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ZZP LNF Turbo Upgrade- First Dyno Session

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Old 10-30-2009, 10:46 AM
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Thanks for the better graph. 360lb tq at 3800rpm is damn nice.
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And its all on a Mustang dyno. I love it.
Old 10-30-2009, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by damien
Once again, you're confusing 06black with 06blackg85ss.
Sorry. My bad again.
Can I see the 586WHP 502TQ dyno though? link?
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Originally Posted by Zooomer
Sorry. My bad again.
Can I see the 586WHP 502TQ dyno though? link?
I believe Matt has seen it but not 100% sure.
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zzp are you guys gonna be putting the wiseco pitons on the car ??
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Matt, how do you think a LSJ would spool it? I'd imagine on a non ported head maybe a little later, 4200?
Old 10-30-2009, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by damien
Matt, how do you think a LSJ would spool it? I'd imagine on a non ported head maybe a little later, 4200?
Without the advantage of direct injection and variable cams, I would expect this turbo to spool 300-400RPM later.

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nice numbers! when do we get track videos?
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Hopefully in a couple weeks, but end of the year race days are often canceled up here in Michigan.
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:00 PM
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I agree! Time to drive south.... We need to see this thing run!
Old 10-30-2009, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by marcusicp
I agree! Time to drive south.... We need to see this thing run!
x2!!! It was 75* outside today in TN, well atleast where I live. Too bad tomorrow it's only supposed to be like 55*, but still better than 30* and snow.
Old 10-30-2009, 10:32 PM
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*cough* http://www.munciedragway.com/

or http://www.us41dragway.com/index.php?page=schedule

*cough*
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Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC
Matt will be having a 30R to compare to soon. I will hopefully be up there to get my valve springs installed in the near future.

I'm quoting my post again since it got skipped by.


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zzp are you guys gonna be putting the wiseco pitons on the car ??
I'm sure they would be. I have a set that has been coated and sitting here for the past 5 months. Waiting to take it to a respectable place with a reasonable price.
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will this kit come with some kind of programming. or am i going to be forced to learn hp tuners?
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Originally Posted by 08BlackSS/TC
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Matt will be having a 30R to compare to soon. I will hopefully be up there to get my valve springs installed in the near future.
Sounds good. Hopefully we will have more of our LNF upgrades ready to sell by then.

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will this kit come with some kind of programming. or am i going to be forced to learn hp tuners?
We have a lot of work to do before we can start selling this kit, but I will keep plugging away at it. Once complete, you should not need to have your own tuner.

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Old 10-31-2009, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt M
Yup, no cage in it. I'm not sure if I will cage it. Maybe down the road, but it seems too new to be doing that.

The dyno vid turned out like crap because the sound is just a bunch of hiss. I took a short vid from inside the car while spooling the turbo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAlWDLG1how

Who thinks I just try this and dump the clutch?
My friend has souped up 500+whp cobra, ran 10.9 or so and he installed a few pieces of metal in has car that takes like 10 minutes to assemble and make it look like a roll cage. Disassembles in like seconds too. Where in new york do you run, lebanon?
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Originally Posted by Deadman
can someone link me to the fuel issue thread? Also Matt can you elaborate more on the fueling system? This is still using DI short ass injection windows right ? lol (obviously when you can push more psi im guessing you are shoving a lot more fuel in to that small window now)
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https://www.cobaltss.net/forums/2-0l-lnf-performance-tech-153/lnf-fueling-issue-192508/

there you goes
matt messages in on 2-3 page i forget which.
lots of good insight though.
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Originally Posted by BlackOnBlackSS
Where in new york do you run, lebanon?
Me? I'm in Michigan, but went to NY for a wedding and to pick up a race car last week.
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We headed out to Milan Dragway yesterday to see what we could get out of this setup. While the car launches great and shifts great, we are still battling a lot of torque management issues. I have a low and high boost switch in this car, with low boost set at 16psi.

For the first pass, I ran 16psi in 1st and hit the high boost as soon as I shifted to 2nd. Unfoprtunately, with the high boost set at 24psi, it blew the tires off and pretty much ruined the pass. I think it was a 12.00 at 122.

For the 2nd pass, I set the high boost to 20psi and hit the switch in 3rd. This resulted in a 11.76 at 123 and change. With a 1.72 sixty foot and a 123 trap speed, I would expect an ET closer to 11.50, however the ECM felt the need to keep the throttle at 50% for about 2 seconds after each shift.

For the 3rd pass, I decided to no-lift-shift to keep the throttle open. Unfortunately, the ECM was still angry at me and decided to spoil the fun again. With serious bogging due to low throttle percantages after each shift, I ran another 11.76 at 123. With a 1.70 sixty foot and clean, quick no-lift-shifts, we should be looking at an 11.3, which would great at only 20psi. Maybe next time...

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I browsed through the thread and may have missed it, but has the fuel pressure mod/part been added to the ZZP site yet?

My car is currently at a shop with the motor out for some upgrades, and i'd love to get this part/mod done before getting it back in the car.
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love the track times The yellow slip on the left, what did you race? must have been RWD. he got the launch on you but then you started catching up fast! lol.
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very nice guys, I think I have the throttle thing completely figured out now, just need to run one more test on my friends car when we get the new trans in.
As far as I've seen in all my logs throttle doesnt ever leave 100% anymore, even on regular non WOT shifts.
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Originally Posted by pt5457balt
I browsed through the thread and may have missed it, but has the fuel pressure mod/part been added to the ZZP site yet?

My car is currently at a shop with the motor out for some upgrades, and i'd love to get this part/mod done before getting it back in the car.
We don't have these parts available yet. We are working on plug n play options and trying to keep the cost down.
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Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss
very nice guys, I think I have the throttle thing completely figured out now, just need to run one more test on my friends car when we get the new trans in.
As far as I've seen in all my logs throttle doesnt ever leave 100% anymore, even on regular non WOT shifts.
how muchof a pita has that been to figure out?if ur test prove solid you gonna share your findings?
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Originally Posted by 06blackg85ss
very nice guys, I think I have the throttle thing completely figured out now, just need to run one more test on my friends car when we get the new trans in.
As far as I've seen in all my logs throttle doesnt ever leave 100% anymore, even on regular non WOT shifts.
It doesn't give us any issues on the street. I beat the crap out of this car on Saturday without any problems. Racing at the track is a different story. However, I think I know why it was going into such a conservative mode. The last couple times we raced this car, we started doing 2nd gear burnouts. Around that time, it started bogging bad on the launch as it would not allow any boost. We worked around this temporarily by restarting the car after the burnout. Since the computer does not have any boost control on this car right now, I thought it would be fine. Now I'm thinking that it is still going into a more conservative mode after doing an 8k rpm 2nd gear burnout. I wish I had tried restarting the car after the burnout at least once yesterday. Anyway, here's a couple vids-

11.76- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cltHSoTS_Xg

12.0 on low boost- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faFp4wLWC_k
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it wasn't really that bad, just a stupid table overlooked by most. Plagued us for a few months though til I figured it out.
I'd share, but I'm not 1000% positive yet, until I get a new trans in the car though, I can't post up results.
I'll see what I can post up later from the logs I already have.
(and ZZP I'd be more than willing to share this info with ya, maybe in exchange for some fuel pressure info lol.) As I said, just want to run one more test on the sucker, probably be another 3 weeks until I can get the car driving again as it won't be running the f35 anymore.
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Nice track times! Can't wait to see what happens when you get the throttle to stay open! Kepp up the good work ZZP.


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