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08-31-2008, 09:47 PM
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All good ideas
I will see all good stuff. Well the TVS is 2200 alone, but I know it will be worth it. Simple bolt on is bad ass to. What will be the gains from the TVS alone???
08-31-2008, 09:52 PM
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08-31-2008, 09:53 PM
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Damn!!!
Ok guys thanks for the input. I got to think Over twincharging or tvs supercharger with mods. **** ZZP will even twin charge the TVS. Man thats tempting!!!
08-31-2008, 09:56 PM
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What you need to do is start reading everything on this site. Search under the 2.0LSJ sections and read. All the info is there and it should help you make a decsion. I would not purchase anythign unless i have read and fully understood it. Just a suggestion. Twincharging the TVS is stupid. Either one will produce more then enough hp then the drivetrain can handle.
08-31-2008, 09:58 PM
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In a twincharge setup the supercharger is barely used. It's used for a few seconds to spool up the turbo, and then is useless. So don't upgrade the supercharger for a twincharged setup. It's not worth it.
08-31-2008, 09:59 PM
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what the hell are you the corrector of the site.
Cause you will be just wasting your money you can use for other mods like ported head ect.
Cause you will be just wasting your money you can use for other mods like ported head ect.
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08-31-2008, 10:02 PM
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KillerBee - relax man. I was letting him know what it was called so he knew what to look into and order. If you say "by that thing that this guy sells" he doesn't know wtf you are talking about lol. He is obviously a no namer noob that needs some help. So I am feeling generous and helping the kid out.
Relax bro, it's nothing against your knowledge, I am sure you knew what it was called. <3.
XTC - nothing wrong with keeping your balt as the daily driver. Upgrade as you go, that's what I am doing mate. I am also getting ready to go with a power adder. Nitrous, TVS, Twincharged, Turbo, not sure yet, maybe nitrous and tvs, maybe twincharge and nos. Either way, you don't HAVE to have a spare care.
Relax bro, it's nothing against your knowledge, I am sure you knew what it was called. <3.
XTC - nothing wrong with keeping your balt as the daily driver. Upgrade as you go, that's what I am doing mate. I am also getting ready to go with a power adder. Nitrous, TVS, Twincharged, Turbo, not sure yet, maybe nitrous and tvs, maybe twincharge and nos. Either way, you don't HAVE to have a spare care.
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08-31-2008, 10:02 PM
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08-31-2008, 10:03 PM
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KillerBee - relax man. I was letting him know what it was called so he knew what to look into and order. If you say "by that thing that this guy sells" he doesn't know wtf you are talking about lol. He is obviously a no namer noob that needs some help. So I am feeling generous and helping the kid out.
Relax bro, it's nothing against your knowledge, I am sure you knew what it was called. <3.
XTC - nothing wrong with keeping your balt as the daily driver. Upgrade as you go, that's what I am doing mate. I am also getting ready to go with a power adder. Nitrous, TVS, Twincharged, Turbo, not sure yet, maybe nitrous and tvs, maybe twincharge and nos. Either way, you don't HAVE to have a spare care.
Relax bro, it's nothing against your knowledge, I am sure you knew what it was called. <3.
XTC - nothing wrong with keeping your balt as the daily driver. Upgrade as you go, that's what I am doing mate. I am also getting ready to go with a power adder. Nitrous, TVS, Twincharged, Turbo, not sure yet, maybe nitrous and tvs, maybe twincharge and nos. Either way, you don't HAVE to have a spare care.
08-31-2008, 10:05 PM
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...DO NOT BUY STAGE 2!! It's a waste of money, it is a MUCH better plan to build your own setup. Unless you plan on keeping your warranty. Then go stage 2. 
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Also, stage 2 cars have problems hanging with a lot of the modded turbo's.
Killerbee - Well knowing josh and sean pretty well. I think they would both appreciate there sponsor helping someone out on the forums with the most educated answer I could give them, to a certain extent. Having xtc go to josh or sean saying "I need that fuel thing you sell" he would be annoyed. Having xtc go to sean or josh saying "i would like to purchase a return style fuel system please", it would be a lot easier.
.Also, stage 2 cars have problems hanging with a lot of the modded turbo's.
Killerbee - Well knowing josh and sean pretty well. I think they would both appreciate there sponsor helping someone out on the forums with the most educated answer I could give them, to a certain extent. Having xtc go to josh or sean saying "I need that fuel thing you sell" he would be annoyed. Having xtc go to sean or josh saying "i would like to purchase a return style fuel system please", it would be a lot easier.
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08-31-2008, 10:07 PM
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...DO NOT BUY STAGE 2!! It's a waste of money, it is a MUCH better plan to build your own setup. Unless you plan on keeping your warranty. Then go stage 2. .
Also, stage 2 cars have problems hanging with a lot of the modded turbo's.
Killerbee - Well knowing josh and sean pretty well. I think they would both appreciate there sponsor helping someone out on the forums with the most educated answer I could give them, to a certain extent. Having xtc go to josh or sean saying "I need that fuel thing you sell" he would be annoyed. Having xtc go to sean or josh saying "i would like to purchase a return style fuel system please", it would be a lot easier.
.Also, stage 2 cars have problems hanging with a lot of the modded turbo's.
Killerbee - Well knowing josh and sean pretty well. I think they would both appreciate there sponsor helping someone out on the forums with the most educated answer I could give them, to a certain extent. Having xtc go to josh or sean saying "I need that fuel thing you sell" he would be annoyed. Having xtc go to sean or josh saying "i would like to purchase a return style fuel system please", it would be a lot easier.
08-31-2008, 10:11 PM
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wow, seriously relax. We are both here to help someone on the forums. I am not putting you down, I was just giving him the correct name of the part that they sell to help further everyone's knowledge.
You didn't say fuel thingy, I was teasing you some, seriously lighten up.
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If you need any help with your build, always feel free to pm me. My sponsor WWW.OTTPERFORMANCE.COM sells some great parts that you will definitely need!! Also TurboTechRacing.com is another amazing vendor for parts.
You didn't say fuel thingy, I was teasing you some, seriously lighten up.
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08-31-2008, 10:51 PM
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A guy from quebec is running them both at the same time, check the advanced mods section. He's running a 2.7 on the M62, plus a turbo,lol. He hit 24psi at just 2500rpm and still climbing, he shut er down beacuse he's still on stock internals for now. He was boosting 18psi with the s/c and had a 14.5psi spring in the wastegate, he's going down to stock pulley and 6 psi spring for now. That would be a sick way to go if you ask me, stock pulley, s/c doesnt work too hard, port the blower to open up airflow, once you get a built motor crank up the boost on the turbo... when you need more, pulley down a bit. So I guess its only zzp's setup that doesnt run them both at once, this guy in quebec's custom kit seems pretty sweet.
08-31-2008, 10:54 PM
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Yea, but this guy was talking about going TVS+Turbo for a twincharge setup. The m62 and turbo setup is great. The tvs+turbo setup would be a waste of money. The supercharger isn't used all that much, just to spool up the turbo.
There is a guy out in ohio that has the twincharged setup, theres a huge thread on it here. It's pretty amazing what the car can do.
There is a guy out in ohio that has the twincharged setup, theres a huge thread on it here. It's pretty amazing what the car can do.
08-31-2008, 10:57 PM
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What I mean is if your gonna run both the supercharger AND the turbo at the SAME TIME that a tvs might be beneficial even if its not required really unless your building some crazy setup for stupid amounts of power.
08-31-2008, 11:00 PM
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Running the tvs and a turbo for a twincharged setup is completely and utterly stupid in my opinion. The supercharger is only used for the first what 2-3 seconds? Why drop another 2500 dollars so something can be used for 2 seconds or so, and have a slight increase.
The twincharged setup using the m62+turbo has AMAZING outcomes and I don't think it needs to be changed. Up the boost, hope the motor can handle it.
I recommend everyone to stay with the m62 if they are going twincharged.
The twincharged setup using the m62+turbo has AMAZING outcomes and I don't think it needs to be changed. Up the boost, hope the motor can handle it.
I recommend everyone to stay with the m62 if they are going twincharged.
08-31-2008, 11:10 PM
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Couldnt it be setup so the sc is compressing the air thats allready compressed by the turbo? For example set the turbo to 13psi and runa stock pulley for 12psi on the sc and get 30psi boost? Anyways, your point is true, there would be basically no point in twincharging a tvs. I mean if someone builds a retarded motor and is making 40+psi on race gas then I could see the point, but thats not something very practical.
08-31-2008, 11:13 PM
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I mean anything is possible. Hell I know of a cobalt thats running 1400hp. Yes a 4cyl with 1400hp. With the way zzp has tuned there twincharged setup, price to performance its not worth using a tvs. The supercharger spools the turbo up, and can make a good solid 20psi right off that. You can only compress so much air, and only so much can be done ya know.
08-31-2008, 11:52 PM
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oh I know the sc doesnt do much except spool the turbo in zzp`s setup, I meant in a setup like the other guy made it would make a differnce, though not much unless under extreme boost
09-01-2008, 02:52 AM
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Cobalt SS/SC XTC_916
Ok guys here's what I would like my set up to be like.
Intake: Injen Cold Air Intake
Header: JBP Vortex Header
Down Pipe: JBP
Catback Exhaust: Vibrant 3in exhaust with 4in tip
Cam: ZZP Cam
Heat exchanger: ??? (Need Advice)
Hatrickstu's Cooling kit.
Meth: ??? (Need Advice)
Fuel Injectors: #60
Pulley: 2.5-2.8
Harrop TVS Supercharger 1.3L
Return Style Fuel System
PCM: (Need Advice)
Exedy: Stage 3 cluth and light weight flywheel
Axle
Need advice)
Well thats all I got for now. The more I learn the more I will plan. I want to produce at least 400 WHP with the TVS. If I stay with the M62 I will shot for 320WHP
Intake: Injen Cold Air Intake
Header: JBP Vortex Header
Down Pipe: JBP
Catback Exhaust: Vibrant 3in exhaust with 4in tip
Cam: ZZP Cam
Heat exchanger: ??? (Need Advice)
Hatrickstu's Cooling kit.
Meth: ??? (Need Advice)
Fuel Injectors: #60
Pulley: 2.5-2.8
Harrop TVS Supercharger 1.3L
Return Style Fuel System
PCM: (Need Advice)
Exedy: Stage 3 cluth and light weight flywheel
Axle
Need advice)Well thats all I got for now. The more I learn the more I will plan. I want to produce at least 400 WHP with the TVS. If I stay with the M62 I will shot for 320WHP