ok so some of u may have seen this come up time and time again so I think it be nice to get alot of the guys that have been around a while to get an answer on this for the newer guys that ask about modding. Keep in mind we are not talking about is it possible to run a setup without cooling mods what is being discussed, is it a waste of money to buy cooling mods.

Here is the last post I seen by someone that is a long time member.

This was in response to some people talking about getting cooling mods to run a 2.8 pulley, so what does everyone say? Do u think its a waste of money to get either a dual pass or some type of upgraded heat exchanger when running a 2.8 pulley? Remember these mods are meant to add in recovery so that ur iat2 goes back down to normal otherwise they dont go down and ur car will heat soak faster.

I personally believe that cooling mods are key to maintaining ur power unless u enjoy heat soaking, and iv seen countless thread where people where not running proper cooling mods for a setup and where having super high iat2s after just 1 pull.

 

I look at it like this, your deciding to mod your car. If you touch everything else such as mounts, intake, exhaust, stock tune, then no.

If you modify your tune, and or touch the pulley on the blower at all then yes.

1.) your protecting your investment
2.) potentially prolonging the life of the motor

if you want to ignore the above two then the answer is no.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head...

 

Hey, It is worth EVERY PENNY that You will EVER SPEND on. At the First time I thought EH I don't need it then I put in my first mods was Stage Kits. Just 42# with 2.9 pulley, The First thing I noticed my HE Filler Neck Antifreeze went up then burst out. I joined here on CobaltSS.Net trying to find all the answer that I am looking for. I was in doubt of my mind back n forth NEED IT!, EH DON'T NEED IT! I FED UP and went for it. When I was done with all the COOLING MODS, I noticed I got my GREATER POWER BACK! It is NOTICEABLE cause You will feel it RIGHT THERE after the COOLING MODS!

 

no brainer really, back when I had my SS(intake, full exhaust, HPT) I ran a friend a couple of times then ran other friend that I have toasted every time before and he took me. Heat soak suuuuucckkkkks! Granted he did up his boost but it was not enough to close the type of gap I would get him by. Had I had run him first it would of been different.

 

Water/Meth I noticed the most both cooling and power wise. Great product.

 

Witnessed a 2.8 pulley stage 2 install on a 05 ss/sc with NO cooling mods, and the car constantly pulled timing and overheated.

Cooling mods/retune, cars perfect and makes 250+ with its other mods.

 

Ok, How come ZZP upgraded their NEW Products Stealth HE ?

 

here's an idea sell all the cooling mods and bolt on a wet 50 shot like i did..
ultimate cooling mod...
i run my fuel through a chiller and soon to have a pre sc cooler..
all done with nos

 

the definiton of heat soak
Heat soak occurs when a component reaches temperature equilibrium with the gasses flowing through it.

so do we have a heat soak problem no why you ask the charge temp is always being cooled off

what dose a dual pass do it aids in a faster recovery will it keep charge temps down lower or help in slowing the rate at which they rise no will it lower cruise iat2 no
is a dual pass benifical for someone sure is if you are running a road course it will help greatly as your in and out of the pedal so it gives it time to cool things down before you get back on the gas
in a drag racing the dual pass has no beifit as after a pass you let the car sit and cool down

if you want to see a change in iat2 temps in how fast they rise there is only 3 things that will help this

water meth spraying pre blower will slow down iat2

the option b because it constantly bleeds air out of the system when you remove air you increase coolant to core contact which will remove heat

coolant capacity the more you have the longer it takes to heat it up

look at it like this you have 4 lam cores that each core is supposed to cool around 62.5hp ea so basicly the intercoooler system is designed to cool up to 250 hp (gmstg2) once you surpass that you are starting to over tax the the system but there are ways to stretch it farther how you start stretching its ability is increasing the capacity of the coolant system and increasing the efficancy of the heat exchanger and both of those can be done rather easy but not cheap
the best way is to use an ice tank if it is doable with your type of racing

 

Do u think the masses in this forum are really gonna run nitrous? its an awesome cooling and power mod but most of the forum is not gonna run it.

 

the tune did more for fixing it then anything else

capacity

 

All of this dictionary talk and still no answer to the question is cooling mods worthless? The only thing u really even talked about is how the cooling system is only meant to support 250hp but this thread aint about how much hp can the cooling system support, its about if adding more cooling mods are worth the money.

Also to clear things up a dual pass is useful for the street because as u said its useful going in and out the pedal something I do when logging my car or doing more then 1 roll race against a car. wow look at that it seems it is useful.

 

aparantly you dont comprehend very well and its not dictionary talk its from trying all that ****

 

kthxbai

I feel that iv made my point now

 

the point being your still clueless

 

Point being that ur wrong this time and you need to stop spreading bad info to new members about cooling mods.

 

its not my fault you cant put it all together

 

My car is 372hp im still on stock HE and dual pass and spacer

Dual pass and phenolic spacer!

 

Proof that he is clueless.

HE IS TUNED BY JAMES!!

 

i dont understand how this is even a question.

Cool air is More dense, the hotter the charge the more air you will need to create the same amount of power.

 

bingo... they wouldn't make cooling mods if they didn't help lol

 

ur tuned for e85 it is knock resistance that however is not what most of the people on this forum run, most are on pump gas and heat means knock. and ur running two cooling mods so I dont see ur point anyways.

 

i have had an lsj for over five years now, and never had anything better than stock cooling. at one point, i had a bad ic pump for months.

i bought all the cooling mods prior to installing a 2.8" pulley. after installing it, i was able to pull good timing, and even at 160* iat2, i did not have kr. so i sold the cooling mods for some extra cash.

i have seen a few knowledgeable lsj guys on this forum say that the cooling mods arent as necessary as the rest of the forum makes them seem. and a bunch of other people comparing their performance on the butt dyno. so until i see real proof, or test it out myself, im not going to spend money on cooling.

i dont know why you are asking this question op. i presented this idea to you months ago, and now you bring it up again.. for what gain? you arent going to take the mods off of your car, and some of us arent going to put them on. its not about who is right and who is wrong. everyone's situation is different.

 

its already put together if ur on pump gas heat is a killer and cooling mods are needed after pulling down.

god not this ******* retard again, I should of known he would come in here.