Good setup? y/n
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If DP were "down-pipe" Then you might have a point; But it's not.
Downpipes; or "b-pipes" Obviously have absolutely nothing to do with cooling the air coming into your engine.
And as I've stated about 500 times. 300 WHP is NOT WHAT I AM PLANNING ON GETTING WITH THAT SETUP.
It's what I want to get eventually...Yeah, sure. If that means replacing a supercharger/porting it out/internals..THEN FINE. Wonderful.
You seem to not understand the fact that I am not trying to build a 300 whp car with that list.
I am trying to get what I can, as reliably as I can, with the amount of $ I have to spare at this moment; while covering all/most aspects of reliability.
Stop implying I'm trying to build some form of a 300whp racecardailydriver.
AGAIN; this was the point of my post, not to say "Will these mods help me reliably get to 300 whp?" That was NEVER the question, stop implying that it is.
My end-goal has nothing to do with how I want to modify my car within the next couple years. I'll work with what I have right now, and build/change as I go.
I would also not run the meth at all times. What's the point if you are driving your car like a normal person? (not boosting to your max psi on every shift, and creating the unnecessary heat to begin with)
I am not building up to a 300 WHP setup at this moment, because it's not what I want. Plain and simple. Why would I attempt to build a 300whp, setup, or build towards it, when it's not what I want for my car atm?
I want to mod my car; and make it as reliable as possible within my current means. I'm not trying to build a racecar here...and that's what you can't seem to get over.
Just forget about my 300whp goal...because that seems to be stuck in your mind much more than it should be. It was more of a "dream" than something I am really building towards at this very moment.
JKennedy has the idea of my post, I'm trying to cover the basics for increasing general performance while keeping reliability. Not find out why my supercharger can't reach 300whp.
It's fine that it can't, or won't reliably. When it comes to the next step of modding, I might need to change some things. But that's 100% beside the point.
Downpipes; or "b-pipes" Obviously have absolutely nothing to do with cooling the air coming into your engine.
And as I've stated about 500 times. 300 WHP is NOT WHAT I AM PLANNING ON GETTING WITH THAT SETUP.
It's what I want to get eventually...Yeah, sure. If that means replacing a supercharger/porting it out/internals..THEN FINE. Wonderful.
You seem to not understand the fact that I am not trying to build a 300 whp car with that list.
I am trying to get what I can, as reliably as I can, with the amount of $ I have to spare at this moment; while covering all/most aspects of reliability.
Stop implying I'm trying to build some form of a 300whp racecardailydriver.
AGAIN; this was the point of my post, not to say "Will these mods help me reliably get to 300 whp?" That was NEVER the question, stop implying that it is.
My end-goal has nothing to do with how I want to modify my car within the next couple years. I'll work with what I have right now, and build/change as I go.
I would also not run the meth at all times. What's the point if you are driving your car like a normal person? (not boosting to your max psi on every shift, and creating the unnecessary heat to begin with)
I am not building up to a 300 WHP setup at this moment, because it's not what I want. Plain and simple. Why would I attempt to build a 300whp, setup, or build towards it, when it's not what I want for my car atm?
I want to mod my car; and make it as reliable as possible within my current means. I'm not trying to build a racecar here...and that's what you can't seem to get over.
Just forget about my 300whp goal...because that seems to be stuck in your mind much more than it should be. It was more of a "dream" than something I am really building towards at this very moment.
JKennedy has the idea of my post, I'm trying to cover the basics for increasing general performance while keeping reliability. Not find out why my supercharger can't reach 300whp.
It's fine that it can't, or won't reliably. When it comes to the next step of modding, I might need to change some things. But that's 100% beside the point.
The list of modifications that you have there is going to damage your engine and all of the supporting mods you have listed will just prolong the process. I know you don't want to change the compressor or internals right now, but that's where you should start if you think there might be a day where you would want 300WHP.
I'm not trying to rain on your party, I'm just trying to emphasize what I believe NJHK is getting at. He knows you don't mean you want to reach 300WHP with these mods; he's telling you that even porting the blower or going to a larger roots STILL will not be the best way to go.
Edit: BTW, if DP isn't downpipes what is it? Just curious.
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But yes, I should have been more specific there. I just assumed people wouldn't think that a part of your exhaust would have anything to do with cooling the air coming into your engine ;/
I guess the better question would be; what is a truly SAFE setup? or as safe as you can go? (keeping the stock charger/possibly ported/polished) and stock internals?
I should have better worded my post then.
I will reword it then.
What would be the SAFE limitations modding onto the stock charger/block?
These are things I do not know, as you have stated before; most people don't know how to properly mod the car (including myself, applied to this platform), and that was the general point of my post.
My end-goal aside; ^ would be my reworded question.
The list I had above, is what, applied to general car knowledge, I would do, mod-wise.
The answer I am looking for would be what needs to be modified on that list to fit into the above question.
Based on this platform, which I do not know the specifics of. NJHK, If I were to keep stock charger/internals, what would be my safe limitations at that point?
Pulling apart the engine, is unfortunately not an option at this point. I do not have the available downtime for that; which is why I can't go that route at this time.
But yes, I should have been more specific there. I just assumed people wouldn't think that a part of your exhaust would have anything to do with cooling the air coming into your engine ;/
I guess the better question would be; what is a truly SAFE setup? or as safe as you can go? (keeping the stock charger/possibly ported/polished) and stock internals?
I should have better worded my post then.
I will reword it then.
What would be the SAFE limitations modding onto the stock charger/block?
These are things I do not know, as you have stated before; most people don't know how to properly mod the car (including myself, applied to this platform), and that was the general point of my post.
My end-goal aside; ^ would be my reworded question.
The list I had above, is what, applied to general car knowledge, I would do, mod-wise.
The answer I am looking for would be what needs to be modified on that list to fit into the above question.
Based on this platform, which I do not know the specifics of. NJHK, If I were to keep stock charger/internals, what would be my safe limitations at that point?
Pulling apart the engine, is unfortunately not an option at this point. I do not have the available downtime for that; which is why I can't go that route at this time.
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Sadly Adam you are just wasting your time here, it looks like this guy will listen to someone like shortbus who said ignorant stuff like this "Enough with the piston # 4 **** gezz, one person blows a ringlanding on # 4 and everyone crys wolf. Its logic, it runs the most lean, furthest away from coolant, runs the hotest come on people, just buy new pistons. " Instead of listening to someone like you who actually knows what they are talking about and knows some theory behind engine building.
Honestly I think the 2.0 section is a waste of some really intelligent peoples time and effort these days.
Honestly I think the 2.0 section is a waste of some really intelligent peoples time and effort these days.
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j/k. Yeah NJHK does know what he's talking about for sure. I have had a few conversations with him and it's cool because there's no grey area with him...he has knowledge on a broad range.IMO, that is what you need when you modify a car; a general knowledge on a broad range. You don't need to sit there and stew on one thing such as a specific blower and what it can do, you need to learn about blowers in general. Then, when the time comes you will know how to read all situations and if need be get deeper into the specifics. This is how an effective technician works in a shop; wide ranging knowledge coupled with great research and application skills.
Sorry, that was a bit off topic. I just think that it's essential to modifying a car. I would hate bolting parts on a car not knowing what exactly is going on.
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I agree. Although with the 2.9 you probably should use 50s rather than 60s as the 60s without fuel rail modification are playing a part in cyl. #4 leaning out.
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from what i have seen there have been at least three guys crash and burn cause of #4 recently. Expect more. This is not a coincadence man. Be weary of #4 and realize that breaking 300whp with the m62 is likely not going to happen for you, and if it does it wont be for long. I'll say it once and i'll say it again. Turbo>centri>twin-screw>roots. BAM!
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If DP were "down-pipe" Then you might have a point; But it's not.
Downpipes; or "b-pipes" Obviously have absolutely nothing to do with cooling the air coming into your engine.
And as I've stated about 500 times. 300 WHP is NOT WHAT I AM PLANNING ON GETTING WITH THAT SETUP.
It's what I want to get eventually...Yeah, sure. If that means replacing a supercharger/porting it out/internals..THEN FINE. Wonderful.
You seem to not understand the fact that I am not trying to build a 300 whp car with that list.
I am trying to get what I can, as reliably as I can, with the amount of $ I have to spare at this moment; while covering all/most aspects of reliability.
Stop implying I'm trying to build some form of a 300whp racecardailydriver.
AGAIN; this was the point of my post, not to say "Will these mods help me reliably get to 300 whp?" That was NEVER the question, stop implying that it is.
My end-goal has nothing to do with how I want to modify my car within the next couple years. I'll work with what I have right now, and build/change as I go.
I would also not run the meth at all times. What's the point if you are driving your car like a normal person? (not boosting to your max psi on every shift, and creating the unnecessary heat to begin with)
I am not building up to a 300 WHP setup at this moment, because it's not what I want. Plain and simple. Why would I attempt to build a 300whp, setup, or build towards it, when it's not what I want for my car atm?
I want to mod my car; and make it as reliable as possible within my current means. I'm not trying to build a racecar here...and that's what you can't seem to get over.
Just forget about my 300whp goal...because that seems to be stuck in your mind much more than it should be. It was more of a "dream" than something I am really building towards at this very moment.
JKennedy has the idea of my post, I'm trying to cover the basics for increasing general performance while keeping reliability. Not find out why my supercharger can't reach 300whp.
It's fine that it can't, or won't reliably. When it comes to the next step of modding, I might need to change some things. But that's 100% beside the point.
Downpipes; or "b-pipes" Obviously have absolutely nothing to do with cooling the air coming into your engine.
And as I've stated about 500 times. 300 WHP is NOT WHAT I AM PLANNING ON GETTING WITH THAT SETUP.
It's what I want to get eventually...Yeah, sure. If that means replacing a supercharger/porting it out/internals..THEN FINE. Wonderful.
You seem to not understand the fact that I am not trying to build a 300 whp car with that list.
I am trying to get what I can, as reliably as I can, with the amount of $ I have to spare at this moment; while covering all/most aspects of reliability.
Stop implying I'm trying to build some form of a 300whp racecardailydriver.
AGAIN; this was the point of my post, not to say "Will these mods help me reliably get to 300 whp?" That was NEVER the question, stop implying that it is.
My end-goal has nothing to do with how I want to modify my car within the next couple years. I'll work with what I have right now, and build/change as I go.
I would also not run the meth at all times. What's the point if you are driving your car like a normal person? (not boosting to your max psi on every shift, and creating the unnecessary heat to begin with)
I am not building up to a 300 WHP setup at this moment, because it's not what I want. Plain and simple. Why would I attempt to build a 300whp, setup, or build towards it, when it's not what I want for my car atm?
I want to mod my car; and make it as reliable as possible within my current means. I'm not trying to build a racecar here...and that's what you can't seem to get over.
Just forget about my 300whp goal...because that seems to be stuck in your mind much more than it should be. It was more of a "dream" than something I am really building towards at this very moment.
JKennedy has the idea of my post, I'm trying to cover the basics for increasing general performance while keeping reliability. Not find out why my supercharger can't reach 300whp.
It's fine that it can't, or won't reliably. When it comes to the next step of modding, I might need to change some things. But that's 100% beside the point.
I'm saying what the **** is the point of modifying your car if it doesn't help you reach your end goal? Do you have money to waste like that where you can just try something out and then get rid of it later to spend thousands more later? If so, ignore what I said but I still feel it's dumb to go and spend all this money and it doesn't help you ultimately reach your power goal in mind AND still be reliable.
Like I said, do what you want. This is my last post to you. You evidentally know what you're doing and you making a thread here wasn't to see what people think or to hear other peoples opinions. You just made this thread to show what parts you're going to buy and some people to hold your hand and say "Yeah man that's super!" like Jkennedy has done.
Damn, you and that shift button j/k. Yeah NJHK does know what he's talking about for sure. I have had a few conversations with him and it's cool because there's no grey area with him...he has knowledge on a broad range.
IMO, that is what you need when you modify a car; a general knowledge on a broad range. You don't need to sit there and stew on one thing such as a specific blower and what it can do, you need to learn about blowers in general. Then, when the time comes you will know how to read all situations and if need be get deeper into the specifics. This is how an effective technician works in a shop; wide ranging knowledge coupled with great research and application skills.
Sorry, that was a bit off topic. I just think that it's essential to modifying a car. I would hate bolting parts on a car not knowing what exactly is going on.
j/k. Yeah NJHK does know what he's talking about for sure. I have had a few conversations with him and it's cool because there's no grey area with him...he has knowledge on a broad range.IMO, that is what you need when you modify a car; a general knowledge on a broad range. You don't need to sit there and stew on one thing such as a specific blower and what it can do, you need to learn about blowers in general. Then, when the time comes you will know how to read all situations and if need be get deeper into the specifics. This is how an effective technician works in a shop; wide ranging knowledge coupled with great research and application skills.
Sorry, that was a bit off topic. I just think that it's essential to modifying a car. I would hate bolting parts on a car not knowing what exactly is going on.
But it's evident that what I have to say doesn't matter. He's like the teen girls on Maury saying "I do what I want!"
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I'm with Adam...rather than spend the money on all that, I would save it and put it towards a blower/turbo swap and attain your goal A) more economically B) more reliably and C) with room for further improvement should you want it.
iridium,platnum,sirver, will detonate copper should be used with any power adder zex has a set of plugs that are the best ive tried yet other than that sounds like a low 13sec car
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