because its a feat to be achieved by every "4 banger" owner that WANTS to beat LS1, camaros, goats, and all that other happy v8 bullshit...not to diss of these cars but if a little LSJ can keep up, if not beat one of those performance machines then i'd say thats pretty impressive coming stock from the factory....**** tonight i raced a camaro tonight with a v8, with an exhaust, intake, pulleys and a lighter flywheel....he had about a car length on me from a dig then after that throughout 2nd i started pulling away from him....so in my opinion and im sure others have similar...i think building a "4 banger" monster is fun and very attainable from what i have seen so far...but think whatever you want to think....and one day when you get your ass handed to you by a "4 banger" then you can come back and flame about how bad the LSJ is for performance and how building the LSJ is so pointless....oh and first time at the track....14.9@98.64 smoking the tires through first with only an intake and exhaust....so i'd say running above 15s for the rest of the time that i have this car....is complete bullshit

 

I'd say he got



LOL

 

why would you buy a v6 mustang? that's like paying for a hooker that dosn't put out.

 

True true, I have the turbo Ecotec B205 and i just ran 296fwhp... stock internals, but with modded cams, more aggresive cam gears, a definite PCM reflash, and injectors of course... Just check my sig for my mods

 

Also, I don't know about a lot of you guys, but when every 3rd car I pass on the road is a camaro or mustang, it gets a little old. I like having something that is quick in it's own right and doesn't look like everything else on the road. Oh, yeah, and is cheaper than your 4.0 mustang.....and faster....whoops.

 

I never even brought up my car and i never said your car was slow. I know your car is faster than mine stock for stock, but i do know that my car in fact is cheaper even if its not by much. I bought my car because personally, i liked it better than the ss/sc and yes i had the chance to buy one. I was in no way trying to diss your car, i was just stating the obvious. A fwd 4 cylinder car is going to be far harder to get into 10's than then say a rwd car which he had previously. After reading many of your posts i have come to realize that you guys are most of you guys are just ass holes that cant take any comment that could be taken negatively in any way (some of you actually use this forum the way it is meant to be used). Forums are not made to make you feel good, they are made to share information, which i was doing and i am sorry if you took it the wrong way.

 

Hmm that is an interesting comment. the problem is many of the times i have seen from the ss/sc owners here have been high 14's. I ran a 14.91 stock, so apparently, you are just barely putting out at all.

 

WOW! you guys seriously need to settle down. I completely understand building up a 4 banger, i had a mazdaspeed protege as my first car, but AGAIN i was just saying that using a 4 cyl fwd car is going to cost more money and time to get into 10's. You guys are sooooo damn defensive, but if you really have the money to make a 10 second cobalt, be my guest

 

Whats your point????

 

How many people have ran 12s???


Also to some other people if I remember right there isn't any parts on the LSJ motor that can go all the way up to 1400hp.

 

alright you know what guys, i am seeing that you are taking my comment completely the wrong way so i am going to restate it.



A fwd 4 cyl car will be much harder to get into 11's or below than your previous car would have been. That's all i was trying to say.

 

this thread is getting ridiculous. a typical muscle car vs import battle.

obviously there are some ignorant morons in this topic that just felt the need to push everyone off topic. why a 4 banger? cuz it's fun to whomp on more expensive cars while driving a 4 banger. it's a preference. some ppl prefer to dish out money for a badass v8 (or more) that can rape other cars as well.

as for the ss/sc cobalt not being a performance car.... im not even going to waste my time on that comment. i'll just sum that up with "ignorant and stupid"..... but everyone is entitled to their opinion of a 'perfomance car'. certainly not a super fast racer (stock), but a very good base that beats most cars in it's class.

and to be on topic. im actually VERY surprised that no one here has pushed through the 300hp mark. the car is capable. ..... im sure it will happen soon. (especially with some whipple swapped or twincharched balts)

 

i dont understand why we have ppl from other forums and other cars that are flaming our cars, these cars are only 3 years old at most and som people on here still want their warente, i personally dont give a rats @$$ on how bad your mustang or SRT-4 or your WRX (no offence meant to anyone) can beat my 2.0l Ecotec, congratz on your 5.0 or whatever you speant money on a gas hog, i dont care what you think our car is capable of, if you want to flame go to a honda forum or something, i was a die hard ford guy untill i looked at my local gas stations board and read 3.00 for reg unleaded, we enjoy our cars and im sure you enjoy your cars, ifour cars are soooo bad why have i seen a cobalt ss s/c stomp the hell out of the 5.0 and cobras in the not so distant past?... im sorry if i have offended someone in this post but personally i think most of the flamers need to go back to high school..... rant over.

 

ok once again i was in no way, shape, or form trying to flame the cobalt. If you are taking it that way please completely disregard that post because that is not the way it was meant to be taken.

 

It comes down to nobody likes people talking bad about their car and MOST people can't stand hearing the truth about their cars.

Facts are...

The cobalt has A LOT going for it especially the motor, but in terms of other sport compacts it is falling behind. IMO it is due to almost everyone WAITING on GM's stage kits. Also the ricer presence is great here, from the roll racers, to people spouting off numbers that aren't theirs, to thinking the Cobalt is greater then it actually is.

Please everyone read this slowly and carefully. I like the Cobalts and this site, but I know where the Cobalt is right now on the 'car' chain or grand scheme of things, it is too bad that all the owners don't know this too.

And yeah in conclusion be humble.

 

You have 4.45?! stock is 4.05. how did the install go? what is 1st like now? I bet second is even more of a bear LOL.

 

I( have slips. I lost to a stage 1 SRT-4 consistently trapping 2mph slower than it. I also had a race with a mustang GT where I lost by .130 of a second. I watched that mustang for the rest of the day. he was able to turn out a 14.2. when we ran it was 14.7 (not his best run). I am completely stock and so was he. I think my car could go a bit quicker (with a better driver), but I did pretty good for my first time out. Stage 2 makes it a real contender against the mustang GT and for 23,000 CDN that is great in my books. BTW this is my daily driver and I was going for gas mileage. this car handles and can be made to go pretty quick for not much money. and if you can risk your engine you can get into the 12's. I plan on making my car super reliable. the pistons have got to go. over 500HP is the goal and what ever that gets me at the track will do. I know I would have fun with a mustang, and nothing beats displacement for HP. I think I am humble and I know my car will surprise a few more expensive cars with it performance.

just curious though - How far can you build up a 5.0L safely until it will not have longevity?

 

for reference. i was not refering to your comments.

you have a head on your shoulders

ppl on these forums do need to realize that there are cars other than a cobalt that are fast. it's quite funny to see die-hard cobalt fans that are ignorant, but it's about time that topics are made saying "lost to an 06 mustang"... not "i raped this v8 hahahahhaha"

im all for 4 banger performance, it's just some ppl dont have an open mind, yet they call other drivers with v8's closed minded.

btw, i hate to be this off topic. this should really be in a new thread. the guy just asked a simple question.

 

I paid to have it done, although I wish I would have had the time/space to do it myself. Just wasn't in the cards and I was anxious to get it in. It wasn't cheap...but for me...it was well worth it.

The increase in final drive puts you in higher RPMs at a faster rate. You hit your powerband much faster than stock. First is REALLY quick and yes...2nd is a bear, but DAMN is it fun from there!!! I wouldn't recommend doing it without the Stage II though...specifically for the redline increase...since it is a quick shift from 1st to 2nd...and bumping the rev limiter sucks!

I have got to make plans sometime soon to get it to the dyno and the track...just to see what numbers I can put down. It's one thing to KNOW that it's faster, but everyone wants to see the numbers (and rightfully so) to back it up.

As for the rest of this thread, I see we still have a bunch of people that are missing the point. Yes, it's much easier and cheaper to bump up a V8...more of a market since it's been out longer. Yes you will spend some money to get some serious push out of our 4s. Yes...the car is relatively new so there isn't much of a market for it and yes GM is behind in delivering the stage kits.

However, that being said, we CAN get more out of our 4s if we are willing to spend the dough for it. Gm Tuner Source has the info you need. If you haven't read through that, don't try to say what we can or can't do with our 4s.

Why go through the trouble and expense? One simple reason...there is no greater satisfaction than taking a "simple little 4-banger", especially one that LOOKS stock, whooping up on the larger V8s, and seeing their expression when they have their @$$ handed to them by a "simple little 4-banger", especially when it's done WITHOUT the bottle. Personally, I LOVE being in an under-rated car. It makes the victories that much sweeter.

But...to each their own.

 

The point is that the dyno curve is almost flat the dyno guy told me he had never seen such a flat torque curve on a car let alone a 4 cylinder and he does dyno events every week here in palm beach.

 

then he obviously hasn't dynoed Big Block cars...

I think most of all 4 pages was preaching to the choir. From owning a car from both world (see sig) you are comparing aple to hmmm ice cream? lol

and who da heck cares who makes what fast? so it ain't your cup of tee, who asked ya? maybe to them it makes no sens to mod v8 cars that suck gas to no avail...heck, my dad doesn't get it why I must have 600+hp in my hotrod!

 

A cobalt would hand your shitty mustang it's ass any day of the week. Your question is retarded. I see ecotec drag cars now how many v6 stang draggers are there??? You say we're dicks we say you're a dumb ass. The forums are being used for what they are supposed to stop saying they're not so we won't "pick on you".

 

Dude Look It up>>>>You come in Questioning & want us to defend!
If you are so damn Good! You should Know that the Build book For Gm Has been out for awhile!
Yes there are 5 cars on the front Stock to 1400 HP >>>>>>>>>>>>LOOK IT UP!

& Your right they arent on the Car! But stock internals are forged & good according to gm for 300+Hp! (Fact)
Oh & the guy that ran 12s Posted>> He also made the Program, So get over it<< YOU OVER PAID & YES>> US 4 BANGING POSERS ARE THAT FAST!


Even a GooD Captain Knows When His Ship Is Going Down! (But you Live & Learn!)

 

dude seriously settle down im sorry if i offended you and i never called you a dick, but just on a side note so i can stop this stupid argument http://www.powerhouse411.com/playme....FL_06_V6_1.wmv

oh yea now they are running 11.3's on stock internals. Over 450rwhp at the moment. and uhh how much is that turbo kit...oh yea its 4800 bucks. http://powerhouse411.com/catalog/ind...products_id=51

so lets see..my v6 with every option possible cost me 21,900 plus the 4800....26,700 and hmm lets throw in another 300 for a real nice dyno tune and you have yourself a 550hp v6 mustang on stock internals. I'm sure some of you are understanding that my past, what...six posts have been apologizing for possibly offending you, but some of you obviously have to compensate for something.

To answer your question about the v6 drag cars some more, that is because of the v6 competition. Some of the strongest engines ever made are v6's, the dett's from the skylines and 2jz's from the supras come to mind, so it would cost alot more to make a v6 mustang as capable. I admit that and i cant see why you cant admit that it would cost more and be harder to make a 10 second fwd 4 cylinder car.

And once again the ONLY reason i made the statement about a fwd car getting into tens will be harder, is because the initial post was asking how he could make his cobalt as fast as his camaro and somebody else then mentioned getting into 10's so i was just trying to state the FACT that it will be more expensive and harder to do, i see that the way i put it may have been offensive, and it was not meant to be, that is why i repeatedly tried to apologize.

 

oh, don't mind me...