnuson-Moss

http://www.pt-tuning.com/policies/Magn-Moss-Act.html
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Originally Posted by Black SS/SC 06
Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act

For our purposes the law basically states that you have a right to use after market, non-OEM parts on your vehicle and still retain the factory warranty. However, if there is a failure and the manufacturer can show that the failure was caused by the aftermarket part, they can deny coverage.

The important thing is that your dealer cannot VOID your entire warranty just because the part is on the vehicle. There have been cases where a dealer would tell a customer that their new vehicle had no warranty because it had an after market exhaust or other part. Granted, the exhaust or other part is not covered, however the rest of the vehicle is still under the normal warranty.

Under Magnusson-Moss Act a dealer must prove, not just vocalize, that after market equipment caused the need for repairs before they can deny warranty coverage. If they cannot prove such claim-or offer an explanation- it is your legal right to demand compliance with the warranty. The Federal Trade Commission (202.326.3128) administers the Magnusson-Moss Act and monitors compliance with warranty law.

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/busi...#Magnuson-Moss

http://www.pt-tuning.com/policies/Magn-Moss-Act.html
I really hope i'm wrong but there could be some difference in the USA vs CND policy......kinda like USA got the RPD and CND somehow didn't.
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I really hope i'm wrong but there could be some difference in the USA vs CND policy......kinda like USA got the RPD and CND somehow didn't.
Im not sure about Canada
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Originally Posted by Black SS/SC 06
Im not sure about Canada
lol ain't that always the case
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This site might have the answer. I dont want to create an account to find out though. http://www.justanswer.com/questions/...-moss-act-1975

Originally Posted by 1WhiteSSTC
lol ain't that always the case
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Originally Posted by Black SS/SC 06
This site might have the answer. I dont want to create an account to find out though. http://www.justanswer.com/questions/...-moss-act-1975



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lol it's ok, i know how it is
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Here is my way of thinking.....

All they gotta do is claim abuse and your warranty is gone.

Putting aftermarket parts on the SS/TC IS NOT going to GAIN ANYTHING unless you tune for it. And it has already been stated, that the bosch ecu in the ss/tc is a tattle tale ecu and that there is no way around GM or a dealership to not know that you played with the ECU. GM said they were voiding any cars with modified ecu's.

So....if you put the parts on, you are still going to make the rated 260/260 unless you tune, and if you tune, then you can kiss your warranty goodbye.

Yet another reason to buy an LSJ. LOL. Bring on the hate.

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Originally Posted by ralliartist
Here is my way of thinking.....

All they gotta do is claim abuse and your warranty is gone.

Putting aftermarket parts on the SS/TC IS NOT going to GAIN ANYTHING unless you tune for it. And it has already been stated, that the bosch ecu in the ss/tc is a tattle tale ecu and that there is no way around GM or a dealership to not know that you played with the ECU. GM said they were voiding any cars with modified ecu's.

So....if you put the parts on, you are still going to make the rated 260/260 unless you tune, and if you tune, then you can kiss your warranty goodbye.

Yet another reason to buy an LSJ. LOL. Bring on the hate.
how's your warrenty with mods huh?? best ss/tc 1/4 mile time being stock was 13.6, how many mods u got?
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
Here is my way of thinking.....

All they gotta do is claim abuse and your warranty is gone.

Putting aftermarket parts on the SS/TC IS NOT going to GAIN ANYTHING unless you tune for it. And it has already been stated, that the bosch ecu in the ss/tc is a tattle tale ecu and that there is no way around GM or a dealership to not know that you played with the ECU. GM said they were voiding any cars with modified ecu's.

So....if you put the parts on, you are still going to make the rated 260/260 unless you tune, and if you tune, then you can kiss your warranty goodbye.

Yet another reason to buy an LSJ. LOL. Bring on the hate.
They have to prove the abuse. Of course they may have the money to fight it out until you give up.
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canada has no anti void law bullshit it sux..same with no lemon law other wise i woulda filed for that long time ago lol
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Originally Posted by 1WhiteSSTC
how's your warrenty with mods huh?? best ss/tc 1/4 mile time being stock was 13.6, how many mods u got?
I'd like to see you get somewhat close to that. Try a 13 before you start on me.

And I love it when the clueless try attacking me.

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They have to prove the abuse. Of course they may have the money to fight it out until you give up.
no they don't. slightly lower tread on the front compared to the rear tires is plenty reason to call abuse. Or even just hearing that you were at a track racing it they can call abuse.

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Originally Posted by ralliartist
I'd like to see you get somewhat close to that. Try a 13 before you start on me.

And I love it when the clueless try attacking me.
i wasn't saying it had ANYTHING to do with me, i was stating your modded ss/sc (MODDED key word when talking about voided warrenty huh?) VS the stock ss/tc which the best time has gotten a 13.6...........don't get butt hurt and ffs, give up on attacking my signature ppl, it's ummm as old as time itself now ok? thx, drive thru pls
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I'm not butt hurt. I know for a fact a stock ss/tc doesn't keep up even close. lol. No matter who is driving.
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
I'm not butt hurt. I know for a fact a stock ss/tc doesn't keep up even close. lol. No matter who is driving.
so a 13.2 vs a 13.6 isn't a close race at all then? sure ok then.........dood, just u know, step away from the soapbox ok? your not God.
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no, it's not. lol. and I wouldn't run a 13.2 anymore. That was on a conservative tune and oversized slicks. I'm pretty sure it's not a fun race for a ss/tc. Local ss/tc's would know.

and like I said, in your case, 14.4 isn't anywhere near 13.2
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Originally Posted by ralliartist
no, it's not. lol. and I wouldn't run a 13.2 anymore. That was on a conservative tune and oversized slicks. I'm pretty sure it's not a fun race for a ss/tc. Local ss/tc's would know.
u have 13.2 posted on your sig and i have 14.4 on my sig, u attacked mine, i attack yours, end of arguement, nobody wins, back to topic cause i'm sick of fighting with random ppl on css.net who think they are better than everyone else.
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to me if I see an upgraded intercooler and turbo back exhaust, your not doing it for "sound", your doing it for added performance which would lead me to believe your romping on the car. reason enough for them to void a warrenty.


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