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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 01:07 PM
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clutch slip, belt slip, or something else?

hey all, yet another problem (maybe) that i want opinions on

just installed stage 2 last week. 2.8, and 60#s

everything went fine, she runs like a rape date, going through the gears smooth hitting between 15-17 psi probly.

over the last 2 days now, though, i've noticed, like if i whack it in mostly 2nd-3rd gear, the car is kind of acting like im getting wheelspin.

i'm pretty sure thats not the case, let me explain this phenominon

lets say im in 2nd gear going 30-40 mph and stomp on it. the rpms will climb, kind of hang out at 5000 rpms, maybe drop a little, then keep climbing, kind of like the car has to catch up with itself. same deal in 3rd to an extent. i really dont think the wheels are spinning. i mean sure its cold out but really?

im still hitting 15-17 psi, and when i get out of the car i'm not smelling clutch...

the belt seems tight, so idk is it another issue or am i just crazy? bout to go on lunch, maybe i'll take a quick vid to show yall.. and as always, thanks
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 01:13 PM
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Clutch!
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 01:17 PM
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nooooooooooooooooooo!!! even if i cant smell it? the clutch seems to operate fine... until this
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 01:23 PM
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not my video but this is kindof whats happening

Clutch slip 2 - YouTube
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 02:37 PM
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ok just went out on lunch, performed a few pulls. disclaimer: i was low on gas (totally forgot, usually never run it hard on low fuel) and the CEL is for running rich. only in one of these pulls did the 'slip' seem to really happen

Ss1 - YouTube

Ss1 - YouTube

this one has the slip ( i think)

Ss1 - YouTube

Ss1 - YouTube
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:00 PM
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n-e-1?
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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nooooooooooooooooooo!!! even if i cant smell it? the clutch seems to operate fine... until this
Im gonna say clutch man. You won't smell it unless its slipping a lot. The reason it's happening now and not before is because now you are making more powa now. Clutch can't hold anymore
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:40 PM
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just from your description, i can tell you it has something to do with your clutch.

i can almost guarantee you it is the clutch disk itself. due to the added power, the clutch can no longer hold it.

the hydraulics definitely arent the issue either since you have no troubles getting into gear.

it might be the pressure plate, but i'd think you would be getting some clutch chatter if that was the case. also you might get a strange noise when you push in the clutch pedal if that were the case.

get a new clutch. im about to tackle this job pretty soon.

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:45 PM
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Stock clutch gives up pretty quick once you add more power.

Mine was just fine until I actually started to drive on mine, and then it lasted about a 3 weeks before it started slipping.

Sean has done something like 4 clutch changes in Cobalts. Maybe he will give you a bundle discount for all the stuff you could have him do. haha.
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitnith
Stock clutch gives up pretty quick once you add more power.

Mine was just fine until I actually started to drive on mine, and then it lasted about a 3 weeks before it started slipping.

Sean has done something like 4 clutch changes in Cobalts. Maybe he will give you a bundle discount for all the stuff you could have him do. haha.
haha yea right?

i'm actually gonna but those seats from samy? his gf... gettin those next week. how much does a good performance clutch cost, ~$600?

thinkin i might ask sean about tuning when i get the seats for a lil discount hehe
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:54 PM
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GMPP clutch from crate engine depot will be all you need. Best bang for the buck hands down
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:58 PM
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GMPP clutch from crate engine depot will be all you need. Best bang for the buck hands down
thanks. can't seem to find it on there, any chance you can find the link for me?
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by riceburner
haha yea right?

i'm actually gonna but those seats from samy? his gf... gettin those next week. how much does a good performance clutch cost, ~$600?

thinkin i might ask sean about tuning when i get the seats for a lil discount hehe
Yeah, Sam is his gf. I know he has an Exedy Hypersingle for sale right now for around $600. That would hold anything you throw at it. They are around $1,000 new.

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thanks. can't seem to find it on there, any chance you can find the link for me?
Ecotec LSJ Clutch Upgrade Kit 19212712 - Crate Engine Depot

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:01 PM
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your awesome whitnith lol thanks. ~600... its a chin scratcher but a great deal! you say sean can install clutches? i could prob do it... but...
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:02 PM
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oh and that link... is that a whole new clutch or what does 'upgrade kit' mean? i use the stock one and replace thos eparts on it
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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your awesome whitnith lol thanks. ~600... its a chin scratcher but a great deal! you say sean can install clutches? i could prob do it... but...
He can indeed. And he just *loves* it when you camp out in the garage with him asking stupid questions. If you want to be alive afterwards, not recommended...

He also charges way less than any shop will charge you.

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oh and that link... is that a whole new clutch or what does 'upgrade kit' mean? i use the stock one and replace thos eparts on it
It's a whole new clutch. It's an upgrade from the stock clutch.

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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:08 PM
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That's it....4 holy crap I did like 4 in a day . Lol. Clutches are cake.
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:10 PM
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That's it....4 holy crap I did like 4 in a day . Lol. Clutches are cake.
Maybe his tunes don't kill clutches? Just sayin.
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:16 PM
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Lol..... A lot of these clutches that go boom have dynoed lol a lot are lsj and a lot are lnf.I keep a good ramp for boost.not the issue.its the fact my stock balts are making 300+ whp and 360+ ft lbs... (Stock just tune) and 22lbs.. lol yes I have proof. Lol. Clutches are a friction item so if it can't hold what's put to it then I am sorry...
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitnith
He can indeed. And he just *loves* it when you camp out in the garage with him asking stupid questions. If you want to be alive afterwards, not recommended...

He also charges way less than any shop will charge you.



It's a whole new clutch. It's an upgrade from the stock clutch.
cool. so maybe ill order that gmpp clutch (just dont have 600 bucks) and perhaps have him install it sometime. ill keep my mouth closed haha, guess i'll talk to him when i do the seat swap (if my car makes it till then, it was slipping bad on the way home now)

guess i shouldn't beat on it for a while
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Old Dec 8, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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cool. so maybe ill order that gmpp clutch (just dont have 600 bucks) and perhaps have him install it sometime. ill keep my mouth closed haha, guess i'll talk to him when i do the seat swap (if my car makes it till then, it was slipping bad on the way home now)

guess i shouldn't beat on it for a while
hah, yeah beating on it isn't recommended... It should be fine if you just putter around on it for awhile.

He won't be hurt if you don't buy his clutch. I just gave him a heads up about interested in doing the clutch, so just ask him when you do the seat swap.
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Old Dec 9, 2011 | 09:58 AM
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well got out of my car yesterday, smellin like clutch after the most ordinary drive i could muster. the wierd thing is it didn't seem like it was slipping at all, it was driving perfectly normal
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