it looks more to be like your paying for a head that has overkill parts in it and the jbp name not that people are to cheap or broke not everybody was born eith a silver spoon in their mouth like you victrory

john

 

Damn dude, that's harsh. What all do you know about his financial situation that lets you make a comment like that? I suspect some throwing down is about to occur...

 

I agree, that comment was uncalled for, some people work real hard for there money, and that gives them the right to spend it as they please.

 

W3rD!!!

 

Overkill parts? In terms of perfromance there is no such thing. If one were to "cheap" out, he might end up spending more replacing pieces that fail over and over. There is an old saying.."do it right the first time".

And silver spoon in his mouth? How do you know he is not going into debt up to his eyeballs or dipping into his savings or just plain takes home a really good paycheck?

Maybe Victory_Reds choice of words wasn't the best, but it isn't fair to judge anyone without knowing what that person is all about.

 

ouch!

 

*sigh*
AFR CNC ported 315cc heads for BBC complete, ready to bolt on, with up to 750 cam, for like 3500 bucks....
2l head for 3000....

hmmm yeaaah...hope their **** is made out of gold, and platinum for extra bling bling...it's ludicrous....

all the parts listed are concidered standard parts for any massaging of heads, there's nothing fency in them, yet 2 heads with those parts cost the same...eh...

 

I remember when Lingenfelter was the only game in town on LT1 stuff and his prices were crazy, not this crazy but still expensive. I bet LPE could do some pretty nasty Ecotec stuff, seeing as how they used to dominate the NHRA sport compact series racing with them. John was running high 7s when he crashed if I remember correctly.

 

It is called supply and demand.

 

thats true too... there's at least 20 to 40 cup races for SBC and BBC in Indianna alone! theres not a whole demand of drag teams are up to souping their with ECOTECs. parts are probably made in low numbers and therefore the price cant be reduced to make the product cheaper, which hits the end customer, us.

 

I have a question i heard from someone that the cobalt ss s/c is like a limited production car or that they dont make alot of them i am kinda wondering because i'v onley seen one and i live in dallas, well just wondering thanks

 

nothing to do with cylinder heads! have at you!!!!

 

Silver spoon?
I haven't seen these comments till now because I was at work at 6:30am then when I got home I finished pulling my engine so that I could ship it off the have my gold plated head installed with my platinum cams and titanium head bolts.
I work for my money and I am very good at what I do so I make good money. I don't drink\drug\smoke\party\shop\travel because I couldn't care less about those things. I spend the money I earn on my car because I can. I am 46, my kids are raised and moved out, my house is paid for and I get to finally indulge in a really fast car. If you can or can't it is your business not mine. I am sure you know where thats going.
As for my original comment I have been here long enough to know that a lot of negative comments get made just for the sake of bitching about something. This would include your comments about the silver spoon in my ass, I mean mouth.
LittleMT commented she was niether broke or cheap and she proves it by her actions (her SRT-4's) as well as the comment she made about paying to play. JBP's heads are for those who want to play. This means if we (I) want to play "NOW" then the choices are likely moreexpensive than if we play a year from now. Wait if you want. Again that is up to you. Me, I intend to play now and I have worked long and hard for the opportunity to both play as well as have surgery to remove that spoon from what ever oriffice you think it's in.
And just to set the record straight I will lose no sleep over your posts. Instead I will dream of my extremely fast Cobalt and I will be smiling all the way. Can you say the same?

 

haha old guys rock. two thumbs to you old guy rocking the really fast car.

 

agreed^^ enjoy the spoils you give yourself now that you can.

 

enjoy the bling bling head -sigh just givin ya $hit -

your "fastness" would be alot more with a diff car than a cobalt (oh no I'm dissing on our cars, I'm wearing a rain coat for all the **** I'm gonna get thrown at lol).
And not to start the v8 vs 4 fwd car war, but, in my (humble) opinion, if you want to go fast, a fwd powerplant is pure waist of time (for the sake of speed). I have a few friends that ditched their stage 3 SRT4 for a rwd V8 because they wanted to induldge in speed, for obvious reasons... now that said, there's different drums (and sticks) for everyone, so have fun!. To defend my statment of bling bling head, I (obviously) do not see the point of pushing past 300 fwd hp, since that comes with shitty traction, shitty over stear (aka unwanted lane changes lol) and yea, ZERRO capability for weight transfer were it counts... but that is my opinion, so take it with a grain a salt. All gear heads are cool in my book (even the ones on gopeds lol) so have fun bud!

Agreed on the LPE comment

 

When a person sees a well maintained 69 Camaro SS on the road it is expected to be fast. The Cobalt is expected to be quick. I love some of the older muscle cars but I watched my brother redo a 69 sport Satellite and every single piece of wiring had to be replaced. The whole car was stripped bare and rebuilt from the ground up. A friend on here has a 88 Mustang pushing 800hp, wiring gave him hassles as well. I don't want to do that.
I also like the fact that I will get reasonable gas mileage out of the Cobalt when I am not going insane (OK that might not be often we'll see) but a big block always burns lots.
I wish the Coalt was rwd but then again I am not going to mortgage the house to redesign the car.
The good thing is there won't likely be another Cobalt built like mine anywhere near me and I will have all the fun of showing up alot of big block cars. I won't beat them all but they will wonder what the hell is that car doing so close, it should have been far behind. That my friend will be priceless

 

You guys keep comparing the JBP head to small/big block Chevy heads...
Where do you THINK you are you going with it?????

First of all it's well known that performance costs on the SBC and BBC are some of the most cost effective ($/HP) out there due to the huge demand and abundance of parts.
Plain and simple BBC and SBC are the least expensive race parts out there... been that way for 50 years.

But dont forget we have a DOHC, which equates to 2x the Ferrea valves... 2 x Ferrea springs... 2 x titanium retainers... 2 x the valve pockets to port...
(Given there's 1/2 as many ports but twinned valve ports are often much more time consuming ie. labour)

So you cant really compare to 1 BBC head price wise.
Our ONE head has the exact same number expensive components as a PAIR of BBC or SBC heads!So if you add up the raw prices of ALL of the components the JBP includes, their pricing really isnt all that bad IMO
WopOnTour

 

Still overpriced... ive seen cosworth with better and theyve been doin it longer. But hey its your money, so if ya think your getting a deal im not gonna stand in your way.

 

I agree with that but in my mind I keep thinking there gotta be a better alternative somewhere out there... I mean c'mon it 's the US of ******* A for crying out loud. Where all the old school guys with 30+ years of experience in head work that became successful and have their own shops and want to help out the younger generations be able to afford something that they couldnt have when they were our age. But than again, I could just be venting. Well I admire you victory and quite frankly im a bit envious because you'll be one of the first to go this route. I wish you luck, as for me Im gonna see if I can find a better deal for the rest of us. But if I do find something I will let everyone know with a quickness including you. Its because I care, you guys have no idea how much I love this this ******* car. Maybe its because i never thought I'd be able to afford something like the ss. Oh **** I went off topic, well let us know how it goes.

 

I used the LS7 head for comparison, not one but two. This is a brand new for 06' engine, not a normal SBC. I also compared them to an Integra GSR VTEC head (exotic DOHC factor) and it's still not in the same ball park.

I guess a more accurate comparison would be Buschur's stage 3 DSM head. The same parts, same work and it's O-ringed for $1500. He makes over 700rwhp with it. The additional $1000+ must be the because we can factor.

 

If you read I wasnt even quoting your post.
Even so...
LS7 head 8-valves 8 springs 8 retainer/keeper sets, 8 valve pockets to port, 8 seats to cut/grind
LSJ head 16 valves, 16 springs, 16 retainer/keeper sts, 16 valve pockets to port, 16 seats to cut/grind
2 SBC heads = 1 LSJ head in parts and significant labour
That was my point
Wop

 

I've eaten plenty of 300fwhp cars, they are no where close, nor remotly keeping up by any imaginastion, even when given a 4 car head start and 8 cars behind me after that isn't "close"

--once more just givin ya $hit -- (although that ^^^ did really happen...with a Skittle (aka SRT4) )

but I do understand (and apriciate) what you are saying about having a "one off" cobalt in the area...it'll be stout!

and I understand also when you compare fuel mileage (hey I have great mileage with the BB I'm still in miles per gallon and no gallon per miles )

Wirering issues? naaaawwwww it couldn't be lol I have NO wirering issue on my camaro lol

nah man I understand but I do know as well that you'll want more and more power and then you'll reach the point where well, automatic lane changes will happen on teh down shift and scare the crap outta ya (especially when racing another car) and then you'll kinda have to stop there...my bud stoped at 390fwhp, car ran 12.3 (I think) and it broke most everytime, until he almost cliped the guy next to him on the street (the overstear issue of fwd). Parted the car the next day, put it back to almost stock, sold it, bought an LS1 car and ran 12.3 with headers and a converter...he is on the way to 10.9's with 1/2 the cost...and still wonder wtf he didn't do it sooner...oh and it was an SRT4, only way he could race was on a 50mph role, from the dig, the car couldn't hook (unless at the track with slicks on)...I still found his car prety insane tho...

 

SHEEZE!

 

This is not going to be a 300whp fwd car. Try 550 when all is said and done. Give it time and wait for the magazine articles